Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]

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**punisher357**

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:
A 2+ save and the ability to portal engaged infantry units without drawback.

That's all it needs and should have had.

Not for 381 pts.... not in my opinion or my gaming group

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I'm really liking the dda though. Great support unit. Im looking forward to trying the mephrit code with a few ghost arks, warrior blobs, and dda's

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However, I think mephrit will be fairly limited in usefulness from a competitive standpoint

**Slayer-Fan123**

punisher357 wrote:
Angusman wrote:
What is your opinion on the monolith?

It's ridiculously overcosted for what it does....has a lot of wounds, but its save is easily bypassed and it doesn't have quantum shielding, it's slow, living metal on it does nothing, and it's weapons are all 24 inch range.

It's nearly 1/5 of your army as far as points go.....just not worth it. It doesn't really do anything well

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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Or a 2+ save. Like what land raiders have.

What's a land raider cost and how many wounds?

Land Raiders are like 300+ points.

**MrPieChee**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Land Raiders are like 300+ points.

And aren't land raiders unused because they cost too much? The chaos tactics thread certainly thinks so...

Giving the monolith the necron signature vehicle rule: quantum shielding, would go a long way. And then making it's living metal d3 would probably be enough. Assuming an faq let's us move units disembarking like a transport...

**sieGermans**

Maelstrom808 wrote:
Keep in mind the default is to roll and resolve shots and attacks one at a time. Rolling them all at once or batch rolling is simply a time saving mechanism for when all the attacks are the same. In the case of entropic strike, you'd roll the first attack separately, then roll the rest. Pretty simple.

Now should entropic strike affect all attacks? Yeah, just one is a little weak, but that's what GW wanted *shrug*.

Oh gosh. That makes the Novokh Stratagem so much worse than I thought. It says “the unit may make a second attack this round”. I’ve been giving them their whole attack profile again! Whoops!

**torblind**

Anpu-adom wrote:
torblind wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Or a 2+ save. Like what land raiders have.

A quick rules question, Pharons Will, letting an overlord give MWBD one more time, happens after he has given MWBT to the first unit, in the beginning of the turn. Not being in the movement phase yet, does that mean that stratagem can be cast again, for another overlord?

First, I’ll need to say that I don’t completely understand what you mean. MWBD is not a psychic power, and so there is no ‘cast’ limit of one per turn. It’s not an AoS command ability either. If you have three overlords, you get to boost three units a turn.
The restriction is on targeting the same unit, which you can’t under any circumstances.

See how I say 'stratagem cast again'? Stratagems are certainly limited, once per phase according to rules.

**Jackers**

sieGermans wrote:
Maelstrom808 wrote:
Keep in mind the default is to roll and resolve shots and attacks one at a time. Rolling them all at once or batch rolling is simply a time saving mechanism for when all the attacks are the same. In the case of entropic strike, you'd roll the first attack separately, then roll the rest. Pretty simple.

Now should entropic strike affect all attacks? Yeah, just one is a little weak, but that's what GW wanted *shrug*.

Oh gosh. That makes the Novokh Stratagem so much worse than I thought. It says “the unit may make a second attack this round”. I’ve been giving them their whole attack profile again! Whoops!

I think the Novokh strat does work that way. it uses the phrase 'fights again', rather than 'makes another attack'. 'Fights again' means that they do a full fight phase again.

**Slayer-Fan123**

MrPieChee wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Land Raiders are like 300+ points.

And aren't land raiders unused because they cost too much? The chaos tactics thread certainly thinks so...

Giving the monolith the necron signature vehicle rule: quantum shielding, would go a long way. And then making it's living metal d3 would probably be enough. Assuming an faq let's us move units disembarking like a transport...

It's because they're blech at transporting and shooting. Cut off 50 points and I might take another look. Until then, nada.

**torblind**

Jackers wrote:
sieGermans wrote:
Maelstrom808 wrote:
Keep in mind the default is to roll and resolve shots and attacks one at a time. Rolling them all at once or batch rolling is simply a time saving mechanism for when all the attacks are the same. In the case of entropic strike, you'd roll the first attack separately, then roll the rest. Pretty simple.

Now should entropic strike affect all attacks? Yeah, just one is a little weak, but that's what GW wanted *shrug*.

Oh gosh. That makes the Novokh Stratagem so much worse than I thought. It says “the unit may make a second attack this round”. I’ve been giving them their whole attack profile again! Whoops!

