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Regarding "Forever Evil"...

No, and I'm on the verge of dropping a lot of the Bat titles honestly.

They started out strong in the New 52 but have really lost their way recently.

I'll have to go out and Google what's what on Batwoman now though...

 Manchu wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
On the other hand, DC just killed Batwoman.

Turn down the drama dial. Batwoman is not dead.

I don't think the comic, "Batwoman", will survive this. Not when the obvious solution is to find a new creative team that is more willing to slavishly follow idiotic editorial mandates.

If Superman can't be Mr. Lane then what hope do third stringers have?

So DC editorial is consistently stupid. I don't consider that a point in their favour.

 Alpharius wrote:
No, and I'm on the verge of dropping a lot of the Bat titles honestly.

I did that myself last week. I just kept Batman, B&R, NightWing, Batgirl, Lil Gotham, and Red Hood.


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 AlexHolker wrote:
I don't think the comic, "Batwoman", will survive this. Not when the obvious solution is to find a new creative team that is more willing to slavishly follow idiotic editorial mandates.

Ugh ... Look, I'll admit (again) that losing Williams's art is a tough break. But this book has been otherwise coasting on GLAAD publicity.

 AlexHolker wrote:

If Superman can't be Mr. Lane then what hope do third stringers have?

So DC editorial is consistently stupid. I don't consider that a point in their favour.

By all means, please lay out why happily married middle-aged superheroes are more interesting than younger, angsty, romantically available ones. Go ahead. Dick Grayson and I both can't wait to hear this.

 Manchu wrote:
By all means, please lay out why happily married middle-aged superheroes are more interesting than younger, angsty, romantically available ones. Go ahead. Dick Grayson and I both can't wait to hear this.

Are you under the impression that people immediately age thirty years when they get married?

Maybe Deadpool is more interesting than Daredevil, but that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be Deadpool. Having a variety of characters - some who devote themselves to their work, some who struggle to find love, some whose relationships are an island of stability surrounded by crocodile hybrids, mud-people and literature-inspired-lunatics - is better than trying to force everyone into the same mould.

It's like my argument against what most people consider "Grimdark". Yes, conflict is more interesting than peace, but that doesn't mean you need all conflict, all the time. There is room in the 40k universe for worlds behind friendly lines, where eternal war is just a tax and a draft and not an immediately existential threat. That doesn't mean you need to write stories about those parts, but neither should you be running out of things to write about a woman living in a world with time-travelling Nazi dinosaurs.

It's not about forcing everyone into the same mould, it's about avoiding the pitfall of finding all your characters in seriously committed relationships ... which is one of the reasons for the New 52 relaunch. The Batwoman team could hardly have missed the memo. I suppose they figured high profile marketing of homosexuality granted them a pass, and I expect DC led them on about this given how everyone always has to be talking about gay this and gay that in the last three years, but DC decided to treat Batwoman equally after all.

Still not convinced Marriage would be the end of all comics as we know it. Seems its no worse than killing someone, and allows for more stories to be woven, which to me would be kind of the point.

Just an odd thing for DC to be bothered about. As someone noted on Bleeding Cool, they'll only reboot the whole lot again in five to ten years anyway.

Saying that I've been enjoying Batwoman, and I hope the new team keeps it going strong.

What's wrong with marriage in comics? Luke Cage got married to Jessica Jones, right? Then they had a kid. Or did he just knock her up while dating? That kinda thing happens all the time in comics. There are a lot of examples of failed marriages in comics though: Ben and May Parker (death), Scott and Madelyn Prior (clone went psycho), Colossus and Shadowcat (AoA, he stepped on her), X-men Cartoon DotFP/AoA Wolverine and Storm (ceased to exist), Spiderman and Mary Jane ("turn back time Mephisto, so nobody knows who I am and I'll return to being single"-best annulment of all time), Sabertooth and Mystique (Graydon Creed=serious grounds for divorce)....I guess marriage may be a bad idea in comics. Wait though!! Reed Richards and Sue Storm-they got married, and it's survived 50+ years!! Long live the sanctity of marriage!

I think they're talking about some DC editorial direction specifically but no Luke Cage and Jessica are not married afaik.

So this got posted/teased by the "Arrow" team today. It's a bit of a spoiler (unless you know who Roy Harper is):

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I think they're talking about some DC editorial direction specifically but no Luke Cage and Jessica are not married afaik.

huh. I could have sworn that I'd responded to this ages ago. Anyway, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are in fact married.

They had a drunken one night stand, then became close, then it was discovered that Jones was pregnant, so they moved in together, before marrying shortly after the birth of their child.

Why didn't you tell me that sooner?! j/k

 Kanluwen wrote:
So this got posted/teased by the "Arrow" team today. It's a bit of a spoiler (unless you know who Roy Harper is):

Even if you don't, you'd think the red hoodie would have been a clue last season.

This is going to be a really interesting season for the show, given that the superheroics may be ramped up as part of WB's universe-building.

So, I picked up my comics for this week*, and EVERYTHING IS GOING CRAZY.

Legacy went from "this is an interesting two-issue arc" to "Ohmygod how did I not see that coming?"

Wolverine ended the current arc really satisfactorily.

Infinity just keeps on ramping up the spectacle and suspense.

