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Couldn't bring myself to care about Trinity War. Or whatever the current thing with DC is. I haven't heard anything good about them to spark my interest, either.

I have Bendis's MoonKnight trades and the first volume of Superior Spider-Man coming to me so I'll probably review those as/when.

As for DC, I can recommend Lil Gotham and Adventures of Superman.

Li'l Gotham is fun, I am subscribed.

 Kanluwen wrote:
NEW ARROW PROMO YAAAAAAAAAAY

So....Arrow fan?


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 Manchu wrote:
Couldn't bring myself to care about Trinity War. Or whatever the current thing with DC is. I haven't heard anything good about them to spark my interest, either.

I have Bendis's MoonKnight trades and the first volume of Superior Spider-Man coming to me so I'll probably review those as/when.

As for DC, I can recommend Lil Gotham and Adventures of Superman.

I think you'll find Moon Knight exceptionally average. Superior Spider-Man has a tpb now? That's good, I'm regretting not collecting that now. It seems to have some legs afterall.

It's first paperback is already out (and second will be out very soon). I'm waiting for the hardcover. It collects Amazing Spider-Man 698-700 in addition to the first five issues of Superior. Figured I could use the additional background.

I have to admit to enjoying the Superior Spider-Man storyline, though I'll also admit to really wanting Peter Parker back sooner rather than too much later now...

Read MoonKnight Vol 1 last night ... it has a ton of potential and sometimes manages to get there, like with the chemistry between Marc and Maya, but there's way too much NOT going on. Also, I get that this is a book about a schizophrenic but all the meta-humor putting down the title character was unnecessary. MoonKnight is a cool character. But having him do so little in so many pages and constantly tearing him down with "who's MoonKnight?" type jokes did not achieve the too-cool-for-tier-one effect I believe Bendis was aiming for. The art is similarly not quite striking enough too justify how messy and gritty it gets. I can tell Maleev can really draw; I just don't know why he's drawing so much grit. Finally - SPOILER - Count Nefaria is fething lame. I don't care how many panels you have with characters talking about how awesome he is (and we're talking about a ton of panels here), he's still just lame lame lame.

For me, the best book to come from the New 52?

Wonder Woman - and I'm surprised at how much I liked it at the start, and how much more I like it now. Maybe one complaint would be how disconnected from the rest of the DC Universe it feels at times. Like, all of the time. Love the new New Gods too, and looking forward to more of...everything they've done with the book so far!

Yeah, my buddy just bought all the new WW issues and loves it. The covers have been killer.

WW is a book I kinda regret not getting in on from the beginning. But then I've cut back a lot.

In fact, I'm reading no Marvel books right now for the first time in I don't know how long. I've never been an X-Men or Spidey fan at all, but usually I was good for Captain America and an Avengers book at minimum. But right now Cap isn't compelling, and the Avengers franchise is a bloated, convoluted mess that puts me off. I feel like in the future, Marvel will have 15 Spidey books, 15 Avengers books, 15 X-Men books, and another 15 books to cover everything else.

I've heard that Hawkeye is a great book, but again, I didn't get in early and I'm not sure I want to spend to catch up.

You're kind of describing DC: 15 Bat titles, 15 Super titles ...

 Manchu wrote:
Read MoonKnight Vol 1 last night ... it has a ton of potential and sometimes manages to get there, like with the chemistry between Marc and Maya, but there's way too much NOT going on. Also, I get that this is a book about a schizophrenic but all the meta-humor putting down the title character was unnecessary. MoonKnight is a cool character. But having him do so little in so many pages and constantly tearing him down with "who's MoonKnight?" type jokes did not achieve the too-cool-for-tier-one effect I believe Bendis was aiming for. The art is similarly not quite striking enough too justify how messy and gritty it gets. I can tell Maleev can really draw; I just don't know why he's drawing so much grit. Finally - SPOILER - Count Nefaria is fething lame. I don't care how many panels you have with characters talking about how awesome he is (and we're talking about a ton of panels here), he's still just lame lame lame.

I'd agree with all that. I at least had the bonus that I already knew who Maya aka Echo aka Ronin was because of New Avengers so it was good to see where her character went.

