Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, those were examples a GW writter pointed out of some ways for Lucius to die for real this time promise! If he gets obliterated with some indirect damage he just stays death. Of course that doesn't happen because that would suck for a character.

Even then I assume Slaanesh could just cheat and reform him anyway Chaos gods don;t need to play by the rules if its not to their liking.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, those were examples a GW writter pointed out of some ways for Lucius to die for real this time promise! If he gets obliterated with some indirect damage he just stays death. Of course that doesn't happen because that would suck for a character.

Even then I assume Slaanesh could just cheat and reform him anyway Chaos gods don;t need to play by the rules if its not to their liking.

Friendly reminder that Lucius has indeed died from a landmine at one point, but was able to regrow inside the factorum worker who did made the mine, because he was the one person in the history of mankind to take pride in menial work. Lucius would be gone if that guy didn't take such pride in what he did. (Probably not, but still)

But, in recent lore, GW has made it clear Lucius' immortality is starting to break. The voices in the armor are becoming stronger and it's harder and harder for him to come back from the grave every time. Lucius may eventually be killed. Just not in the foreseeable future.

Regarding the Bile-face, I think if you trim down the nose at the sides, so it no longer looks like the prosthetic Ian Mckellan wore for the LOTR films, then build it back up to look more pointed and hawk-like and I think it will look much better.

I'm not a particularly talented sculptor, but I want to have a crack at that. If that fails, head-swap.

That face is entirely necessary. He's rocking that ratio, so you need something to direct your mind back to the game, and off his bodacious bod.

It's a weird lookin' face. That's all I say. Rest of the mini could be ace.

People uncertain about power armour not fitting to the wearer, isn’t Arteficer armour a thing? Dante’s is sculpted like muscle and shapes differently.
Not to mention this is a tabletop battle game with toys that are meant to look cool and characterful over any kind of realistic laws.

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, those were examples a GW writter pointed out of some ways for Lucius to die for real this time promise! If he gets obliterated with some indirect damage he just stays death. Of course that doesn't happen because that would suck for a character.

Even then I assume Slaanesh could just cheat and reform him anyway Chaos gods don;t need to play by the rules if its not to their liking.

Friendly reminder that Lucius has indeed died from a landmine at one point, but was able to regrow inside the factorum worker who did made the mine, because he was the one person in the history of mankind to take pride in menial work. Lucius would be gone if that guy didn't take such pride in what he did. (Probably not, but still)

But, in recent lore, GW has made it clear Lucius' immortality is starting to break. The voices in the armor are becoming stronger and it's harder and harder for him to come back from the grave every time. Lucius may eventually be killed. Just not in the foreseeable future.

Lucis being killed by a necron warrior would be a "permadeath" but yeah slaaanish can just cheat

I don't know when it was written, but necron warriors do take pleasure, even the ones that technically shouldn't. Like the one that stomped on a Cadian's leg who had damaged him with a plasma gun.

Or that Duelist Necron that killed Lucius that one time.

An alternative head sculpt would be cool, and sorta fluffy... but his Clone bodies start to deteriorate and age quite rapidly.

I enjoyed the Primogenitor books quite well. Hopefully we get some Beastmen to add to Biles retinue.

never liked him as a concept anyway, and that face is just reinforcing my dislike.

Sotahullu wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
I've never thought Bile would be dumb enough to not wear a helmet on the battlefield anyway

He does though. He's described as wearing a helmet multiple times in the novels, though it is never described in its appearance. I always imagined it to look something like a surgeon's mask, with various optical arrays over it, a bit like the GK Termie Apothecary helmet.

Yes, that is what I was saying. I am saying he is smart enough to wear a helmet (and thus not dumb enough to not wear one).

Does a helmet really matter? He can't die without an incredible amount of effort. Hell, it's easier to kill Lucius.

I wounldn't use Lucius as a example.

I would. I didn't pick him at random. Lucius is killed by any landmine, bombardment or slippery rocks he gets too close to. To kill Fabius you need to kill him, the Apothecaries in the Consortium,his New Men and destroy his ship and labs. Plus if he gets desperate Fabius can send Primarch clones at you.

Plenty of guys can die from landmine, bombardment or slippery rocks, not just Lucius. If space marine can die from those things anyway.

Main problem is actually staying dead.

I'd actually enjoy seeing a story where a lump of rock kills Lucius and it's the only rock with a spark of sentience in the galaxy (taking silicon-based pleasure in rolling on top of people after being dislodged by artillery) and then it starts to turn into Lucius, except.... he's stuck:

"Tionis of the Iron Hands company-clan Vurgaan, stalked around the cliff, he knew he'd seen one of the traitorous sons of Fulgrim dueling his brothers here. During his approach, an explosion had revealed the location of the conflict in the dusk-light and his pace had quickened. Upon arrival he saw the carnage that had been wrought upon his fellow astartes.

Bodies were strewn about the area, around 7 by his estimate, though the missing limbs and various other body parts made this a challenge. He swore under his breath and his personal oath of vengeance against the Emperor's Children was renewed ten-fold.

