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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Haitians piled bodies along the devastated streets of their capital Wednesday after a powerful earthquake flattened the president's palace, the cathedral, hospitals, schools, the main prison and whole neighborhoods. Officials feared thousands — perhaps more than 100,000 — may have perished but there was no firm count.

Death was everywhere in Port-au-Prince. Bodies of tiny children were piled next to schools. Corpses of women lay on the street with stunned expressions frozen on their faces as flies began to gather. Bodies of men were covered with plastic tarps or cotton sheets.

President Rene Preval said he believes thousands were killed in Tuesday afternoon's magnitude-7.0 quake, and the scope of the destruction prompted other officials to give even higher estimates. Leading Sen. Youri Latortue told The Associated Press that 500,000 could be dead, although he acknowledged that nobody really knows.

"Parliament has collapsed. The tax office has collapsed. Schools have collapsed. Hospitals have collapsed," Preval told the Miami Herald. "There are a lot of schools that have a lot of dead people in them."

Even the main prison in the capital fell down, "and there are reports of escaped inmates," U.N. humanitarian spokeswoman Elisabeth Byrs said in Geneva.

The head of the U.N. peacekeeping mission was missing and the Roman Catholic archbishop of Port-au-Prince was dead.

"The cathedral, the archbishop's office, all the big churches, the seminaries have been reduced to rubble," Archbishop Bernardito Auza, the apostolic envoy to Haiti, told the Vatican news agency FIDES.

The parking lot of the Hotel Villa Creole was a triage center. People sat with injuries and growing infections by the side of rubble-strewn roads, hoping that doctors and aid would come.

The international Red Cross said a third of Haiti's 9 million people may need emergency aid and that it would take a day or two for a clear picture of the damage to emerge.

At first light Wednesday, a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter evacuated four critically injured U.S. Embassy staff to the hospital on the U.S. Naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the military has been detaining suspected terrorists.

President Barack Obama promised an all-out rescue and humanitarian effort, adding that the U.S. commitment to its hemispheric neighbor will be unwavering.

"We have to be there for them in their hour of need," Obama said.

A small contingent of U.S. ground troops could be on their way soon, although it was unclear whether they would be used for security operations or humanitarian efforts. Gen. Douglas Fraser, commander of the U.S. Southern Command, said roughly 2,000 Marines as part of an expeditionary unit might be deployed aboard a large-deck amphibious ship. Fraser said the ship could provide medical help.

Other nations — from Iceland to Venezuela — said they would start sending in aid workers and rescue teams. Cuba said its existing field hospitals in Haiti had already treated hundreds of victims. The United Nations said Port-au-Prince's main airport was "fully operational" and open to relief flights.

The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier, USS Carl Vinson, is under way and expected to arrive off the coast of Haiti Thursday. Additional U.S. Navy ships are under way to Haiti, a statement from the Southern Command said.

Aftershocks continued to rattle the capital of 2 million people as women covered in dust clawed out of debris, wailing. Stunned people wandered the streets holding hands. Thousands gathered in public squares to sing hymns.

U.N. humanitarian chief John Holmes said it was possible that the death toll "will be in the thousands."

"Initial reports suggest a high number of casualties and, of course, widespread damage but I don't have any figure that I can give you with any reliability of what the number of casualties will be," Holmes said.

People pulled bodies from collapsed homes, covering them with sheets by the side of the road. Passers-by lifted the sheets to see if loved ones were underneath. Outside a crumbled building, the bodies of five children and three adults lay in a pile.

The prominent died along with the poor: the body of Archbishop Joseph Serge Miot, 63, was found in the ruins of his office, said the Rev. Pierre Le Beller of the Saint Jacques Missionary Center in Landivisiau, France. He told The Associated Press by telephone that fellow missionaries in Haiti had told him they found Miot's body.

Preval told the Herald that Haiti's Senate president was among those trapped alive inside the Parliament building. Much of the National Palace pancaked on itself.

