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Yeah, those heavy weapons are awesome. They'll fit in well with my current Iron Warriors.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Not sure about the missile launcher.. if you're stomping about the battlefield, there's lots of potential for crap to get stuck in the ammo feed.

and no convenient way to reload either, a top mounted feed makes far more sense

I think they look great, especially that plasma gun... I prefer the underslung heavy weapons over the shoulder mounted

I will echo about the missile launcher

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
You know, the ones without which it's impossible to build loadout-matched units without extensive conversions.

Not to diminish your grievance, but you could just buy more and match weapon types without converting, provided you have deep enough pockets. Crappy solution, though, I know.

And I am still waiting on Vyronii decals that, via email, were said to be right around the corner. So, I somewhat feel your pain.

I'm pretty sure all weapon options aren't available though, so you couldn't do that even if you had the money.

I thought each 3-man pack had one of each... but I don't know AdMech/Taghmata that well. That seems crappy if there are missing options! FW has such a bizarre release schedule/priority. Like, why not drop the new book and everything in it at once? Like a real general release? I get that logistics might be hell, but... I mean, it has been some years now for a lot of this stuff. Or maybe just an ETA once in a while, instead of the typical secrecy pattern they inherited from GW.

The Secutors have one each for the Maxim Bolter, Phased Plasma Fusil and Graviton gun in the set. I have no idea if you can contact them and ask for a set with all the same weapons or not, but theirs no parts for the Volkite Charger or Irad-Cleanser yet. For the Destructors you get the Volkite Culverine, Irradiation Engine and Conversion Beamer but no Photon Thruster or Graviton Imploder.

I agree that their release schedule can be a bit bizare and it would certainly be nice to have all the weapon options available for the models they've already released, but I relaly wouldn't say they have a secrecey policy, I mean they've just recently shown off what they'll be working on for the next year or so, that a hell of a lot more than we got from GW main.

 Imateria wrote:

The Secutors have one each for the Maxim Bolter, Phased Plasma Fusil and Graviton gun in the set. I have no idea if you can contact them and ask for a set with all the same weapons or not, but theirs no parts for the Volkite Charger or Irad-Cleanser yet. For the Destructors you get the Volkite Culverine, Irradiation Engine and Conversion Beamer but no Photon Thruster or Graviton Imploder.

I agree that their release schedule can be a bit bizare and it would certainly be nice to have all the weapon options available for the models they've already released, but I relaly wouldn't say they have a secrecey policy, I mean they've just recently shown off what they'll be working on for the next year or so, that a hell of a lot more than we got from GW main.

Huh. Didn't know that.

Also, by secrecy I meant that you can email them and they give a general non-answer. I like that they do previews of what is coming and all, but it makes planning these (expensive) armies a bit tough sometimes. I don't want to start a project and spend a ton on conversions only to have official models release a week after that. Though I am a perfectionist, so that kinda is my issue.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

The Secutors have one each for the Maxim Bolter, Phased Plasma Fusil and Graviton gun in the set. I have no idea if you can contact them and ask for a set with all the same weapons or not, but theirs no parts for the Volkite Charger or Irad-Cleanser yet. For the Destructors you get the Volkite Culverine, Irradiation Engine and Conversion Beamer but no Photon Thruster or Graviton Imploder.

I agree that their release schedule can be a bit bizare and it would certainly be nice to have all the weapon options available for the models they've already released, but I relaly wouldn't say they have a secrecey policy, I mean they've just recently shown off what they'll be working on for the next year or so, that a hell of a lot more than we got from GW main.

Huh. Didn't know that.

Also, by secrecy I meant that you can email them and they give a general non-answer. I like that they do previews of what is coming and all, but it makes planning these (expensive) armies a bit tough sometimes. I don't want to start a project and spend a ton on conversions only to have official models release a week after that. Though I am a perfectionist, so that kinda is my issue.

What annoys me the most is that I have to get one of each instead of being able to buy 3 phased plasma fusil. So, I'm just gonna avoid that unit all together.

I'd like it better if the Lascannon were held as a giant sniper rifle, and the ML were shoulder fired. Oh, well.

I prefer shoulder mounted Lascannons and Missile launchers.

Whats the rumors (if any) about Cassian Dracos Reborn?

I like the new style of the HW, i see alot of potential in using them for Conversions for Imperial Guard or Necromunda.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'd like it better if the Lascannon were held as a giant sniper rifle, and the ML were shoulder fired. Oh, well.

Plenty of options out there for shoulder mounts and 2 handed heavy weapons.

 kronk wrote:
I prefer shoulder mounted Lascannons and Missile launchers.

