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I suppose you more vigilant out there have already noticed the newly released flash git (with targeting squig) model. I saw it on the GW site, got excited that new rules may have been issued and, when I found myself to be incorrect, was much disappointed.

This leads me to ask two related questions. One, when Games Workshop wrote the rules for Flash Gits, what were they thinking? Two, when they modeled and cast a figurine nobody wanted (except collectors), once again, what where they thinking?

perhaps they didn't realize how good they made Lootas...

thunderingjove wrote:I suppose you more vigilant out there have already noticed the newly released flash git (with targeting squig) model. I saw it on the GW site, got excited that new rules may have been issued and, when I found myself to be incorrect, was much disappointed.

This leads me to ask two related questions. One, when Games Workshop wrote the rules for Flash Gits, what were they thinking? Two, when they modeled and cast a figurine nobody wanted (except collectors), once again, what where they thinking?

When the master dangles a carrot from a string in front of the donkey's nose, he doesn't expect the donkey to know it's rotten, especially when the donkey hasn't eaten for weeks.

It might mean more if the fig they released was actually a Flash Git, but as it doesn't really match any of the descriptions of what one looks like, it's just a new Nob fig.

thunderingjove wrote:Two, when they modeled and cast a figurine nobody wanted (except collectors), once again, what where they thinking?

When they created a new direct-exclusive model aimed at collectors, they were probably thinking 'This will be a model that collectors might want to buy...'

Aduro wrote:It might mean more if the fig they released was actually a Flash Git, but as it doesn't really match any of the descriptions of what one looks like, it's just a new Nob fig.

Yeah, your right, with a "targeting squig." I mean, sounds cute and orky, but where the hell is that in the rule set?


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insaniak wrote:
When they created a new direct-exclusive model aimed at collectors, they were probably thinking 'This will be a model that collectors might want to buy...'

Sure, I could see that. But wouldn't it be more profitable to aim at the players who would by ten times the product with a better set of rules?

If they were aiming at the core market, it would have been a standard release.

The direct-exclusive releases are limited-run figures that they don't think will sell well enough to justify a general release, or that they release just for something a little different for those who want them.


There are any number of units in the game about which it could be argued that they would sell better if they had better rules. That has nothing to do with how GW market their collectors miniatures.

Yeah, your right, with a "targeting squig." I mean, sounds cute and orky, but where the hell is that in the rule set?

How about in the ork rulebook under Flashgitz?

FG get some piece of wargear called a 'gitfinder' that lets them measure to models to check range, before they decide what to target.
Might be a telescopic sight, then again, could be a special squig.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I personally like the figure and am painting it up to go with my FG mob. He does need a fancy hat though, to fit in properly.

Here is a theory from me ^-^

Ppl arnt buying enough Nob Boxes.

They buy AOBR nobs , and given left over power claw from Ork Boys box set
which the arms are generally unused because the bodys are given to loota and burnas.
Which there were abundance of Ork Boys because people usually use cheaper AOBR ones.

In other words , they wish to push the customers to make their own new dakka Nobs
by showing you an ugly one they made.

mikhaila wrote:Yeah, your right, with a "targeting squig." I mean, sounds cute and orky, but where the hell is that in the rule set?

How about in the ork rulebook under Flashgitz?

FG get some piece of wargear called a 'gitfinder' that lets them measure to models to check range, before they decide what to target.
Might be a telescopic sight, then again, could be a special squig.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I personally like the figure and am painting it up to go with my FG mob. He does need a fancy hat though, to fit in properly.

Quote the fluff: "Flash Gitz have expensive and overly elaborate targeters hardwired into their eye sockets." [Italics added.] While I'll grant you it's a cute touch to put a squig-sighter on a model, and deserving of praise from a converter who conceived it, my comment certainly doesn't justify your snarky rhetorical (and canonically incorrect) question. Likewise, this is not a question of "liking it" or "buying it," but a question about what motivates Games Workshops releases and rules-writings.

I would rather they released those awesome Pathfinders one of their applicants did as a test sculpt if they're going to release odd things like this.

thunderingjove wrote:

mikhaila wrote:Yeah, your right, with a "targeting squig." I mean, sounds cute and orky, but where the hell is that in the rule set?

How about in the ork rulebook under Flashgitz?

FG get some piece of wargear called a 'gitfinder' that lets them measure to models to check range, before they decide what to target.
Might be a telescopic sight, then again, could be a special squig.