The international Red Cross and other aid groups announced plans for major relief operations in the Western Hemisphere's poorest country.

Many will have to help their own staff as well as stricken Haitians. Taiwan said its embassy was destroyed and the ambassador hospitalized. Spain said its embassy was badly damaged and France said its embassy also suffered damage.

Tens of thousands of people lost their homes as buildings that were flimsy and dangerous even under normal conditions collapsed. Nobody offered an estimate of the dead, but the numbers were clearly enormous.

"The hospitals cannot handle all these victims," said Dr. Louis-Gerard Gilles.

Medical experts say disasters such as an earthquake generally do not lead to new outbreaks of infectious diseases, but they do tend to worsen existing health problems.

Haiti's quake refugees likely will face an increased risk of dengue fever, malaria and measles — problems that plagued the impoverished country before, said Kimberley Shoaf, associate director of the UCLA Center for Public Health and Disasters.

Some of the biggest immediate health threats include respiratory disease from inhaling dust from collapsed buildings and diarrhea from drinking contaminated water.

With hospitals and clinics severely damaged, Haiti will also face risks of secondary infections. People seeking medical attention for broken bones and other injuries may not be able to get the help they need and may develop complications.

Dead bodies piled on the streets typically don't pose a public health risk. But for a country wracked by violence, seeing the dead will exact a psychological toll.

An American aid worker was trapped for about 10 hours under the rubble of her mission house before she was rescued by her husband, who told CBS' "Early Show" that he drove 100 miles (160 kilometers) to Port-au-Prince to find her. Frank Thorp said he dug for more than an hour to free his wife, Jillian, and a co-worker, from under about a foot of concrete.

An estimated 40,000-45,000 Americans live in Haiti, and the U.S. Embassy had no confirmed reports of deaths among its citizens. All but one American employed by the embassy have been accounted for, State Department officials said.

Even relatively wealthy neighborhoods were devastated.

An AP videographer saw a wrecked hospital where people screamed for help in Petionville, a hillside district that is home to many diplomats and wealthy Haitians as well as the poor.

At a destroyed four-story apartment building, a girl of about 16 stood atop a car, trying to see inside while several men pulled at a foot sticking from rubble. She said her family was inside.

"A school near here collapsed totally," Petionville resident Ken Michel said after surveying the damage. "We don't know if there were any children inside." He said many seemingly sturdy homes nearby were split apart.

The U.N.'s 9,000 peacekeepers in Haiti, many of whom are from Brazil, were distracted from aid efforts by their own tragedy: Many spent the night hunting for survivors in the ruins of their headquarters.

"It would appear that everyone who was in the building, including my friend Hedi Annabi, the United Nations' secretary-general's special envoy, and everyone with him and around him, are dead," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on RTL radio.

But U.N. peacekeeping chief Alain Le Roy would not confirm that Annabi was dead, saying he was among more than 100 people missing in its wrecked headquarters. He said only about 10 people had been pulled out, many of them badly injured. Fewer than five bodies had been removed, he said.

U.N. peacekeeping forces in Port-au-Prince are securing the airport, the port, main buildings and patrolling the streets, Le Roy said.

Brazil's army said at least 11 of its peacekeepers were killed, while Jordan's official news agency said three of its peacekeepers were killed. A state newspaper in China said eight Chinese peacekeepers were known dead and 10 were missing — though officials later said the information was not confirmed.

The quake struck at 4:53 p.m., and was centered 10 miles (15 kilometers) west of Port-au-Prince at a depth of only 5 miles (8 kilometers), the U.S. Geological Survey said. USGS geophysicist Kristin Marano called it the strongest earthquake since 1770 in what is now Haiti.

Video obtained by the AP showed a huge dust cloud rising over Port-au-Prince shortly after the quake as buildings collapsed.

Most Haitians are desperately poor, and after years of political instability the country has no real construction standards. In November 2008, following the collapse of a school in Petionville, the mayor of Port-au-Prince estimated about 60 percent of buildings were shoddily built and unsafe normally.

