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So the list I brought was:

HQ
Tyrant- 2 devourers hive commander old adversary wings paroxysm leech life 310

Elites
2 zoanthropes 120
pod- cluster spines 50

2 zoanthropes 120
pod- cluster spines 50

deathleaper 140

Troops
10 gants 50

tervigon- adrenal glands toxin sacs catalyst 195

10 gants 50

tervigon- adrenal glands toxin sacs catalyst 195

5 stealers- toxin sacs 85

5 stealers- toxin sacs 85

Heavy
trygon 200

trygon 200

Okay so they gave me a 1 out of 20 fro comp mostly because I was playing nids, but comp was all over the place this tournament so I don't want to hear any whining for me from you guys, being like I can't believe they gave you a 1. ALL the players who had this problem fave the tournament organizer enough of a hard time for his somewhat justified opinion, so just don't bother mentioning it,. I'm well aware my comp score may have costed me overall, I'm cool with it. I came there to have fun and ay new opponents with good armies, and do the best I can, and that's what happned.

So round one I'm playing Marc Parker most of you know who he is, andhe's one of the best players in the country so I knew from the begining it was going to be a fight.

Round one
Oponent- Marc Parker Tyranids
Mission:
primary- 5 objectives claim more objectives
secondary- kill points
tertiary- destroy all your opponents HQ's
Deployment- spearhead

His list
Swarmlord
3 guard

3 zoanthropes
pod

2 zoanthropes
pod

3 hive guards

15 gants

25 hormigants- toxin sacs

25 hormigants- toxin sacs

tervigon

10 stealers

So I knew form the begining it was going to be hard killing all that while avoiding combat witht the poisoned hormies and my MC's. And I had no way to kill the swarm lord, so I had to just do the best I could to avoid him.

We placed the objectives 1 in each quarter and 1 in the center more or less.

I win the roll for first and give it up to him. He deploys his army lined up with pods in reserve and swarm on 1 flank and tervie and hive guard on the other, stealers outflanking I deployed with a gant wall protecting all my MC's 1 squad of stealers in outflank deathleaper got his swarmy down to leadership 8 and the zoan deployed accross from his swarm lord as their pods came down empty.

Hist Turn 1
He moves up and runs with his army. Brings out a squad of 14 gants with no doubles.

My Turn 1
1 tervigon on the side with his tervigon brings in 8 gants and rolls doubles the other bust out 11 with no doubles. I shoot up his wall and charge it with a crap ton of gants while leaving 1 squad of 10 protectiing my wall. After its all said and done he lost about 40 gants/hormies and i lost about 20.

His Turn 2
No zoeys but stealers come in on my side of the board. His swarm lord charges gants and kills them. His hive guard shot the staeler squad that was deployed and kills 4. His non engaged hormigants get by my wall and charge 2 squads of gants and the flyrant killing all of it and only losing 10 themselves. He also created 1 squad of gants which were left in the backfield holding 2 objectives, but his tervie rolled doubles.

My Turn 2
Both my pods come in, 1 contests in objective in his backfield, 1 gets in the way of his swarmlord. The zoeys try to put small blasts on the stealers and fail misserably. The tervie spits out 13 more gants with no doubles and they re charge some hormiagnts killing most of them. The hormigants that hit my lines are hit by 2 trygons and 2 tervigons nad evaporate.

His Turn 3
Hist swarmlord charges my new gant unit and the pod in their way and kills both. The rest of his stuff dances around. The zoeys com in and get im my way but cant et stuff off through shadow in the warp. His stealers charge the zoanthropes and we stay in combat.

My Turn 3
Tervigon creates 11 more gants no doubles and surrounds the tyrant unit keeping them from moving at all, then goes off to fight 2 zoanthroes. The other tervigon that ran out of gants charged their pod. 1 trygon charged the squad of 3 zoanthropes and the other trygon charged into his hive guard. Zoanthropes stay. Deathleaper shows up and hides. Still no stealers.