This was the first time I'd read a Moon Knight title so I was somewhat familiar with his schizophrenia but I don't care for that character trait. Although I bet it's more entertaining than his previous version of it with Spider-Man, Wolverine and Cap acting as the Angels and Devils on his shoulders the drawback is: OMG another book that somehow has Spider-Man, Wolverine and Captain America in it! They're not even there yet they're there!

Can't he just take some anti-psychotics and you know...not have scizophrenia...


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 gorgon wrote:
WW is a book I kinda regret not getting in on from the beginning. But then I've cut back a lot.

In fact, I'm reading no Marvel books right now for the first time in I don't know how long. I've never been an X-Men or Spidey fan at all, but usually I was good for Captain America and an Avengers book at minimum. But right now Cap isn't compelling, and the Avengers franchise is a bloated, convoluted mess that puts me off. I feel like in the future, Marvel will have 15 Spidey books, 15 Avengers books, 15 X-Men books, and another 15 books to cover everything else.

I've heard that Hawkeye is a great book, but again, I didn't get in early and I'm not sure I want to spend to catch up.

For as long as I've read comics it's been like that. There's always been multiple Spider-Man, X-Men and Batman titles.

Surprisingly, I think its actually less convoluted now because each title actually follows a different team. You don't have to follow all Avenger's or X-Men titles to know what's going on you just have to follow the teams you're interested in.

I don't really know who's on what Avengers team, though. I think that X-Men fans are probably more used to this M.O. than me.

While there have traditionally been two regular titles devoted to Superman, Batman and Spidey, what's happened to the Avengers is well beyond that.

 gorgon wrote:
I don't really know who's on what Avengers team, though. I think that X-Men fans are probably more used to this M.O. than me.

While there have traditionally been two regular titles devoted to Superman, Batman and Spidey, what's happened to the Avengers is well beyond that.

The thing that Marvel hasn't made particularly clear is that the majority of the "Avengers" teams aren't actually "Avengers" they're just teams of superheroes who aren't mutants, with "Avengers" being used as an adjective to show people "okay, so that's a comic about a team of superheroes with powers that aren't mutations"

For example "Avengers Arena" isn't related to the avengers in any way at all, it's about a group of young superheroes being forced to fight to the death, but the use of "Avengers" tells people the type of characters involved.

"New Avengers" is the illuminati dealing with cosmic level stuff, and is, again, just a way of saying "superhero team that isn't an x-men team"

Avengers Assemble was Marvel bringing out a comic that used the team from the film, but has had many more added.

Uncanny Avengers is all about Big Bads and is part mutant part non-mutant, being used to give mutants a positive public image post-AvX

Avengers is the standard avengers title.

Secret Avengers is Nick Fury, Agent Coulson, Maria Hill, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and a couple of others (including Hulk for some reason)

And young avengers is just a group of young superheroes doing stuff together.

So yeah, not all of the Avengers titles are actually involving the Avengers, it just used to denote the type of team, much like how X-Men Legacy only involves David Haller, with X-Men being used to indicate that it's a story about mutants.

There are currently 4-5 Batman titles and that's just including the main ones, not the whole gamut of the Bat-family titles.

 Goliath wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I don't really know who's on what Avengers team, though. I think that X-Men fans are probably more used to this M.O. than me.

While there have traditionally been two regular titles devoted to Superman, Batman and Spidey, what's happened to the Avengers is well beyond that.

The thing that Marvel hasn't made particularly clear is that the majority of the "Avengers" teams aren't actually "Avengers" they're just teams of superheroes who aren't mutants, with "Avengers" being used as an adjective to show people "okay, so that's a comic about a team of superheroes with powers that aren't mutations"

For example "Avengers Arena" isn't related to the avengers in any way at all, it's about a group of young superheroes being forced to fight to the death, but the use of "Avengers" tells people the type of characters involved.

"New Avengers" is the illuminati dealing with cosmic level stuff, and is, again, just a way of saying "superhero team that isn't an x-men team"

Avengers Assemble was Marvel bringing out a comic that used the team from the film, but has had many more added.

Uncanny Avengers is all about Big Bads and is part mutant part non-mutant, being used to give mutants a positive public image post-AvX

Avengers is the standard avengers title.

