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So I was reading through the SW codex and found an interesting typo that I wonder if it was meant to be or not. In it when describing how the 20 primarchs were created, scattered and then found they put in the Emperor found all 20 Primarchs. Is this a typo like I suspect or are they actually trying to slip in the other 2 primarchs?

Pg. 9, Section: Horus Heresy, second sentence.

Sorry if this has been covered but I tried to look for it in the forums search and found nothing...not sure if I was entering in the proper context for the search.

Changed "legions" to Primarchs as it says in the codex.

All 20 legions were founded but two have been deleted from records. Apparently all 20 fought in the Heresy according to the 2nd edition Codex.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_unknown_legions

Howard A Treesong wrote:All 20 legions were founded but two have been deleted from records. Apparently all 20 fought in the Heresy according to the 2nd edition Codex.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_unknown_legions

thanks realized my typo.

In the codex though it says they found all 20 primarchs.

from my understanding the two were never found or written about, so there is no information about them. I think the writers did this so there can be one "for" chaos and one "for" space marines.

I figured that they fell to Chaos before the Heresy.

One chapter of lady marines and one chapter of furry marines...
The former abandoned the Emperor to work for Doc Thunder, the latter chases Cheese Elemental across the cold gulf of space for all time...

Nurglitch wrote:I figured that they fell to Chaos before the Heresy.

I figured they did as well...but I don't seem remember them ever actually writing down all 20 Primarchs were found and then not saying anything more. In a lot of the stories I have read about this the Emperor gave up after 18, I believe, or they were stricken from records.

This was a topic I brought up a month or two ago. In DoW, the Blood Ravens battle cry, "For the lost Primarch!" does hint at the possibility that they are one of the lost legions.

I like to believe that at least one of the lost legions was sent outside the known galaxy by the Emperor on a mission to retreive their lost primarch, but GW's kinda retconned that with this bit of fluff.

Perhaps they are referring to Liberace, Primarch of the Rainbow Warriors.

It would be intresting if it turned out that the two other legions just thought to hell with this and didnt fight for either side along the lines of the soul drinkers....

In one of the horus heresy novels, horus does visit the chamber where the primarchs are and somthing along the lines of " he could feel the untapped glories within knowing they would never come to pass" and it is hinted the emporer himself sends the capsules flying off into space.

I don't care if it's been retconned, I still like the idea that Sigmar is one of the lost primarchs.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:One chapter of lady marines and one chapter of furry marines...

The Dark Angels and Space Wolves weren't deleted from Imperial records.

Isn't there a bit in the Horus Heresy where someone asks Dorn about getting help from the second or eleventh legion and Dorn replies that those two legions are lost to them?

Lint wrote:I don't care if it's been retconned, I still like the idea that Sigmar is one of the lost primarchs.

+1

Yeah i always liked the Sigmar was a lost Primarch was kind of pissed at the retcon. Also, didnt wardances have shuricans or some weird crap long ago.

I noticed the Dorn and the Horus comments. Horus was the only time I saw them reference the Primarchs directly but didn't really imply they had never found them. So maybe they are changing the story some and instead of the two being lost they were "cleansed".

It's been my understanding that it was never GW canon that those two Primarchs had not been found. I was always under the impression from the time they made the first 20 legions canon that those two chapters had done something so horrendous that all records of those two chapters were wiped clean from the Imperium. And if you think about what happened during the Horus Heresy, you figure what the 2nd and 11th Legion had done must have been really bad for their records to be expunged, but the records of the other chapters who turned to chaos to remain.

I'm a bit unclear myself now. I assumed that chapters could only have been established with their Primarchs as they use them for the gene seed. Could the 2 'lost' chapters have existed but their Primarchs never found?

I'm pretty sure those lost 2 are the angry marines and pretty marines primarchs. :p

I read somewhere (don't remember where), that the capsule's of the two "lost" Primarchs were damaged and they died.
And also GW did this "lost" legions thing to enable the players to make a new chapter that wasn't a succesor to eg. the ultrasmurfs.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I'm a bit unclear myself now. I assumed that chapters could only have been established with their Primarchs as they use them for the gene seed. Could the 2 'lost' chapters have existed but their Primarchs never found?

The geneseed for each chapter was created by the Emperor in imitation of the lost Primarchs. The Primarchs don't actually carry geneseed, the geneseed is simply created from the remaining genetic material used to originally create the Primarchs.