His Turn 4
stealers dont kill the zoathropes. swarmlord kill the gants but was stalled for a turn. his tervigon and gants in the backfirld charge into my trygon that chaarged my trygon, I swing on the gants and kill all but 4 and do 1 woulnd to the tervie through combat res, he also does 2 to my trygon, bringing him to 2.

My Turn 4
deathleeaper hops out, stealers come in and grab an objective. He ftill hasnt killed those zoanthropes. My tervigon makes 11 more babies but this time rolls doubles, but they surround the swarmlord again buying me a turn. my tervigon that charged the pod kills it and masacres to hold an objective.

His Turn 5
Stealers STILL cant kill the zoanthropes. Swarmy killms ore gants. his tervigon dies and my trygon goes down to 1. his gants die to terie dying and hive guard die to combat res.

My Turn 5.
Get away formt e swarm lord, with 2 trygons but the tervigon is doomed. his stealers are free. deathleaper pops in and hides.

His Turn 6
his stealers move to charge my tervigon and so does swarm lord and it dies.

My Turn 6
deathleaper hops out. both trygons go for the gold and charge the swarm lord 1 gets killed the other drops 2 guard.

His Turn 7
swarm lord finishes off my trygon and contests my tervigons objective stealer go hold one.

My Turn 7
tervigon says feth it and charges the swarm lord and get his ass kicked. death leaper hops in and contests the stewalers objective.

So that was it, I got the primary and he got the secondary and tertiary. 10 points + my gakky comp = im out for best overall so I'm playing for general now

Nex round... well I'll leave that a suprise this time

1 for comp with new Nidz... Interesting.

Good job in your battle. It will be intersting to see how the rest of your games go.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:1 for comp with new Nidz... Interesting.

Good job in your battle. It will be intersting to see how the rest of your games go.

G

A 1 for comp! I take it you're not a local to that particular store?

Parker is going with the 'Nids?

How come everyone is jumping on the newest codexes?

I am going old school with Chaos and Eldar even though I own a SW and a Nid army.

Yermom I am not saying you are jumping on the bandwagon since you have always run Nids.

Wow, getting a win off of Marc and playing him first round. Good luck with the rest. I wouldn't completely discount winning Overall yet (I assume this is a two day event).

Looking forward to the rest of the reports.

Who is Matt? Anyways that game seemed closer to a draw since Marc pulled the secondary and tertiary objectives.

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Marc just wanted to try out the new nid codex, he used the gt as a test run. He didn't have the expierienceor the list he needed to have success with it, like i did, therefore he was less than pleased and re-retiring his bugs.

Round 2
Opponent- Guess what more tyranids!
Mission- football. there was one objective placed in the center of the table whoever has it at the end wins. The football is moved with the unit capturing it. The unit capturing it cant embark in transports and maay only be infantry so no MC's.

So his list is basically mine with a twist

HQ
swarmlord

Elites
2 hive guard

2 zoans

deathleaper

Troops
10 gants

tervie

10 gants

tervie

Heavy
trygon prime

trygon prime

trygon prime


So I went first and castled up with gant wall. pods went in empty and i deployed stealers behind for counter charge. he deployed identically his swarmlord accross from my tyrant and trygons in deep strike.

He Stole the initiative!

His turn 1
he moves up creates gants with 1 tervie but rolls doubles his hive guard kill 1 squad of zoanthropes cuz i rolled bad.

My turn 1
i make gants with 1 tervie but roll doublees so i save the other. I move around my wall to avoid the swarm lord who went off to the flank. I tried to decoy him with my tyrant but staying outside of 12 for as long as possible. my gants charge his gants and do stuff

his turn 2
2 trygons are up 1 scatters badly and ends up behind his army 1 ends up on the flank opposite the swarm lord tyrant. deathleaper comes up right in front of my tyrant. Gants duke it out some more for the foot ball.

My turn 2
pods come in the center and get in the middle of the gant clusterfudge. tyrant kills his death leaper. 1 squad of stealers goes out and charges the trygon that cam in on the flank and bring his to 4 wounds before losing 4 stealers and tying him up. I spawn more gants and use them to block his swarm lord.