Battle of The Atom is going strongly, though taking a while to pick up pace, and the current issue only included the future x-men for about one page.

Cable & X-Force, and Superior Spiderman both involve time travel. Craziness ensues.

I cannot remember a week where I have been this excited about the next issue of these comics.



*X-Men Legacy, Superior Spiderman, Cable&X-Force, Savage Wolverine, Infinity and Battle of the Atom*

I'm a little behind right now but I wonder how Battle of the Atom will end. They'll probably send those kids home.

For me, DC's villain themed books has been a major disappointment.

Outside of the main book (Forever Evil), you could skip them all and not be missing a thing.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I'm a little behind right now but I wonder how Battle of the Atom will end. They'll probably send those kids home.

I think so too, though that would mean the end of All New X-Men (maybe being replaced by Amazing X-Men)

I also have a theory as to how Infinity will end, which is:

I am anxiously awaiting release of the new solo title for Harley Quinn. They seem to have cancelled Ame-Comi Girls which I was very much enjoying.. oh well.

In other news, when the new Harley Title hits the shelves, it will be in my brand spanking newly opened Games and Comic Book store here in Springfield Oregon.

Here is a link to our facebook page, an actual website will be up within the next two weeks before we plan to open the doors.

http://www.facebook.com/castleofgames

Congratulations and best of luck with the new store!

 Alpharius wrote:
For me, DC's villain themed books has been a major disappointment.

Outside of the main book (Forever Evil), you could skip them all and not be missing a thing.

I kinda liked that they were just one-shots starring your favorite villains rather than something necessary to follow the Forever Evil storyline. My wallet liked it even more.

They certainly are leaving us in suspense about what happened to the JL.

ARROW WEDNESDAY YAAAAAAAAAY.

Should be an especially interesting Arrow season if some of the rumored universe-building takes place.

Are they making that Flash show?


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Manchu you're hideous btw. Is your avatar from Judge Dredd vs Mars Attacks?

Last I read, it's up in the air, but

I feel dirty having made the switch from being a Marvel boy into LOVING the New 52 from DC. I know I'm wickedly behind in the times, bear with me. Superman isn't a boy scout anymore-he's actually a likable character for me, Batman feels the same as he was before (already a badass, so no issue here), Aquaman is awesome, Green Lantern is a fun read with Sinestro being pulled back into the Corps while Hal has been kicked out, and the Court of Owls full series is tons of fun. I'm quite impressed with DC. I picked up a Marvel X-men issue to look at, and saw Cyclops with a big dopey X covering his whole head (and I'm a Cyclops fan!). I've always enjoyed the more "grown up" comics (not in a dirty sense), and X-men and Avengers have grown away from that, while DC is showing itself to be a comic for adults. Minus a couple ridiculous characters from the old issues. I'll keep reading the DC stuff until it starts to suck, but I've enjoyed volume 1 of EVERY graphic novel so far that I've picked up: all the Batman stuff except Batwoman (getting Red Hood Wednesday), Superman Action Comics, Talon, Justice League, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman...basically, all the important titles so far except Wonder Woman. Steve Trevor is my favorite non-super hero character in DC, so I think WW will be a requirement soon.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
*snip* (getting Red Hood Wednesday) *snip*

From my readings of the new 52 stuff (only graphic novels) Red Hood has fast become one of my favourite titles, despite not having been keen on Jason Todd before the reboot. I won't spoil anything, but if you're one of the people who find the depiction of Starfire a bit 'off' in the first volume bear with it as she really comes into her own in the second. Just a quick question, which of the Batman titles have you read and enjoyed? As I feel I should start the series for the court of owls stuff and for future Bat family crossovers but am always wary of Bat titles being a bit too dark for the sake of being dark (if that makes sense?)

WW is my favorite of the bunch, now that all the Batman titles have slipped in quality.

Be aware though that WW's solo book is not really crossing over much with the rest of the New 52, and Trevor isn't in it much at all.

But it is an awesome book!

If Trevor isn't in it much, there isn't much reason to buy it!

And I'm a Jason Todd fan from the Red Hood movie. I've also enjoyed him in B&R series.

 Alpharius wrote:
WW is my favorite of the bunch, now that all the Batman titles have slipped in quality.

Be aware though that WW's solo book is not really crossing over much with the rest of the New 52, and Trevor isn't in it much at all.

But it is an awesome book!

I'll say this...after hearing Snyder's explanation of Death of the Family on the Fatman on Batman podcast, I like and understand it a little more. I still think it was overdone -- the tie-ins, etc. would seem to have been DC's decision and not Snyder's -- and as written I think the main message/theme could have been clearer. Apparently Snyder's going to do some rewrites of certain panels in the trade paperback.

I think Zero Year is interesting, and I thought Snyder and Capullo's discussion of it was interesting too. I can see how it might catch flak from some corners, but what good is a reboot if you don't change some things?

WW is probably the one New 52 book I regret not buying from the beginning.

After reading RH&tOs, I have to say...wow. Probably my favorite of the bunch. The graphics were great, the character growth was incredible...so much more to JT than just being an angry, undead sidekick. Got volumes 1&2, and thoroughly enjoyed both. Eagerly awaiting A Death in the Family to hit TPB format. I also appreciate how the Bat titles keep the past intact. They feel like a continuation of the old batman [general] story.