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Talked to a games -workshop rep and asked about any new Imperial guard models.He told me and dont hate me if its not true that GW is going to stop making special species of guard (ex.Tallarn,Steel legion,Vostyran,etc) in metal and start making the in plastic so you can have more of a variety of converting options

I find it impossoble to believe this.

1) It wont have a large sales , it wont be worth it for GW to produce plastic kits of them. Unless they are priced like the new Bestigors.

2) Thats what FW is for.

as i said dont hate me if its not true its what he told me and I myself didnt think it was all very true but i was looking to see if anyone has heard things similar

And I do agree they should leave some of that stuff to Forge world

Sad but true.

LunaHound wrote:I find it impossoble to believe this.

1) It wont have a large sales , it wont be worth it for GW to produce plastic kits of them. Unless they are priced like the new Bestigors.

2) Thats what FW is for.

Really?

It wouldn't surpirse me at all!

They'll leave the 'variant' guard to FW and go fully plastic with Cadian and Catachan.

I can see it happening.

Maybe.

Double tech5 wrote:Talked to a games -workshop rep and asked about any new Imperial guard models.He told me and dont hate me if its not true that GW is going to stop making special species of guard (ex.Tallarn,Steel legion,Vostyran,etc) in metal and start making the in plastic so you can have more of a variety of converting options

Strictly speaking he's not lying, there was a comment in this forum some months ago that GW would like to see all the regiments in plastic. However no one here has seen or heard any rumors of that happening at all.

So if you want Tallarn etc you'll still be paying $1 a point.

Hmm , here is some additional reasons that i was thinking:

Cadians are famous fluff wise as the Imperium that can hold Chaos back from Cadia gate.
They also represent your generic sci fi flak armor sculpts.
Catachan , closely tied with Tyranids , they fill the generic human look hence Vietnam.

If they do come up with add on kits , it could be something like...
Praetorian / Mordian guards , new torso ( fts both factions ) , new head ( easily done eg space wolf pack ) , new arms ( fits both factions )

Forgeworld looked like they were going to support Tallarns, they made heavy weapons teams, a sentinel, an equipment set, a sniper squad, and those uncool roughriders. Then they sort of stopped. On the other hand, they have had success with doing the Elysians and the Kreig models were a big hit. I would like to see them (or perhaps Maxmini or Microart studio) do conversion parts for Tallarn and Mordian, Maybe Preatorians, or something original. Conversion parts could maybe be priced within the realm of feasible, building a FW army is just too expensive.
I think that what the rep probably meant was that there are long term plans for makeing everything plastic, and get away from metal all together. That isn't surpriseing, but metal models won't go away overnight, it will be years out, and it won't just be IG, it will probably be all their product lines.

One of the designers stated last year that this was something they wanted to do, but they were talking long-term. It was in the same bucket as doing the Chaos Legions. They want to do it, they have it in the `ideas pool', but there are higher priorities that need addressing first.

Non-FW Kriegers would be absolutely great, I'd actually play Guard.

I thought Valhallans were up on the plastics list first.

More Plastic Guard have been a hot rumor item for something like a decade... (Yes, they got Cadians in that time... And the slightly-upgraded Catachans.)

I don't see why they couldn't do it, each regiment only needs three new plastic kits (troopers, weapon teams and a command squad) plus a set of Black Templars style upgrade bits for doing vehicles/special figures. Chuck in a few metal characters and it's no more or less work then any big army release.

simply cause it will cost money and msot GW stores don't have the space for the additional unit it would need. They could however do great coat units which woudl have steel legion, vallhalans and Voystrans on.

mordians and Preatorians coudl be the same boxes as well. the issue with thsoe is very few player woudl want to play as them or in the preatorians case even know abou them.

Tallarn are dififcult as well as they'd be the only possible regiments for that sprue....

i think before people get excited abot this subject they really need to think about in depth how it is likely GW would do it and how it woudl fit into the GW sales model and stores....

OFC they could always make the space by scrapping LOTR but meh

Guard is unique in that since 2nd edition GW has had multiple incompatible model ranges for the same army.