Don't like it, don't buy it. I personally like the figure and am painting it up to go with my FG mob. He does need a fancy hat though, to fit in properly.

Quote the fluff: "Flash Gitz have expensive and overly elaborate targeters hardwired into their eye sockets." [Italics added.] While I'll grant you it's a cute touch to put a squig-sighter on a model, and deserving of praise from a converter who conceived it, my comment certainly doesn't justify your snarky rhetorical (and canonically incorrect) question. Likewise, this is not a question of "liking it" or "buying it," but a question about what motivates Games Workshops releases and rules-writings.

Sorry, wasn't even attempting to be snarky. On the otherhand, it might be the internet, and reading too much into posts. You're entire original post comes off as very snarky to me. Something like "I don't like this model, and since I don't like it, let's question the intelligence of the company making it."

The phrase "canonically incorrect" is funny as hell though. Orks don't care about what you feel to be 'Cannon'. I like to model my Flashgitz along the lines of the Freebooters book from 20 years ago.

How exactly is it 'ugly'? I think it is a cool little model.

thunderingjove wrote:I suppose you more vigilant out there have already noticed the newly released flash git (with targeting squig) model. I saw it on the GW site, got excited that new rules may have been issued and, when I found myself to be incorrect, was much disappointed.

This leads me to ask two related questions. One, when Games Workshop wrote the rules for Flash Gits, what were they thinking? Two, when they modeled and cast a figurine nobody wanted (except collectors), once again, what where they thinking?

This is pointless, Flash gitz have decent enough rules and make for an exciting conversion prospect, the flash git with squig, I think, is a great character with a lot of personality, thus making converting large units easier.

Urgh, sometimes I don't get why people bother using an invalid argument. Just because you don't like Flash Gitz does not make them bad. The new model has plenty of character, and if you don't like it, don't bloody buy it.

thunderingjove wrote:

Quote the fluff: "Flash Gitz have expensive and overly elaborate targeters hardwired into their eye sockets." [Italics added.] While I'll grant you it's a cute touch to put a squig-sighter on a model, and deserving of praise from a converter who conceived it, my comment certainly doesn't justify your snarky rhetorical (and canonically incorrect) question. Likewise, this is not a question of "liking it" or "buying it," but a question about what motivates Games Workshops releases and rules-writings.

Nowhere does it say that all GW minis must be constructed so that they match their unit's fluff in every single way. This is how people are able to build Knight-clas Titans using Leman Russ rules.
The "wired into the eye socket" thing is a generalization, and although most FG probably use them, there is nothing at all that prevents one from using a squig.
I mean, come on. They use squigs for hair. Why not for scopes?

That is nothing but the truth.

thunderingjove wrote:One, when Games Workshop wrote the rules for Flash Gits, what were they thinking?

Right there is your mistake. You assumed they were thinking...

haha

mikhaila wrote:

Sorry, wasn't even attempting to be snarky. On the otherhand, it might be the internet, and reading too much into posts. You're entire original post comes off as very snarky to me. Something like "I don't like this model, and since I don't like it, let's question the intelligence of the company making it."

The phrase "canonically incorrect" is funny as hell though. Orks don't care about what you feel to be 'Cannon'. I like to model my Flashgitz along the lines of the Freebooters book from 20 years ago.

No worries. Honestly, text media opens itself to this sort of misrepresentation. People read posts in their own voice, not in that of the original author. But what they really do, is half-read, then fill what they pass with their impressions, which is very frustrating from earnest prospective of somebody who writes deliberately and with some care for the language. However, what kills me is when people default to sass. It's a pose that's never helpful and always betrays a poor character. This phenomenon is as common at dakkadakka as it is in the game room, and I'm just as quick to check it here as there.

Biovore & 'Eadbreaker, I'll sort through your posts together, as they are related. Clearly, neither of you read or read very closely before you post: as I wrote, I actually think that the model is fun and attractive. My question in the original post, which Insaniak did a good job answering, was why make a model when few would buy it barring the release of a new ruleset for flash gits. Most people don't much care for how flash gits operate; you two do: however, if Games Workshop wanted to make money, why only appeal to you two?

Now, nobody has answered my first question: that is, what was GW thinking when they wrote the rules for flash gits? It seems they wanted something that was both shooty and sluggy, something that could take some wounds and earn some saves. However, flash gits do none of these things: they're guns are unimpressive; their wargear cannot be diversified; they're assaults little better than slugga boys with no power-klaw nob; their woulds can't be cheese-allocated; they take up a heavy slot, but have no dedicated transport. You may answer that GW was being thoughtless. Maybe. But they do seem clever enough most of the time. So, once again, what where they thinking when they wrote these rules?