As he made to continue his pursuit, he noticed a strange object that seemed out of place, even amongst such a visceral scene. It was a large boulder, about the size of an astartes, though still an uneven spherical shape.
If he hadn't been facing this direction he may not have noticed it. Tionis approached and, as he got closer, he saw what had caught his eye: the rock appeared to have a strange protrusion on this side of it's surface. He also noticed a faint splash of blood underneath the bottom of the boulder and what looked like a squashed finger stuck out of one side.

He stopped, blinking in confusion inside his helmet. The rock had a face, ugly and scarred, but still a face. It leered, as best as a rock could, with an expression of open-mouthed shock and frustration on its craggy features.

"Gnuh.." mumbled the rock.

Tionis tensed in surprise and slowly removed his helmet. He must have been mistaken, but 'did that rock just talk?' he thought to himself.

"Gnuh" repeated the rock.

Tionis laid his bare ear onto the rock, it was warm to the touch.

This time when the rock spoke he heard it's words more clearly: '..ck....you'.

Tionis straightened up, slightly annoyed. After facing the daemonic incursions on Salvos VI, talking rocks barely even registered as an interesting aside. Still, he felt that he hadn't deserved this kind of abuse, least of all from an overly-embellished lawn-ornement.

He regarded it for a long moment and then drew his power knife. He had been too distracted by it's appearance to notice that the rock was poorly balanced near the edge of the cliff.

He extended the knife and gave the boulder the slightest of pushes. That was all it needed.

As it started to pick up momentum, it's strange noises increased in earnest.

"GNUH!" it cried as it started to move.

Tionis shrugged in his armour and watched it roll away.....'

Unfortunately for me, Lucius only surviving is due to crazy amounts of plot armour (and before people pipe up, he's not the only one!) it's just the way he does come back is both laughably easy and such a "Gotcha!" it's borderline parody.

If Lucius gets killed by a Tyranid or Necron, game over. Tyranid only have 1 setting - kill and don't feel joy, while necrons have no feelings anyway (I think!). It would have been better if Slaanesh made him a perpetual (like Vulcan) but each time he resurrects his armour constantly reminds him of his defeats, and only is silenced through combat, forcing more defeats in an infinite loop.

Grimm, but not half as stupid as "I die but then if you enjoy killing me I become you!" which as soon as I read it I immediately dropped IQ points from the dumb I just read.

 Dr. Mills wrote:

Grimm, but not half as stupid as "I die but then if you enjoy killing me I become you!" which as soon as I read it I immediately dropped IQ points from the dumb I just read.

Before even, since you got his curse backwards.

JSG wrote:

 Dr. Mills wrote:

Grimm, but not half as stupid as "I die but then if you enjoy killing me I become you!" which as soon as I read it I immediately dropped IQ points from the dumb I just read.

Before even, since you got his curse backwards.

Also, someone really should look up how urges work.

ChrisB wrote:
Haven't seen anyone post this, Fabius?

My very first thought on seeing that face:

"Death is but a doorway, time is but a window, I'll be back." - Fabius Bile... probably.

I thought of the judge from Nothing but trouble when I saw that picture of Fabius.

Something?

Yes yes we know. Someone found stuff from the GW instagram.

The preview's supposed to be starting soon-ish. Just chill out, there's a whole thread with what you just posted.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes yes we know. Someone found stuff from the GW instagram.

The preview's supposed to be starting soon-ish. Just chill out, there's a whole thread with what you just posted.

What an unnecessarily weird and long-winded way to write "That's in another thread".

JWBS wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes yes we know. Someone found stuff from the GW instagram.

The preview's supposed to be starting soon-ish. Just chill out, there's a whole thread with what you just posted.

What an unnecessarily weird and long-winded way to write "That's in another thread".

And it’s still relevant here.

Fabius Bile is but we've had that picture for at least two days now.

The first item is Lord of the Rings(different thread), the second is Horus Heresy(different thread), Fabius Bile is the third, and the last is AoS(different thread).

 Kanluwen wrote:
Fabius Bile is but we've had that picture for at least two days now.

The first item is Lord of the Rings(different thread), the second is Horus Heresy(different thread), Fabius Bile is the third, and the last is AoS(different thread).

You don’t know that this apparent Lion might get 40K rules.

It's for the Horus Heresy, from Forge World.

Maybe he'd get 40k rules but...

It’s possible, so in a thread about rumors and and things that may or may not happen, it’s entirely relevant.

It's got nothing to do with the Psychic Awakening though. Which is what this thread is for.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's got nothing to do with the Psychic Awakening though. Which is what this thread is for.

How do you know the Lion isn’t a surprise psychic Awakening throw-in? Are you claiming to know the future?

Because it's a Forge World piece for the Horus Heresy, not a GW proper piece?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Because it's a Forge World piece for the Horus Heresy, not a GW proper piece?

Have they shown the kit yet? Or talked about it yet?

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Because it's a Forge World piece for the Horus Heresy, not a GW proper piece?

Have they shown the kit yet? Or talked about it yet?

As much as it pains me to agree with Kan on something, it is clearly a FW mini...