The quake was felt in the Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti, and in eastern Cuba, but no major damage was reported in either place.

With electricity out in many places and phone service erratic, it was nearly impossible for Haitian or foreign officials to get full details of the devastation.

"Everybody is just totally, totally freaked out and shaken," said Henry Bahn, a U.S. Department of Agriculture official in Port-au-Prince. "The sky is just gray with dust."

Edwidge Danticat, an award-winning Haitian-American author was unable to contact relatives in Haiti. She sat with family and friends at her home in Miami, looking for news on the Internet and watching TV news reports.

"You want to go there, but you just have to wait," she said. "Life is already so fragile in Haiti, and to have this on such a massive scale, it's unimaginable how the country will be able to recover from this."

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Associated Press contributors to this story: videographer Pierre Richard Luxama in Port-au-Prince; and writers David Koop and Olga R. Rodriguez in Mexico City; David McFadden and Danica Coto in San Juan, Puerto Rico; Matthew Lee and Julie Pace in Washington; Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations; Tamara Lush in Tampa, Fla.; and Jennifer Kay and Christine Armario in Miami.

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That is truly terrible. Well done to the US for sending troops so quickly to help out.

   
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To put this in perspective, if 100,000 people are killed, 1% of Haitian citizens will have been killed in the quake.

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Horrible really. Stuff like this always seems to hit those who already have it quite bad. But well done by the US to send aid so fast.

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My thoughts go out to all of those affected.

I know that there are rescue teams en-route from the UK, so fingers crossed they will arrive in time to help those who are still trapped.

Hopefuly with so much global media attention, this will shine a light on the underlying problems this country has and will lead to some much needed re-generation.

One of the few positives to come out of the Boxing day tsunami a few years back, was that the worst effected areas were completely re-built, leading to an improved quality of life for some of the poorest people on the planet, I hope the same happens for the people of Haiti.

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dogma wrote:To put this in perspective, if 100,000 people are killed, 1% of Haitian citizens will have been killed in the quake.


Oh, that's ok then. Lets move this news story into one of the news nugget slots between sport and weather.

   
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Or he's saying, every one in every hundred Haitians might have died in the quakes.

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It's terrible that this has happened, but it's also good to see countries responding to the disaster so quickly.

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whatwhat wrote:
Oh, that's ok then. Lets move this news story into one of the news nugget slots between sport and weather.


1% is a significant measure of any population. When we discuss mass tragedies we are generally dealing with significantly less than .01%.

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So more than just the ring of fire is acting up now. What's next, the Canary Islands?

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Thats a hell of a quake, haiti is going to have a tough time recovering from this. Thats major infrastructural damage.

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Most likely whole sections of Port-Au-Prince will be abandoned.

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Are they able to keep people supplied with food and water at the moment? I can't even begin to imagine how much damage has been done to transportation in general.

I hope that the support we send, can help out enough. 2000 marines is a hefty number of soldiers, not that the situation doesn't merit it.


 
   
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We're dealing with it at work. No private companies can even get air ambulances in yet. Bad, bad situation. At least it's not 14 degrees Fahrenheit down there, like it is in my neck of the woods. But water is a major issue.

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Leave it to Pat Robertson to stick foot in mouth

"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil.
They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'Ok it’s a deal.'
And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said. CBS News

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generalgrog wrote:Leave it to Pat Robertson to stick foot in mouth

"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil.
They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'Ok it’s a deal.'
And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said. CBS News

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Why would cbs give him a podium? And why hasn't he been beaten to a pulp yet?

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generalgrog wrote:Leave it to Pat Robertson to stick foot in mouth

"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil.
They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'Ok it’s a deal.'
And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said. CBS News

GG


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This is something that will crush Haiti beyond their already crushed existence, and hopefully as a country than can come out stronger than before. Very tragic nonetheless.