I think the Novokh strat does work that way. it uses the phrase 'fights again', rather than 'makes another attack'. 'Fights again' means that they do a full fight phase again.

Are you talking about differnt stratagems?

one lets you ignore invul save for one attack roll.

another lets you activate a unit to fight again in the fight phase.

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... Which is pretty awesome btw, charge 20 flayed ones into 60 orks, have them chop through 30 of them, play the stratagem and have them chop through the 30 remaining.

**Jackers**

I assumed he was talking about the Novokh specific stratagem, but using the Entropic strike stratagem as a reference.

**amnz**

How do you guys see Nihilakh? Is it any good as a dinasty? Doomsday Arks with the bonus could be nasty, but I'm not sure if I'd go for a full list of this dinasty.

**torblind**

amnz wrote:
How do you guys see Nihilakh? Is it any good as a dinasty? Doomsday Arks with the bonus could be nasty, but I'm not sure if I'd go for a full list of this dinasty.

I think its ok, ill probably play it in friendly games. it has the nice +1 Sv +1 A stratagem too, ie you could catapult up 6 wratihs, have them sit there untouchable with 4A and 2++ , all the while pumping DDark shells at reroll 1s to hit.

I'm currently debating in YMDC if that stratagem can be cast multiple times since its at the end of turn, ie not in any phase, and thus shouldnt have the "once per phase" limitation.

Also the 5+++ relic with reroll-a-die is useful.

The trait, letting your warlord fight first, is ok against if cc oriented lists I suppose, daemons, nids, deathguard, perhaps DE. but CC specialist characters probably slay out characters easily anyway.

**sieGermans**

Jackers wrote:
I assumed he was talking about the Novokh specific stratagem, but using the Entropic strike stratagem as a reference.

Aye, this.

**Anpu-adom**

torblind wrote:
Anpu-adom wrote:
torblind wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Or a 2+ save. Like what land raiders have.

A quick rules question, Pharons Will, letting an overlord give MWBD one more time, happens after he has given MWBT to the first unit, in the beginning of the turn. Not being in the movement phase yet, does that mean that stratagem can be cast again, for another overlord?

First, I’ll need to say that I don’t completely understand what you mean. MWBD is not a psychic power, and so there is no ‘cast’ limit of one per turn. It’s not an AoS command ability either. If you have three overlords, you get to boost three units a turn.
The restriction is on targeting the same unit, which you can’t under any circumstances.

See how I say 'stratagem cast again'? Stratagems are certainly limited, once per phase according to rules.

Thanks for the clarification. If you could somehow use MWBD in multiple phases, then you would be able to use Pharon’s Will twice in a turn.

**Nagerash**

https://diceshot.com/2018/04/26/necrons-d-bilzs-lists/

Apparently this list became 1st at a tournament. I can't really see how. It doesn't look that good to me, or am I missing something?

**skoffs**

Nagerash wrote:
https://diceshot.com/2018/04/26/necrons-d-bilzs-lists/

Apparently this list became 1st at a tournament. I can't really see how. It doesn't look that good to me, or am I missing something?

Ugh, that looks... head scratchingly awkward.
Don't suppose there's any video of that player's games. I'd want to see what he was doing that managed to make that work.

**Doctoralex**

Lol, imagine the Anhil. Barge secretly being our best unit, but everyone thinks it's a pile of gag so it never gets used xD

**Moosatronic Warrior**

I guess the 3 units of 3 destroyers moved with the DLord so that they got to reroll 1s to hit and wound rather than relying on the strat. But yeah that list just looks bad.

**Cheeslord**

Nagerash wrote:
https://diceshot.com/2018/04/26/necrons-d-bilzs-lists/

Apparently this list became 1st at a tournament. I can't really see how. It doesn't look that good to me, or am I missing something?

maybe he was good at playing the game?

Mark.

**Moosatronic Warrior**

Doctoralex wrote:
Lol, imagine the Anhil. Barge secretly being our best unit, but everyone thinks it's a pile of gag so it never gets used xD

I've actually been reasonably happy with Anni barges when I've used them in a Sautek detachment. The Gauss Cannon is a really good gun when it can hit on 3's and the Tesla Destructor can put out a lot of shots when Methodical Destruction is in play. They're also fast and quite tough. It does seem like their points would always be better split between Destroyers and Tesla Tomb Blades though.

That list is probably not as bad as I first thought but it does seem to lack anti-horde and a way to punch through units with good invul saves.