Orks, is Orks, is Orks. Just paint 'em different colors. Marines is Marines is Marines unless they're Grey, or Green, or Black or Red in but generally any Marine can be from any chapter.

But since those long-gone days of the Imperial Army GW has put out a dozen different IG ranges that need support. Unless IG sales start to approach Marine sales I really don't see them ever putting out another plastic regiment (even though the current ones are poo).

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:simply cause it will cost money and msot GW stores don't have the space for the additional unit it would need. They could however do great coat units which woudl have steel legion, vallhalans and Voystrans on.

mordians and Preatorians coudl be the same boxes as well. the issue with thsoe is very few player woudl want to play as them or in the preatorians case even know abou them.

Tallarn are dififcult as well as they'd be the only possible regiments for that sprue....

i think before people get excited abot this subject they really need to think about in depth how it is likely GW would do it and how it woudl fit into the GW sales model and stores....

OFC they could always make the space by scrapping LOTR but meh

Makes more sense to scrap Fantasy Warhammer since it takes up more room and sells less that LotR. Be nice to have some more plastic Guard choices in plastic.

Umm, actually not true Temprus. Warhammer Fantasy sells better in the UK and Europe than 40K.

There were some greens of Tallarn models a little while ago, seemingly with the intent of being plastic kits. Word is that they were just test sculpts though.

Brother SRM wrote:There were some greens of Tallarn models a little while ago, seemingly with the intent of being plastic kits. Word is that they were just test sculpts though.

I doubt those would be plastics. Much more likely to be a "collectors" release... Esp since one of the Tallarn was armed with a flamer which was conspicuously missing from the old Tallarn line.

Either way, though, I hope GW releases them. My (sadly currently unpainted) Tallarn army can always use new models...

Vale,

JohnS

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Guard is unique in that since 2nd edition GW has had multiple incompatible model ranges for the same army.

Orks, is Orks, is Orks. Just paint 'em different colors. Marines is Marines is Marines unless they're Grey, or Green, or Black or Red in but generally any Marine can be from any chapter.

But since those long-gone days of the Imperial Army GW has put out a dozen different IG ranges that need support. Unless IG sales start to approach Marine sales I really don't see them ever putting out another plastic regiment (even though the current ones are poo).

Well that's a good reason to do it then, they could 'refresh' guard every couple of years without needing a new codex just by releasing a set of models for a new regiment in plastic and retiring the old ones to direct only or just cutiing back on shop held stock. I don't think they'd have any qualms about regulary reviatlising interest in an army that already does good buisness.

Would it be nice if they were plastic? Sure!

But that ship has sailed. I have plenty of Tallarn minis, and can always get more, so I'm not worried.

Plastic Tallarn would be an automatic sell for me (as long as they didn't botch the line like they did with Beastmen). And as I don't own any other Imperial Guard, that would mean sales from their other Imperial Guard stuff, too. And likely Forge World as well. It's one of those rare releases that could make me go totally all out. Concidering how little I've found worth spending on from GW these last few years, that's saying a lot. If the plastics were designed well, they needn't even be Tallarn only. A good kit could cover Tallarns as well as any light impies.

But that will never happen, and I know that will never happen. GW would sooner kill the Emperor and advance the timeline than put that kind of resources into a fringe line. And I know my tastes don't reflect the majority of players because my other army is beastmen and I liked the old plastic Cold Ones. But a guy can dream..

The cost of the tooling and store space makes me think it's goning to be a long wait for any new plastic regiments. Don't hold your breath anyone.

If they do it would be the great coats, or an alternative head/chest set like FW produced for some. They're not likley to retire current moulds until they've worn them out - they cost too much. Besides, however much we'd like them, the numebrs who would seriously buy them compared to the amount who are desparate for new DE etc just won't do it for them. If DE look anywhere near as cool as some of the preliminary art I'd actually be tempted to give them a go. For those of us who are desparate not to use cadians or catachans we've found other ways anyway, be it FW or a fully converted army. Between us doing that and kids buying off the shelf 'cus it's easy' GW have little reason to invest in another plastic regiment.

