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The ice one is perhaps the strongest. Fireball and Chain Lightning are one-time damages, with fireball having a small burn time. Ice Storm ticks every second, allowing you to build up damage if the enemy is moving with it, or stays in it for 2 or so seconds.

It makes it decent against things with large footprints as well, like landed Dragons. Even staying still it'll take 2-3 seconds for the storm to pass completely through it.

Tell me about it, Ice Storm is insanely overpowered and being a Nord is no protection.

Can't frikkin wait for the first DLC to come out. I wonder what it will be about?

Dragons...

I'm hoping there is a DLC where we get to go back to the imperial city. That would be AWESOME.

Yeah, all the Dragons will be replaced with a flying Octopus creature called a Skingvang, Hydras will be a new monster that will randomly appear in the wilds, and a new awsome main quest will show up that will culminate with an epic battle that throws Solitude into the sea.

I want to be able to visit Akavir!

now that would be a great expansion.

heck with it, TES7 shall hearby be set in Akavir!

To be honest i was a much bigger fan of the alechemy in Oblivion. So much simpler, faster, and more fun. I live for the sound of that "Cha-tunk" when you you make a potion.
That, and maybe the old lockpicking. Im not sure which i like better, the new or old.


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And itd be nice to head somewhere... Warm... In skyrim XD. I need to turn up the heat every time i play XD

The new lock picking is certaintly more realistic but I do miss the auto complete option of Oblivion. Especially if I don't feel like wasting time with a chest.

Grey Templar wrote:The new lock picking is certaintly more realistic but I do miss the auto complete option of Oblivion. Especially if I don't feel like wasting time with a chest.

The old was much more Unique. Actually found it fun to pick locks. Now its just sort of a pain in the ass.
Thats really my only complaint thought, almost everything else is skyrim is amazing.

I like the new lockpicking (which is just the lockpicking from fallout) and the new alchemy better.

corpsesarefun wrote:I've not seen any AoE enchantments and very few AoE spells.

most of them are on staffs, which thus far in my playing, are not breakable.. so therefore we cant learn too many real AoE spells.

I don't seem capable of mapping a spell to left mouse button, anyone else getting this?

Have just played Skyrim for a few hours at a friends place, and found it awsome. So awsome that i had to make a 40k model about it.
"I uzd ta be in da WAAAAGH like you, tilz I got an arrow in da knee"

GalacticDefender wrote:Can't frikkin wait for the first DLC to come out. I wonder what it will be about?

Methinks there will be a floating city in it.

Nah, I'm thinking that'll be taken care of in the next novel.

Grey Templar wrote:now that would be a great expansion.

heck with it, TES7 shall hearby be set in Akavir!

You missed out TESVI

On the new lockpicking, I probably mentioned it before but I find it pretty damn easy. I've never once run out of lockpicks, and the only time i've ever used more than about 6 is on particularly annoying Master locks. Once you manage to find the general area of the sweet spot using light probing picks, you've more or less cracked it.

I detested the Oblivion lockpicking system, only when I got the Skeleton Key was it remotely tolerable (see: "Hmmm, a lock..." *auto-complete* x[insert number here] .

I must agree, the Oblivion lockpicking system was horribly annoying. Many times there were when I felt like smashing my controller into pieces.

Saw this and had to share. Problem is, the dragon needed to be purple.



Fixed it.

The funny thing is, once you figure out the trick to the Oblivion system, it's incredibly easy.

All you have to do is

I personally found the lock picking in Oblivion to be WAY to easy. Id never take it as a skill, and could pick the hardest of locks with very little effort. They all literally went with a little music number in my head.

Oh its a medium, so its la la PICK la la PICK
or Hard was say, la la laaaaa PICK la la PICK!!


I rather like Skyrims lock set up, it ranges from damn simple to rather tough. But I too never run out of picks, and normally only waste around 5 on a master or occasionally an expert, again its a groove thing. And if your the observant type, youll notice that each skill type is more or less always in the same area, but on either side of the lock. Like Masters IIRC are either just below the left top bolt or the right top bolt. And if its not, there was one other spot that it was ALWAYS at.

I cant rememebr that one, as I started a berserker type Orc, wearing the Fur armor that exposes his chest, and the rest will be the best heavy armor I can make, with Dual wielding of course, bright red war paint on his face. So far its been pretty damn fun, and keeping in character is making him to be rather interesting to play


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Anvildude wrote:The funny thing is, once you figure out the trick to the Oblivion system, it's incredibly easy.

All you have to do is

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tap them up until you get one that's incredibly fast coming down. The next 'tap' can be locked into place, without fail. You just need to recognize the speeds the tumblers fall.

Yup, that one works rather well too

KingCracker wrote:I personally found the lock picking in Oblivion to be WAY to easy. Id never take it as a skill, and could pick the hardest of locks with very little effort. They all literally went with a little music number in my head.

Oh its a medium, so its la la PICK la la PICK
or Hard was say, la la laaaaa PICK la la PICK!!

So basically just like Skyrim's?

Skyrim's lockpicking as arguably easier.

No way, Skyrims is easily harder then Oblivions. Oblivions was incredibly easy, I taught my son (whos 6 currently) the trick and he would blow through locks. Im not saying Skyrims is hair pulling hard, but its definitely harder then Oblivions

KingCracker wrote:Oblivions was incredibly easy

So is Skyrim's.

With a lockpicking skill of sixteen I was able to pick a master lock quite easily.

Player skill comes into the equation here.

If I have played skyrim for a very long time, or just have natural talent, and start a new character I will find the lockpicking to be really easy and can probably get by with only a few picks.

That said, I think the Skyrim system is more difficult as a baseline.

Grey Templar wrote:Player skill comes into the equation here.

If I have played skyrim for a very long time, or just have natural talent, and start a new character I will find the lockpicking to be really easy and can probably get by with only a few picks.

That said, I think the Skyrim system is more difficult as a baseline.

I had played it for a total of three hours at the time and was playing as a mage, with as I said a skill of 16. And I started at 15-- hadn't exactly had much experience doing it.

I still find that Oblivion's lockpicking is harder than Skyrim, but I don't use cheap tricks...

Cheap tricks? Theres nothing cheap about the tricks in Oblivions locks, its just simple fact. Oh theres the fast dropping tumbler *click*

I dont really see the need to argue on this subject though, some will think one set is harder, while others will think that same set is the easiest. Im looking at it as a fact, that on average, 10 of the hardest level locks in Oblvion, I can pick with probably 3 picks. While 10 of the master level locks in Skyrim, while still easy to do, would take me probably 20-40 picks to pull off. And really only that much, because the "hard part" is finding where the sweet spot is. (that and my controller is REALLY loose and needs to be replaced )

I find neither system particularly hard but I found oblivions more annoying due to it having multiple stages, in skyrim once you've done it once you've done it for good.

I look at it more like this. Oblivions system, may have taken more time to do properly, because you were waiting for the fast tumbler. Once it popped up, your set. Where as skyrim can possibly go in one shot (if your lucky) up to taking some time trying to find the right spot. But again, once you found it your golden. So one takes longer but with less picks, and the other can go faster but can take ALOT more picks to get there.