Secret Avengers is Nick Fury, Agent Coulson, Maria Hill, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and a couple of others (including Hulk for some reason)

And young avengers is just a group of young superheroes doing stuff together.

So yeah, not all of the Avengers titles are actually involving the Avengers, it just used to denote the type of team, much like how X-Men Legacy only involves David Haller, with X-Men being used to indicate that it's a story about mutants.

That's a good breakdown. Avengers Arena shouldn't even have Avengers in the title it has absolutely nothing to do with the Avengers.

The wackiness began with Civil War. After the Registration act there was a state sanctioned Avengers team and an illegal rebels with a cause Avengers Team: The New Avengers. Long, long story short now there's really only one Avengers team: "The Avengers". Which can be followed in "Avengers".

Wow, my pull list is filling up quick cost wise. Need to buy a chunk of the Villains issues before they next wave goes in.

Also, isn't there only one Spider-Man title now? Not counting Miles Morales.

Anyone else read the new "The Star Wars" comic?

I know this is ridiculously late notice, and I'm sure some of you already know about it, but if you're in the Cincinnati area or within an hour or so, Cincy ComicCon is this weekend. It's a pretty big event, with some very notable names there like:

Jason Aaron
Tony Moore
Rick Remender
Arthur Adams
Bernie Wrightson
Steve Niles
Ben Templesmith
Ethan Van Sciver

and more.

Here's the site if you want to check it out:

http://www.cincycomicon.com/

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Also, isn't there only one Spider-Man title now? Not counting Miles Morales.

There's currently Superior Spider-Man and Superior Spider-Man Team Up.
After Infinity concludes Mighty Avengers is being introduced, which has Spider-Man in as well.

 Goliath wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Also, isn't there only one Spider-Man title now? Not counting Miles Morales.

There's currently Superior Spider-Man and Superior Spider-Man Team Up.
After Infinity concludes Mighty Avengers is being introduced, which has Spider-Man in as well.

You don't have to worry about Team-Up books for anything important continuity-wise. They're always pointless sideshows and that's why I don't collect them anymore.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Also, isn't there only one Spider-Man title now? Not counting Miles Morales.

There's currently Superior Spider-Man and Superior Spider-Man Team Up.
After Infinity concludes Mighty Avengers is being introduced, which has Spider-Man in as well.

You don't have to worry about Team-Up books for anything important continuity-wise. They're always pointless sideshows and that's why I don't collect them anymore.

Oh, I don't read it it's basically just a relaunch of Avenging Spider-Man, just without Avengers specified in the name due to his disagreement with them since he became more violent.

If I was going to get any of the "Superior" family of books I would go with Superior Foes of Spider-Man, because apparently its both rather good, and incredibly dirty in its sense of humour.

Speaking of Superior Spider-man, I'm considering picking it up. I wasn't really attached to Peter Parker before OMD and that little bit of character assassination finished him off for me. So in that light, Superior Spider-man at least recovered something from the wreckage of Marvel's most popular superhero, even if it was not a return to a Peter Parker who would not sell his unborn daughter to the devil.

And I do like what they've been doing with SpOck, overall.

On the other hand, DC just killed Batwoman. The writers and artist just quit, because editorial were being indecisive micromanagers and forbidding planned story arcs at the eleventh hour. And like One More Day, the final straw was an attack on marriage.

 AlexHolker wrote:
On the other hand, DC just killed Batwoman.

Turn down the drama dial. Batwoman is not dead. Williams and Blackman are leaving in a snit because editorial axed the wedding bells. Gail Simone even explained that DC is anti-marriage. If Superman can't be Mr. Lane then what hope do third stringers have? Williams is a great artist but creators need to figure out that comics themselves are just the back room of the comic book franchise industry these days.

WOW!

Apparently this week's DC books will make for some interesting reading!

Not any more so than usual, really.

Is Alex not referencing this weeks DC books then?

First, he's only mentioned one DC title so far as I can tell. Second, by "this week" do you mean 9/4 or 9/11? Either way, Batwoman 26 comes out in December. Third, Batwoman is not dead. There will simply be a different creative team on the book in January.

Guess I'm not up on DC future events and spoilers.

I read each week as it is released, digitally, though I do fall behind by a week or so every now and then.

Like this week!

Are you reading Batwoman?