I'm in the same boat. I always pictured the Lascannon as a high tech anti-material weapon. Firing it from the hip seems strange.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'd like it better if the Lascannon were held as a giant sniper rifle, and the ML were shoulder fired. Oh, well.

kronk wrote:I prefer shoulder mounted Lascannons and Missile launchers.

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I prefer shoulder mounted Lascannons and Missile launchers.

I'm in the same boat. I always pictured the Lascannon as a high tech anti-material weapon. Firing it from the hip seems strange.

Shoulder mounted lascannon and Proteus pattern missile launchers already exist:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NO/Legion-Missile-Launcher-Set


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NO/Legion-Lascannon-Set

Admittedly these are not held like rifles in the same way as the GW plastic Space Marine lascannons, but you could use the plastic ones.

The new kits are entirely for extra variety.

I would totally use those rotor cannons as heavy bolters. Those look awesome.

Cool. Thanks for the the link to the shoulder-mounted weapons.

 mechanicalhorizon wrote:
Is it just me, or is scale creep becoming more prevalent in GW models these days?

Everything seems to be getting even bigger, even some of the bases were increased in size for some models.

Aye - At this point we're hard pressed to claim that we're collecting miniatures. We're slowly, but surely, ascending to collecting... Well... Puppets and/or dolls.

Looks like the new guns are for the BaC box, so you can make your heavy weapon squads without needing special arms. Not sure they needed to do the ML, as that’s already in plastic, but it’s nice to have for completeness.

i really want that Chaos dwarf .. help?

Just a reminder that the shoulder mounted heavy weapons only work with the legion support squads and not the BaC marines unless you buy extra arms.

Quite a few people seem to make that mistake as its not that obvious.

 Rayvon wrote:
Quite a few people seem to make that mistake as its not that obvious.

It says so right there in the product description of those items, multiple times.

 Haighus wrote:

Shoulder mounted lascannon and Proteus pattern missile launchers already exist:

Oh, I'm aware. I have 2 or each sets. I just don't want them to go away for these hip-shot missile launchers...




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 Nevelon wrote:
Looks like the new guns are for the BaC box, so you can make your heavy weapon squads without needing special arms. Not sure they needed to do the ML, as that’s already in plastic, but it’s nice to have for completeness.

Oh. OK. That I get. Thanks.

 kronk wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

Shoulder mounted lascannon and Proteus pattern missile launchers already exist:

Oh, I'm aware. I have 2 or each sets. I just don't want them to go away for these hip-shot missile launcher...

The new ones haven't even been released yet so isn't this kinda premature?
Heck, maybe they'll make a matching set of "over the shoulder" weapons to fill out the range, like a shouldered volkite culverin or rotor cannon…

Oh yes I'd love a shoulder mounted heavy bolter without having to buy several of the set that includes a plasma cannon and special weapons too.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Quite a few people seem to make that mistake as its not that obvious.

It says so right there in the product description of those items, multiple times.

It always has done, yet people still made the same mistake.

Has there been a date for the 30K Solar and Cults red book yet?

Those new missile launchers though.

Something of a retro Space Crusade feel to them!

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Those new missile launchers though.

Something of a retro Space Crusade feel to them!

You mean the original RT plastic space marines


The space Crusade ones looked more like rocket launchers (or they were, i forgot)

Check the old school Blood Angels orange....

Hmm.

Lascannon is merely ok, not really feeling it.
Missile Launcher is awful and ridiculous.
Plasma cannon looks like he's going to do some serious hoovering!
Rotor cannon? Hell yeah. Easily the best of the bunch.

Personally the hip fired Las-cannons look a treat to me. I'm tempted to pick some up with MKIII for my iron warriors. But in all honesty I don't think I would ever use them. My heay support is always jammed full of tanks. lol

 Nevelon wrote:
Looks like the new guns are for the BaC box, so you can make your heavy weapon squads without needing special arms. Not sure they needed to do the ML, as that’s already in plastic, but it’s nice to have for completeness.

You would have to buy the box set 5 times to get enough ML to make a 10 man Heavy Support Squad of them.

For people building from the clath box, being able to quickly build a heavy weapon missle squad with these ML or you can put the other style in your vet squads helps alot for building a 30k army quickly with out breaking the bank to drastic.

If you want MKIV with the standard style ML you need to buy the MKIV heavy support squad and then buy the ML's. Haveing ML's that work with the plastics is great!

edit: I just noticed. The didn't glue the hand into the wrist on this model.