Would be nice to see some extra acessories for the tanks though. Like a medusa gun in plastic......

My sources at the studio tell me this is not planned for currently, especially for the OOP guard units who will be kept only in metal, because peope are still buying them in metal, and there is not enough room in the stores for more IG as the second wave of modles is being worked on and will need the space for its release.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:My sources at the studio tell me this is not planned for currently, especially for the OOP guard units who will be kept only in metal, because peope are still buying them in metal, and there is not enough room in the stores for more IG as the second wave of modles is being worked on and will need the space for its release.

Any news on what the second wave is?

I think GW would like to do these I don't think they've figured out how.

There were Mordian, Praetorians, Steel Legion, Valhallans, Vostroyans and Tallarns.

I think if GW were to do any of these in plastic, the higher priority would be for the regiments that have Special Characters. Tallarns and Valhallans. I think if these kits get done, its important to realize that they'd likely get an updated look, much like how the Cadians did. If you look at the old Cadians and the Tallarns there are enough similarities there, that GW could always do that Regiment as an add-on sprue to the cadian set; new heads, a few new torsos, a number of new arms with maybe a change of lasgun. If GW thought it could do well enough they could always recut the appropriate cadian parts onto the Tallarn sprue to make it self contained. The add-on format would allow it to be used with the Command squad and Heavy Weapon squad kits.

Valhallans, Vostroyans, and Steel Legion are similar enough that if GW did some redesigning they could bring the aesthetics of the three close to each other, to the point where they were one kit. I doubt that would happen. GW has shown reluctant to put this sort of effort into something as redundant. I think the most you could look forward to would be Valhallans and Steel legion. GW would likely let Voystroyans stay as metals since their so much newer and stand to lose the most character if redesigned for plastic. With rework, it could be as simple as swapping heads for Valhallans and Steel legion. After changes for manufacturing plastic, this would be the same story for Mordians and Preatorians.

So at the end of the day, GW would only need to do 1 add-on sprue and one box set.

cygnnus wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:There were some greens of Tallarn models a little while ago, seemingly with the intent of being plastic kits. Word is that they were just test sculpts though.

I doubt those would be plastics. Much more likely to be a "collectors" release... Esp since one of the Tallarn was armed with a flamer which was conspicuously missing from the old Tallarn line.

Either way, though, I hope GW releases them. My (sadly currently unpainted) Tallarn army can always use new models...

Vale,

JohnS

Those were testing and training sculpts for one of the newer sculptors. Those don't get made.


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lords2001 wrote:Any news on what the second wave is?

Its more like trickles. New Chimera and new Basilisk in March. Supposedly more before the Fall.

I could see sprues containing ALL of the variants in one box, so you have to buy a bazillion boxes to convert your Guard to ONE scheme.

It would be called an "Upgrade" box of some kind, and have MAYBE a full sprue of heads for each set, and maybe 5 bodies. Again, to force you to buy crap loads of them to accomplish anything.

Mattlov wrote:I could see sprues containing ALL of the variants in one box, so you have to buy a bazillion boxes to convert your Guard to ONE scheme.

It would be called an "Upgrade" box of some kind, and have MAYBE a full sprue of heads for each set, and maybe 5 bodies. Again, to force you to buy crap loads of them to accomplish anything.

I think they've (thankfully) moved away from this kind of thing with mixed box sets such as Hormagaunts/Termagants being replaced by separate kits.

Todosi wrote:Umm, actually not true Temprus. Warhammer Fantasy sells better in the UK and Europe than 40K.

Where did you see sales numbers that back that up? (Not a challenge or disagreeing, just curious). The last sales figures I saw, showed 40k outselling all other GW product combined in all territories. LotR was second for most territories (the report is packed up and in storage, so I can't look up if UK was one of them).

I know it won't happen but with the 25th anniversary coming up I would love GW to rerelease these guys either in their original form or an update.