Edit: yeah 1 Destroyer and 3 Tesla Tomb Blades with shields are 155 so about the same cost as an anni barge but better IMO. Not that much better though hmm...

**Waaghboss Grobnub**

I personally think Anni barges are great. I run them full Tesla and shoot infantry and light vehicles off the table like its nothing. They even fare reasonably well vs Tougher units. But it seems to me that anything that isn't low/med cost AND kills something per turn is rated as trash these days.

**Moosatronic Warrior**

A list with Anni Barges then:

Spoiler:

Doesn't seem terrible. Lots of small fast units for objectives and screening. A boat load of Tesla with the option to Methodically destroy. 9 Gauss Cannons and 2 DDAs for the tough stuff.

Edit: Added the Abyssal staff to trigger Methodical Destruction.

**iGuy91**

Nagerash wrote:
https://diceshot.com/2018/04/26/necrons-d-bilzs-lists/

Apparently this list became 1st at a tournament. I can't really see how. It doesn't look that good to me, or am I missing something?

How the gak...
Anyone know what other lists were in the tournament? This looks like a list that would be solid for a casual sort of play, but not for tournament play.

**Requizen**

iGuy91 wrote:
Nagerash wrote:
https://diceshot.com/2018/04/26/necrons-d-bilzs-lists/

Apparently this list became 1st at a tournament. I can't really see how. It doesn't look that good to me, or am I missing something?

How the gak...
Anyone know what other lists were in the tournament? This looks like a list that would be solid for a casual sort of play, but not for tournament play.

Mmm I dunno, it's farily well rounded imo. Sure you don't have a big unit of Destroyers for Extermination Protocols, but they're fairly killy in their own right and have a DLord for babysitting/rerolling wounds. DDark can put down hurt as well. A few things that are suboptimal but it's a pretty interesting MSU list that could play well if you have the experience with it.

**torblind**

Anpu-adom wrote:
torblind wrote:
Anpu-adom wrote:
torblind wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Or a 2+ save. Like what land raiders have.

A quick rules question, Pharons Will, letting an overlord give MWBD one more time, happens after he has given MWBT to the first unit, in the beginning of the turn. Not being in the movement phase yet, does that mean that stratagem can be cast again, for another overlord?

First, I’ll need to say that I don’t completely understand what you mean. MWBD is not a psychic power, and so there is no ‘cast’ limit of one per turn. It’s not an AoS command ability either. If you have three overlords, you get to boost three units a turn.
The restriction is on targeting the same unit, which you can’t under any circumstances.

See how I say 'stratagem cast again'? Stratagems are certainly limited, once per phase according to rules.

Thanks for the clarification. If you could somehow use MWBD in multiple phases, then you would be able to use Pharon’s Will twice in a turn.

I agree, so far so good, question is, is "beginning of turn" in a phase? (ie movement phase), if not, the once-a-phase limitation wouldnt be in effect. Much like the deepstrike stratagem which you can do many times since its not in a phase yet.

**Maelstrom808**

sieGermans wrote:
Maelstrom808 wrote:
Keep in mind the default is to roll and resolve shots and attacks one at a time. Rolling them all at once or batch rolling is simply a time saving mechanism for when all the attacks are the same. In the case of entropic strike, you'd roll the first attack separately, then roll the rest. Pretty simple.

Now should entropic strike affect all attacks? Yeah, just one is a little weak, but that's what GW wanted *shrug*.

Oh gosh. That makes the Novokh Stratagem so much worse than I thought. It says “the unit may make a second attack this round”. I’ve been giving them their whole attack profile again! Whoops!

As has been pointed out, that is not what Blood Rites says.

**sieGermans**

Maelstrom808 wrote:
sieGermans wrote:
Maelstrom808 wrote:
Keep in mind the default is to roll and resolve shots and attacks one at a time. Rolling them all at once or batch rolling is simply a time saving mechanism for when all the attacks are the same. In the case of entropic strike, you'd roll the first attack separately, then roll the rest. Pretty simple.

Now should entropic strike affect all attacks? Yeah, just one is a little weak, but that's what GW wanted *shrug*.

Oh gosh. That makes the Novokh Stratagem so much worse than I thought. It says “the unit may make a second attack this round”. I’ve been giving them their whole attack profile again! Whoops!

As has been pointed out, that is not what Blood Rites says.

Having returned home and check3 the Codex, I see this is correct. Thank you.