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Lets leave the raving loons out of this shall we? If you want to discuss Pat Robertson or other nuts you're welcome to do so in a different thread. Thanks.

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Unfortunately, this will probably not do anything to help their economy, since the whole world's economy is pretty much in the crapper still. Hopefully this year's hurricane season will not be so bad, so they will have time to rebuild whatever they can.

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I think we should send the NG to Haiti. Leave the active army and navy and air force for the afghans.

That's the problem I have with Iraq and Afghan and Bosnia. The National Guard is supposed to be last resort, not first wave.

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Yeah... Nation Guard First wave?

Uh huh.

Is that why I never once saw a guardsman when I was footslogging around during the Invasion of Iraq?

There were only a very small handful deployed during the "First wave" timeframe, and NONE of those were COMBAT UNITS. They were rear detachments full of non-combat personell.

Plus its time the "weekend warrior" gets off his 4th point of contact and earns that paycheck he/she has been sapping from Uncle Sam for decades now.



   
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jp400 wrote:Yeah... Nation Guard First wave?

Uh huh.

Is that why I never once saw a guardsman when I was footslogging around during the Invasion of Iraq?

There were only a very small handful deployed during the "First wave" timeframe, and NONE of those were COMBAT UNITS. They were rear detachments full of non-combat personell.

Plus its time the "weekend warrior" gets off his 4th point of contact and earns that paycheck he/she has been sapping from Uncle Sam for decades now.


The "One weekend a month, two weeks a year" slogan has lost most of its relevance since the Iraq War, when nearly 28% of total US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan at the end of 2007 consisted of mobilized personnel of the National Guard and other Reserve components.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States

You sure you didn't just mistake them for regulars?

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jp400 wrote:Yeah... Nation Guard First wave?

Uh huh.

Is that why I never once saw a guardsman when I was footslogging around during the Invasion of Iraq?

There were only a very small handful deployed during the "First wave" timeframe, and NONE of those were COMBAT UNITS. They were rear detachments full of non-combat personell.

Plus its time the "weekend warrior" gets off his 4th point of contact and earns that paycheck he/she has been sapping from Uncle Sam for decades now.


The "One weekend a month, two weeks a year" slogan has lost most of its relevance since the Iraq War, when nearly 28% of total US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan at the end of 2007 consisted of mobilized personnel of the National Guard and other Reserve components.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States

You sure you didn't just mistake them for regulars?


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I think Fateweaver was using "first wave" as a turn of phrase keying off the "last resort" bit that came before it, not saying that they were the fellas that were actually first into Iraq, just that these days more of them are seeing active duty in warzones abroad than used to.

At least, that's what I got out at it.
I'd have to agree that from my limited knowledge I'd think the NG would be better for disaster relief than combat troops- not because the combat troops would be bad at it, but because they'd probably be better used in the combat zone.

And of course I don't mean to say that NG can't fight either, just assuming full time soldiers get more training and are therefore better at it.

It's great that people are being sent in though. Makes me wish we (as in the Irish) had a well developed enough military to do stuff like that.

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No. Although I used to work with a girl who went to Haiti a couple of times to help out and do charity work, and her descriptions scared the absolute gak out of me.

   
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I think Fateweaver was using "first wave" as a turn of phrase keying off the "last resort" bit that came before it, not saying that they were the fellas that were actually first into Iraq, just that these days more of them are seeing active duty in warzones abroad than used to.


That is what I took it to mean. I thought jp400 was currently deployed.


Lord a mercy, any of you ever BEEN to Port-Au-Prince?


I have not, and I fear now I never will short of volunteer work bringing me there.

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Da Boss wrote:No. Although I used to work with a girl who went to Haiti a couple of times to help out and do charity work, and her descriptions scared the absolute gak out of me.


I've worked with people from Haiti, and they said no way in hell would they ever go back. They would go to American prison first. It's that bad.

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Its great the US is responding more wasted tax dollars. I feel so warm and fuzzy over it.

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