His turn 3
our gants kill each other and swarm lord kill the gants i spawn. still no 3rd trygon. his trygon fighting the stealer takes 2 wounds do to him failing saves and me having poisin but then he killed my stealer. tervies move up and put on some pressure. his trygon in the back beat up a pod.

My turn 3
i spawn more gants to block swarm lord and then i send a trygon out to finish his wounded trygon and the other out to kill a tervie. his trygon dies but brings mine to just 1 wound. his tervie soges down to 2 and does 1 back to my trygon. tyrant flew up and killed the hive guard who got too close.

His turn 4
trygon comes in near my tyrant but scatters in to nowheresville kinda close 1 of my tervigons. his terigon dies in combat the other moves up and charges one of mine and we sit the for awhile. swarmy kills more gants but now hes too close to surround with gants. his trygon in the back kills the pod in his way

My turn 4
the trygon the finished the tervie moves up and does 4 wounds to his trygon but then dies. the tervie flees from the swarm lord but into the other trygons range. the flyrant kills his zoanthropes in the back field (the secondary was kill all enemy infantry). my other trygon hides in a forest.

His turn 5
his trygon sits on the football. his other tryogn charges the tervie and does 4 wounds. His swarm lord walk up to the tervie on tervie action going on and 1 shots my tervigon.

My turn 5
my death leaper hops up next to his trygon sitting on the football. then the tyrant charges the trygon and kills him. the trygon waits for the swarm lord in the trees. and my tervigon dies to his trygon.

His turn 6
his swarm lord charges my trygon in trees goes last takes 3 wounds and then kills me.

My turn 6
death leaper jumps on the foot ball. his swarm lord gets shot by the dakka flyrant and dies, giving me the tertiary aswell (kill all hq's)

So I got a masacre, which I need to pull of anything at the tournament.

Next round... Not tyranids!

Way to go jailbait!

G

yermom -

I like reading your reports, but it would be helpful to see some analysis in addition to the report. What has been working well in what situation, things you would change, short comings in your list that have surfaced.

Do you think your 310 point flyrant is worth it? etc.

Would add a lot of depth and be helpful for those trying to figure out a new nid list.

Nice reports. Feels like I get to catch up a little bit on what I missed. )

I was there solid for two days, and barely got to watch any 40k, and only rolled a dice 1 time. In smaller tournaments I get to sit and watch parts of games, this one I just ran around crazy all the time.

Looking forward to the rest.

Leenus- I'd be happy to write an analysis of all my units. I'll do it once I finish all my battle reports though.

Mike- Yeah you did a great job with the tournament, and the scenaery and everything was amazing. It was well run too. My only suggestion for future tournaments is that if you are including comp score the armies that were just released as they should have been to the best of your ability, rather than just dinging hem since they're new. For example say my list should be at a 5 or 6 (that's where I would've placed it), then put all the new army players (in this case tyranids) at the bottom of the comp score pile for match ups ealry on, so they aren't wrecking soft armies nor are they completely shot at a chance for overall by comp. I was talking to Ludwig about that idea too.

Yermon,

I cant wait for the rest of the reports. I was your 4th round opponent. Your army almost changed my mind about nids. Almost.

I think this is Nick if so; you did great job and had great painted army. You defiantly played your nid list very well cant wait to read the rest of your reports.

Panurgle- Hey I really liked your space wolf army too I'm a huge fan of loganwing and to see it done competitively was realy suprising and a great suprise too even if I didn't do as well as I would have like against it. You played it well and you earned your win.

cheesesteak- Yeah it's Nick, thanks! I was impressed by how good everyone was doen there, every single match was a big challenge and I'm sur playing you would've been no different. You salamanders looked awesome by the way.

It's a decent point, and we're looking at a lot of things we did this tournament, and see what we can improve for the future. One thing I didn't like, was what I think of as "the banding effect". You don't see it at small tournaments because of the low number of players. But with 50, we had a bunch of similar nid lists, similar IG lists, similar marine lists, etc. and I didn't like how they grouped in the first round.