I think the Flash Git rules suck and GW didn't think at all about what they were doing (this being par for the course, so...).

On top of that I find the so-called Flash Git model to be an insult to our intelligence. I'll bet anybody that GW will never release a "real" Flash Git model, instead referring to this ugly lame monstrosity as their excuse.

Meanwhile JJ will sit in his ivory tower and delude himself into thinking that "we support the existing range".

*shakes head sadly*

Flash gits are sadly overpriced for this gen. Disregarding points, they can be effective, but you can't disregard points unless your kunnin' plan is to have 2000 points on the field in a 1500 game and hope no one catches on. If they were going to do anything for the Gitz, model-wise, all they had to do was make a $15 "Flash Gitz Upgrade Sprue" with five heads, gun arms, and some bits for 'Eavy Armor and a painboy, and let you use the Nob box for the rest.

The new model is fun and I might pick it up and use as a Big Mek with a shoota since I sometimes run one with my shoota boyz and another gun is never bad, but not as a Flash Git.

Skarboy wrote:Flash gits are sadly overpriced for this gen. Disregarding points, they can be effective, but you can't disregard points unless your kunnin' plan is to have 2000 points on the field in a 1500 game and hope no one catches on.

Hilarious.

But still, assuming that Games Workshop allocates points in a rational manner, what were they thinking when they wrote the new rules? [I'm almost tempted to write some alternate rules, but this would be the wrong forum for it.]

They basically wanted your basic tank with chaingun type image from what I can see. I use mine for headshotting Mephiston.

thunderingjove wrote:One, when Games Workshop wrote the rules for Flash Gits, what were they thinking?

They probably thought they had a fun idea for a new unit. And it is a fun idea with fun fluff behind it. It's even usable and you might have moderate success with them at a tournament, although there will be no more slack in your list.

thunderingjove wrote:Two, when they modeled and cast a figurine nobody wanted (except collectors), once again, what where they thinking?

They're probably catering to the part of the market that simply paints and collects and doesn't care about tournaments at all.

thunderingjove wrote:This leads me to ask two related questions. One, when Games Workshop wrote the rules for Flash Gits, what were they thinking?

People use the unit in appoc. That's probably all they thought about. "Hrm, flash gitz were in the old codex, we've got no model for it, lets make them extra nobz, give people an excuse to buy the Badrukk model and make an army of nobz!"

Two, when they modeled and cast a figurine nobody wanted (except collectors), once again, what where they thinking?

They must be reading 40Kenthusiast's battle-reports!!!

I think the gnashing and worrying going on this thread is a bit much, though. Flash gitz certainly aren't worth the points paid, but they're the only such unit in the Ork codex. Among the rest of the book, while units might not be equal, everything is useful in its own way. Having one unit in a codex that isn't any good is a pretty reasonable strike rate, it's better than most other codices available, and much better than older ork codices.

I could probably agree with a complaint that flash gitz have been around for two decades now, so they're really should be some models available, but the exact opposite is going on here - people are complaining that a model has been released. If GW is releasing stuff you're free to buy it or not, so every GW release is a good thing as all it does is give you more options.

thunderingjove wrote:

Skarboy wrote:Flash gits are sadly overpriced for this gen. Disregarding points, they can be effective, but you can't disregard points unless your kunnin' plan is to have 2000 points on the field in a 1500 game and hope no one catches on.

Hilarious.

But still, assuming that Games Workshop allocates points in a rational manner, what were they thinking when they wrote the new rules? [I'm almost tempted to write some alternate rules, but this would be the wrong forum for it.]

I think they wanted an unpredictable unit capable of cutting through power armour, which is an interesting addition to the Ork codex. I think they wanted them sufficiently differentiated from the other units of boyz with special weapons like lootas and burnas, so they gave them nob stats, which is fair enough. They then considered them nobs with fancy guns, so they took the cost of a nob and added 5 points for the fancy gun.

The issue is that flash gitz don't have all the advantages of nobs, as they can't take all their assault options, or get the dedicated transport. Really the five point premium should be wiped, and their fancy guns be considered an even trade for losing all the gear regular nobs get.

Or they could stat gitz like regular boyz, and charge the same price as lootas and burnas.

Look on the bright side, if you take a unit of Flash Gitz that is one less Looted Wagon you'll be able to field.