**Dynas**

DarknessEternal wrote:
Dynas wrote:

Lychguard with Warcythe and Disruption Field become S8, AP-4; that’s wound T7 on 2’s good for vehicles and MC w/o invuls.

How are they wounding T7 on a 2?

Typo. Edited to 3's. Should have proofread better.

**EnTyme**

punisher357 wrote:
Halfpast_Yellow wrote:
A 2+ save and the ability to portal engaged infantry units without drawback.

That's all it needs and should have had.

Not for 381 pts.... not in my opinion or my gaming group

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I'm really liking the dda though. Great support unit. Im looking forward to trying the mephrit code with a few ghost arks, warrior blobs, and dda's

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However, I think mephrit will be fairly limited in usefulness from a competitive standpoint

Mephrit code on a DDA seems like overkill. How often will a -5 AP really come into play? Most things with a 2+ also have an invuln. If you have a DDA in a Mephrit list, the code isn't going to hurt anything, I just don't know that it's helping anything either.

Doctoralex wrote:Lol, imagine the Anhil. Barge secretly being our best unit, but everyone thinks it's a pile of gag so it never gets used xD

Things that look bad on paper often end up working well in practice. I plan to build the Annihilation Barge from the new SC kit since I already have a CCB. May as well use it and see what it does.

**Dynas**

torblind wrote:
Dynas wrote:
Came up with a few combos.

Nasty Character Killer
Catacomb Command Barge--Nihilik, Timesplitter Cloak Artifact for 5+++, Honorable Combatant WLT for D3 atks vs characters; Void blade grants 3+1+D3 attacks; use Nihilik stratagem get another attack (now min 6-8); 4+++ FnP save. Most WL characters have an invul so I am not to concerned about the lower AP weapon; though there are still plenty of juicy target. He has quantum shielding for high damage weapons, and FnP for everything and Mortal wounds. You can always use Quantum Deflection Stratagem in a pinch. Not to mention, bring a Canoptek Spyder or Cryptek Cloak or both for D3 wounds. This guy just wont die.

Or take Novokh and the Novokh scythe for another D3 Attacks (3+D3+D3) and can always fight again. Rerolling failed hit rolls. Gaining slightly more attacks but losing the invul save.

Just some good combo’s I came across. Anyone see any others with units/stragems/relics?

I'm pretty sure that +1 to save rolls won't affect your 5+++ FnP save.

Why wouldn't it? It says on a 5+ ignore wounds. This would be taken after armor/invul saves.

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MrPieChee wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Land Raiders are like 300+ points.

And aren't land raiders unused because they cost too much? The chaos tactics thread certainly thinks so...

Giving the monolith the necron signature vehicle rule: quantum shielding, would go a long way. And then making it's living metal d3 would probably be enough. Assuming an faq let's us move units disembarking like a transport...

Agreed give it quantum shielding.

You can always hide a Cryptek with Cloak and a Spyder behind it out of LoS to heal 2D3 each round. You could also drop/move it on an objective and essentially Body block anyone from getting within 3" of the objective. I think the model is big enough to do this. Enemy tries to move troops in for objective secured, but it wont matter because they cant reach it.

**punisher357**

EnTyme wrote:
punisher357 wrote:
Halfpast_Yellow wrote:
A 2+ save and the ability to portal engaged infantry units without drawback.

That's all it needs and should have had.

Not for 381 pts.... not in my opinion or my gaming group

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I'm really liking the dda though. Great support unit. Im looking forward to trying the mephrit code with a few ghost arks, warrior blobs, and dda's

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However, I think mephrit will be fairly limited in usefulness from a competitive standpoint

Mephrit code on a DDA seems like overkill. How often will a -5 AP really come into play? Most things with a 2+ also have an invuln. If you have a DDA in a Mephrit list, the code isn't going to hurt anything, I just don't know that it's helping anything either.

Doctoralex wrote:Lol, imagine the Anhil. Barge secretly being our best unit, but everyone thinks it's a pile of gag so it never gets used xD

Things that look bad on paper often end up working well in practice. I plan to build the Annihilation Barge from the new SC kit since I already have a CCB. May as well use it and see what it does.

Mephrit would help with it's gauss flayers.....it would make them much more effective and now that the low power weapon profile has been improved I think it's more applicable than ever

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I think that what gets overlooked with anni barges is that they don't degrade. You have destroyers and better units at full strength....however, a unit of destroyers takes 3 wounds and loses 3 shots if RP is failed.

The anni barge continues trucking along at optimal strength until it's dead.