Our next 40k GT has no comp component in the scoring at all, so I get a break from doing another "grade 50 armies in a night" jobs for a while. The next discussion is going to be a hard look at how different styles of scenarios break up the games, and may even negate the need for comp. I'm (possibly naively) hopefull that with some more work on missions, we won't see a need for comp in that tournament. I'll reserve judgement until I see what shows up next time.) We're also going to look at the effect scenery had on these games, as we had a bit more on the tables than I think the average person uses. Still not the 25% the rule book calls for, but I've got 4 months to make a whole lot more.

Yermon, I knew the Trygons were mean. They put the fear of god in my termis! Just glad only one ever made it into combat.

The damn Terv's pooping out gaunts and then boosting is a real pain. Your army excelled with all those objective missions.

My only recommendations for your army would be to put crushing claws on the one terv that you like to out flank. I think it would give it a good boost. Other than that your army looked good.

and do you think regen could have helped you much on your trygons? It didnt look like they died right off the bat and they way your roll you would be back to full health in no time.

I rode home with your last opponent and your army really made him question his eldar build. Hehe, that is not easy. FYI, you beat two Grand Tournament winners at that event. Your 1st round and 5th round opponent.

I do question how your army would have done verse some of the power guard builds that were there.

yermom wrote:Panurgle- Hey I really liked your space wolf army too I'm a huge fan of loganwing and to see it done competitively was realy suprising and a great suprise too even if I didn't do as well as I would have like against it. You played it well and you earned your win.

cheesesteak- Yeah it's Nick, thanks! I was impressed by how good everyone was doen there, every single match was a big challenge and I'm sur playing you would've been no different. You salamanders looked awesome by the way.

Arg!

I didn't even think of trying to find out who you were; I remembered seeing that you were going to the SVDM, but aside from going up to each tyranid player and saying, "Are you yermon?" I didn't know what to do. =p

I'll look for you next time! *pink ork guy*

Congrats! Nick is the man! I cant wait to see your other bat reps.

As for comp, since I know comp cost you in another tourney, I wont go too far into it. However, I think that, should comp be instituted in other formats, there should only be 3 numbers that are used. 5, 10 or 15. If you have a BAD army, you get a 15. An average army gets a 10. A GOOD army gets a 5. This would have prevented the pretty noticeable, and undesirable, banding effect.

Also, it should be really hard to bring a 15 comp army... I see most armies fitting in the 5 and 10 range. For example, in my opinion I played all '10' comp armies (though they all scored above a 10), and I myself feel I should have had a 10 comp with them.

DevianID wrote:Congrats! Nick is the man! I cant wait to see your other bat reps.

As for comp, since I know comp cost you in another tourney, I wont go too far into it. However, I think that, should comp be instituted in other formats, there should only be 3 numbers that are used. 5, 10 or 15. If you have a BAD army, you get a 15. An average army gets a 10. A GOOD army gets a 5. This would have prevented the pretty noticeable, and undesirable, banding effect.

Also, it should be really hard to bring a 15 comp army... I see most armies fitting in the 5 and 10 range. For example, in my opinion I played all '10' comp armies (though they all scored above a 10), and I myself feel I should have had a 10 comp with them.

An even better system would be to eliminate comp. altogher; or run a 'juniors' tournament for 15 and under with comp. and a regular tournament without it.

You can enforce comp with the missions and not have to worry about it, just think creatively with how battle points are earned.

DarthDiggler wrote:You can enforce comp with the missions and not have to worry about it, just think creatively with how battle points are earned.

Why enforce comp. at all? In addition, adding homemade, untested, missions is asking for trouble. Look what happened in this tournament--player uproar led to a change of missions in the middle of the tournament. Why not just use standard missions?

It wasn't an uproar. More think friendly advice (Deleted by the Modquisiton). Stop making mountains out of molehills.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:It wasn't an uproar. More think friendly advice Olymdick. Stop making mountains out of molehills.

G

Where there is no drama there is no fun! Nevertheless, my point still stands about the idiocy of making up "fun, wacky!!" missions.

olympia wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:It wasn't an uproar. More think friendly advice Olymdick. Stop making mountains out of molehills.