In fact, the Legions were fighting with the Emperor long before any of the Primarchs were even discovered. Once found, the Primarchs were placed as the leaders of the legion founded upon their genetics.

Platuan4th wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:I'm a bit unclear myself now. I assumed that chapters could only have been established with their Primarchs as they use them for the gene seed. Could the 2 'lost' chapters have existed but their Primarchs never found?

The geneseed for each chapter was created by the Emperor in imitation of the lost Primarchs. The Primarchs don't actually carry geneseed, the geneseed is simply created from the remaining genetic material used to originally create the Primarchs.

In fact, the Legions were fighting with the Emperor long before any of the Primarchs were even discovered. Once found, the Primarchs were placed as the leaders of the legion founded upon their genetics.

This what I have read in the novels and what not as well. The chapters were created from the "scraps" of the stuff they used to create the primarchs. Each chapter had already been created and formed. The primarchs just needed to found and applied to their respective chapters.

tigerstein wrote:I read somewhere (don't remember where), that the capsule's of the two "lost" Primarchs were damaged and they died.
And also GW did this "lost" legions thing to enable the players to make a new chapter that wasn't a succesor to eg. the ultrasmurfs.

i seem to recall this as well. i also can't quote the source this info came from though.

Death By Monkeys wrote:It's been my understanding that it was never GW canon that those two Primarchs had not been found.

The exact opposite, in fact. As was mentioned up the top of the thread, the 2nd ed codex mentions that they were found and 'probably' fought on Horus' side during the Heresy, at least at the beginning of it.

I was always under the impression from the time they made the first 20 legions canon that those two chapters had done something so horrendous that all records of those two chapters were wiped clean from the Imperium. And if you think about what happened during the Horus Heresy, you figure what the 2nd and 11th Legion had done must have been really bad for their records to be expunged, but the records of the other chapters who turned to chaos to remain.

My impression was simply that records remain of the other Legions because they still exist. Deleting their records would be an act of foolishness.

Deleting all record of a completely destroyed foe, however, is a nice psychological way of completing his defeat... He's not only dead, but he's completely erased from human memory.

So the 'easiest' solution is simply that the other 2 Legions sided with Horus, were completely wiped out during the Heresy and were subsequently expunged from Imperial records. With the same fate presumably awaiting the other Traitor Legions if they can ever be completely destroyed.

It's been the case that all 20 were found for quite some time now.

With reference to the 2 missing ones...from the Lightning Tower HH short story..

tigerstein wrote:And also GW did this "lost" legions thing to enable the players to make a new chapter that wasn't a succesor to eg. the ultrasmurfs.

A lot of players have indeed used the absence of official fluff as an excuse to create one of the 'Lost' Legions, (as a result of which, there are an incredible number of 2nd and 11th Legions floating around out there... just one of the reasons I personally dislike it as a DIY Chapter background idea) but it's never been a stated goal of GW's for this to happen.

EDIT:happy now brook ?

Kyley wrote:*SPOILERS*


One thought....surely there is only one missing primarch, as the Alpha Leggion has two primarchs, either that or Alpharius was a bit cramped.

That's NOT how you hide spoilers.

Legion II Primarch: Deleted from Imperial Records
Legion V - Jaghatai Khan- White Scars Primarch: Disappeared into the Web Way
Legion VI - Leman Russ - Space Wolves: Disappeared into the Eye of Terror
Legion XVII - Vulkan - Salamanders Primarch: Last seen heading into the Eye of Terror
This is according to the Lexicanum web site.

One of the problems with 40K is that depending on the writer, the 40K myths and legends are prone to change slightly, from time to time. What hold "true" for a novel, doesn't always mesh with what is stated in a codex or Chapter Approved. Also, what is stated in a codex in one edition, may not hold true for the previous or the next.

One of the things that gets me is the Grey Knights (Chapter 666), a second founding chapter, which is thought to have the Emperor himself as the Primarch. But, since this has never been confirmed, I would assume that the Grey Knights would also be considered to have a missing primarch.

Deleting all record of a completely destroyed foe, however, is a nice psychological way of completing his defeat... He's not only dead, but he's completely erased from human memory.

It could also be a nice way to hide the fact that the mighty space marines can have an entire legion wiped out.....

Whose the primarch of the legion of the Dam?( There goes one of the missing Primarches, )