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 Peregrine wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I hope you or another Aussie wins it, then models it with twin power fists flipping the bird with both hands at forgeworld/GW.

I guess you missed the part where FW isn't including Australia because Australian law doesn't allow them to? If you want to blame someone then blame your own government.

Because Australia is the only country on the planet with such weird laws that online competitions can't be held there. Anyone really believe that?

Meanwhile in a secret warehouse in Sumwearstan the leaders of North Korea and Iran eye each other warily as they sign up for the fw newsletter in the hopes that they'll be the one to scare the great satan with their new super weapon.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I hope you or another Aussie wins it, then models it with twin power fists flipping the bird with both hands at forgeworld/GW.

I guess you missed the part where FW isn't including Australia because Australian law doesn't allow them to? If you want to blame someone then blame your own government.

Australian law doesn't prohibit competitions fyi

 NTRabbit wrote:
Australian law doesn't prohibit competitions fyi

Apparently it does in this case, because someone emailed FW about why Australian residents aren't eligible and FW said that it's because Australian law does not allow it.

 Peregrine wrote:
FW said that it's because Australian law does not allow it.

So because FW says it means it's a fact does it? That might be FW's reasoning for excluding Australians but whether or not it's actually the case remains to be seen.

 Snrub wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
FW said that it's because Australian law does not allow it.

So because FW says it means it's a fact does it? That might be FW's reasoning for excluding Australians but whether or not it's actually the case remains to be seen.

So we just go straight to assuming they're lying, right?

I think you're all lying.

 Snrub wrote:
So because FW says it means it's a fact does it? That might be FW's reasoning for excluding Australians but whether or not it's actually the case remains to be seen.

Do you actually have a plausible alternative reason, or are you just assuming they're lying because you don't like the answer? It certainly isn't because of shipping, because they're willing to ship it to a winner in any other country with high shipping costs.

It's true some states require a permit for lottery or chance style competitions regardless of value. They could have got around this quite simply by asking entrants to answer a simple question though. Simple.

 Peregrine wrote:

Do you actually have a plausible alternative reason, or are you just assuming they're lying because you don't like the answer? It certainly isn't because of shipping, because they're willing to ship it to a winner in any other country with high shipping costs.

I have a plausible reason - I'm an Australian and I enter legal competitions run at home and abroad all the time, their excuse is flat out bs.

A little Google search that I did after the Golden Ticket competition was announced brought up this:

https://www.digitaldialogue.com.au/blog/online-competition-permits-in-australia

It appears that each State has different rules and regs as regards whether or not permits are required dependent on type of comp and prize value.

There seems to be a small industry based around setting up competitions for clients to ensure they are legal across the whole country. So the choices appear to be:

1. Hire a firm to run the comp for you.
2. Use your own in-house non- Australian resident team to navigate the whys and wherefores.
3. Don't bother because, at least for NSW, it appears to be at least 20 working days before a permit would be issued.

Maybe there are other firms that don't run competitions in Australia because of the hassle but you're unaware of them.

It could be that GW have decided to try these competitions at short notice so don't want to wait for permits. If they become a regular routine and planned further in advance, Australian residents could end up being in with a chance....

....or Kirby really hates you because of previous Ashes victories.

ImAGeek wrote:So we just go straight to assuming they're lying, right?

Peregrine wrote:Do you actually have a plausible alternative reason, or are you just assuming they're lying because you don't like the answer?

No I'm not just assuming they're lying. I don't know what FW's reasoning is. Hence the "remains to be seen" part of my post.

I am so mad about this. Truely furious. No Australia?


Still, I just purchased Asterion Moloc despite this. I have a problem

 Rippy wrote:
I am so mad about this. Truely furious. No Australia?

Again, blame the people in your country that made the bad laws. For once this is something that isn't GW's fault.


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 Snrub wrote:
No I'm not just assuming they're lying. I don't know what FW's reasoning is. Hence the "remains to be seen" part of my post.

Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I am so mad about this. Truely furious. No Australia?

Again, blame the people in your country that made the bad laws. For once this is something that isn't GW's fault.


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 Snrub wrote:
No I'm not just assuming they're lying. I don't know what FW's reasoning is. Hence the "remains to be seen" part of my post.

Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.

This is totally a thing. They would need to register something with each state. Total pain to administer... we need to do this for my work as well

We just need weeble to roll in here and tell us that this is actually illegal in the US because of the 1894 Funkill Law from Gakville County Ohio and we should have a full house of GW fethed it up their own competition posts........

 notprop wrote:
We just need weeble to roll in here and tell us that this is actually illegal in the US because of the 1894 Funkill Law from Gakville County Ohio and we should have a full house of GW fethed it up their own competition posts........

No, they should be alright with this one. No purchase required.

GW still ostensibly has an office of some kind in Australia managing their dwindling stores, it would have been a complete non event to get them to set this up for them. They just chose to be lazy.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I hope you or another Aussie wins it, then models it with twin power fists flipping the bird with both hands at forgeworld/GW.

I guess you missed the part where FW isn't including Australia because Australian law doesn't allow them to? If you want to blame someone then blame your own government.

I didn't miss anything, I live in the USA too, and living here I know how much of a pain in the it can be to change a law. What we are all talking about is how FW/GW tries again and fails again. Not because of not knowing, but by not trying, or doing due diligence. FW didn't just roll out of bed one morning and say "we're raffling off a titan this month" there's plans to make and deadlines to set. They obviously even knew about the competition laws of Austrailia of nothing would have been printed. They made the dumb choice to blow off part of their ever shrinking fan base to save time and effort, just like they do with the GW copy and paste model designs. If they wanted to show the Australians some love and treat them respectfully then they could have gotten their ducks in a row before the competition started and made it possible.

Having spent this last month trying to get a Swap Shop sale of £70 of old Vampire Counts past Aussie customs, which they lost the invoices for, then chased me for more details beyond the lengthy and very specific details I has already supplied, then went quiet for a fortnight, then when chased finally said they thought the package was worth £6300, I frankly can see FW might just not want the hassle.

I want this one so it can keep my other one (still in the box it came in :( )company
Some free weapon options would be cool though, been eyeing up that power fist ever since I went for the melta instead

Radu Lykan wrote:
I want this one so it can keep my other one (still in the box it came in :( )company
Some free weapon options would be cool though, been eyeing up that power fist ever since I went for the melta instead

It says you get the body, missile launcher and two weapon arms.

I think he means additional options for the one he already has, for free.

Ok, so when I registred at Forgeworld I unclicked the box for being subscribed to the newsletter having heard bad things about their spamming ways.

Now, is there somewhere in my account settings where I can turn it on again? I cant find it.

The link on their page just goes to an e-mail adress and sending an empty mail there does not create a subscription.

I can send an e-mail asking I suppose but perhaps there is some easy thing I'm missing,

Sending that empty email is the way you get on the list,

You'll get an email back confirming it

Can anyone PM me the newsletter subscription email? I can't open the one on the FW site.

just send a blank email to

join-forgeworld@lyris.games-workshop.com

 Peregrine wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I am so mad about this. Truely furious. No Australia?

Again, blame the people in your country that made the bad laws. For once this is something that isn't GW's fault.


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 Snrub wrote:
No I'm not just assuming they're lying. I don't know what FW's reasoning is. Hence the "remains to be seen" part of my post.

Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.

Don't pretend to understand the laws, their laziness in not aquiring a permit to run their competition here makes it annoying for Australians. We have a right to be annoyed at Forgeworld.


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People run online competitions here all the time no worries. Because there is a way.

To run a contest in the Oz you need to make sure it's legal for each state as they have different requirements. This usually means hiring a firm to do it, said firms are very expensive.

Basically it just ends up being more of a hassle than it's worth to run an international contest that includes Australia thanks to Oz laws. I don't blame FW for this, I blame idiot law makers.

Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.

Joyboozer wrote:
Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.

Easy being "shell out a lot of money to pay a company to make sure it's 100% legal in all states in Australia (as all the states have their own laws that differ) not to mention file for a special permit that also costs money.

It's a lot cheaper and less of a headache to just say "fek that" and leave Aussie out of the contest.

Like I said, blame the laws involved because they're designed to keep foreign companies from easily (and cheaply) doing things like this as a method of protecting local businesses. They're basically working as designed here.