G

Where there is no drama there is no fun! Nevertheless, my point still stands about the idiocy of making up "fun, wacky!!" missions.

And I take your points so very seriously! Especially when the first one accuses me of cheating since he wasn't a local.

You can go see the comments about mission four on the other thread. The comments I got at the tourney were on Saturday night, while we were all down at the bar together. A couple of people mentioned it was a tough mission still. A couple of others said it was playable, but necessarily fun. I'm sitting in the bar with a bunch of new friends, and they tell me something isn't fun, so I want to fix it. Got up early, ran to the store and dug up a new mission, and got the sheets printed out before people showed up for game four.

It's a tournament, it should be enjoyable to play the games. If that mission fails, no sense using it.

How did it work out having 2 devourers and shooting psychic powers? Did having to decide which guns to shoot ever matter?

Panurgle- Thanks! From the start I figureed my best chance at beating you was to cast paroxysm on your termies then charge it with dual tervies, but I just couldn't pull it off throught Njal. I think crushing claws could be a really good idea for my outflanking tervie, I'd probably drop the toxin sacs from my stealers for it.

I'm not a fan of regen only because lets say you bring him down to 1 wound then I roll 5 dice get maybe one 6 (statistically) and I'm back up to 2. Then if you did 5 wounds in 1 round It's not going to be hard to do just 2 more.

I don't know what his more competitive list was but the list he ran, and the way the mission was played, I felt like I was in total control of the game the entire time. I do suggest to him maybe drop 1 unit of pathfinders and grab more fire He seemes to have nothing that could hurt my monsters aside from his one unit of them.

I wasn't aware my 5th round opponent was a gt winner. I mean I knew beating Marc Parker was a feat, but 2 gt winners in 1 tournament, now I feel special

Dashofpepper- Hey yeah I had a feeling that was who you were on dakka but I didn't really want to ask. Hopefully some point through the gt season we'll get a chance to play.

Darkness- Not once, If I had range and a decent target I would do parxysm and devourers. In all other cases I did 2 devourers.

yo jailbait!

You posting from a high school pc?

Seriously though I dont think you can honestly claim you beat Marc Parker, especially since he actually scored more battlepoints (2nd + 3rd > 1st). Anyways not bad for a kid!

mikhaila wrote:

olympia wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:It wasn't an uproar. More think friendly advice Olymdick. Stop making mountains out of molehills.

G

Where there is no drama there is no fun! Nevertheless, my point still stands about the idiocy of making up "fun, wacky!!" missions.

And I take your points so very seriously! Especially when the first one accuses me of cheating since he wasn't a local.

You can go see the comments about mission four on the other thread. The comments I got at the tourney were on Saturday night, while we were all down at the bar together. A couple of people mentioned it was a tough mission still. A couple of others said it was playable, but necessarily fun. I'm sitting in the bar with a bunch of new friends, and they tell me something isn't fun, so I want to fix it. Got up early, ran to the store and dug up a new mission, and got the sheets printed out before people showed up for game four.

It's a tournament, it should be enjoyable to play the games. If that mission fails, no sense using it.

Oly is wacky himself! So he is kind of an expert.



G

Round 3
Opponent Deadshane and his sisters/IG
Mission- victiry points, you get 2 battle points for every 150 you kill, it doesn't matter how much you have left alive, you get half vp's for immobilizing a tank or bringing a unit to half.
Deployment- pitched battle

His list
cannoness- cannoness stuff

cannoness- cannoness stuff

20 sisters- evicerater 2 meltas priest

20 sisters- evicerater 2 meltas priest

guard platoon
PCS
4 infantry squads 4 auto cannons (combined squads)
3 auto cannon heavy weapon teams.

excorcist

excorcist

excorcist

So this was the listt that petrified me last year with my nids at the necro. And, now I play it just 8 months and a new book later and I think I should have this in the bag.

I win the roll for first and give it to him. He deploys all castled up in gun line form in the center. I leave everything in reserve to deep strike/outflank/walk on.

His first 2 turns he just stands around. So my bottom of 2 things start showing up.

My Turn 2
I get my flyrant 1 trygons both zoanthropes the out flanking tervie both stealers and both gants. The gants walk on, the stealers ad tervie all hit one side and run for it. Trygon goes in the center but hiding behind some rocks. Tyrant goes in the center but a bit further back. Zoanthropes go right in front and explode and excorcist and weapon destroy another.

His Turn 3
1 sister squad charges 1 squad of zoanthropes and kills it. His army shoots at the ountlanking tervigon but only manages to do 2 wound, between the excorcist rolling 1's to wound and FNP for auto cannons.

My Turn 3
Trygon comes in on the opposite flank to the one that all my out flankers are on. deathleaper pops up behind an excorcist. tervie runs up behind the gants which move up the center. Flyrant moves back to stay out of ccombat for now. My tervigon poops out 11 gants with doubles who charg his platoon along with the stealers and trygon. I kill around 25 guardsmen and hes stubborn so he stays.

His Turn 4
his excorsist shoots my tervigon and with 1 team of auto cannons he kills it. 1 auto cannon team pops my lictor and the other does nothing to my trygon. His weapon destroyed excorcist moves 12" away from my trygon but it's not far enough. Both squads of sisters charge in and pull thee other unit of zoanthropes into it also. All said and done I have like 3 or 4 gants left and 4 stealers and the trygon is dow to one or 2 wounds, while killing 6 sisters who didn't use litanies.

My Turn 4
Flyrant charges into the guard platoon and with the trygon finish them off to get full points fo that unit. BUT he thought m tyrant would charg one of his sister squad so ho used litanies on them which did nothing whatsoever since I charged and focuses the trygons attacks on the guard squad. My 2 squads of gants and another 11 that the walking tervie pops out (no doubles) charge in and kill 13 or so sisters from the unti that used littanies. His other sister squad was only fighting gants and the zoanthropes and well they killed 5 gants... My trygon charged the weaponless excorcist and killed it.

His Turn 5
shoot everything at the tyrgon hes down to 3 then lose the rest of his slaughtered sister unit in combat, but he does manage to kill the trygon. So at the end its flyrant 26ish gants and 4 stealers vs 20 sisters and a cannoness.

My Turn 5
trygon charges his okay excorcist and kills is. Terrvie moves up to make the gants awesome again and between that and the tyrants preffered enemy he only has 4 or 5 sisters left.

His Turn 6
His auto cannons bring my trygon to 1 wound. And his sister die.

My Turn 6
I kill his 3 auto cannon teams and PCS and hes tabled.

So I max otu for 22 but he killed about 1100 points of my army and so he still gets 12

That puts me 8th in battle points going into round 4, not bad since I'm shooting for best general.

Next Round space puppies!

Green Blow Fly wrote:yo jailbait!

You posting from a high school pc?

Seriously though I dont think you can honestly claim you beat Marc Parker, especially since he actually scored more battlepoints (2nd + 3rd > 1st). Anyways not bad for a kid!

mikhaila wrote:

olympia wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:It wasn't an uproar. More think friendly advice Olymdick. Stop making mountains out of molehills.

G

Where there is no drama there is no fun! Nevertheless, my point still stands about the idiocy of making up "fun, wacky!!" missions.

And I take your points so very seriously! Especially when the first one accuses me of cheating since he wasn't a local.

You can go see the comments about mission four on the other thread. The comments I got at the tourney were on Saturday night, while we were all down at the bar together. A couple of people mentioned it was a tough mission still. A couple of others said it was playable, but necessarily fun. I'm sitting in the bar with a bunch of new friends, and they tell me something isn't fun, so I want to fix it. Got up early, ran to the store and dug up a new mission, and got the sheets printed out before people showed up for game four.

It's a tournament, it should be enjoyable to play the games. If that mission fails, no sense using it.

Olylimpdick is wacky himself! So he is kind of an expert.



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Modquisition on:

GBF watch the jailbait note as that serious trolling unless you know him. For a proper revisit of jailbait I suggest a review of the guidelines noted in the DCM side NSFW thread. in fact I suggest we all review that thread.

Good job versus the sisters. One thing about that list is once you seen it its not that bad.

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