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Hey people!

I post this thread to,hopefully,learn some cheesy moves

I don't usually use them in my gaming store,but Ithink it would be nice if I learn some to fight off little kids or bullies who would WAAC.There are people like that who just stay at the back of the store,playing with newbies and changing the rules just to beat them,I can't stand that!I've seen new players getting beat(although they have pretty nice lists) by some rule-makers.Compared to some of those bad guys,I am a veteran(4 to 5 years experience),so I think I should stop them by using some cheesy moves.But I will keep it legal.

Once they've learned thier lessons,I would play friendly

One thing I know is the zig zag cover

XYXYXYXYXYXYXYXY
YXYXYXYXYXYXYXYX

Y is one unit
X is one unit

Any others?

What armies do you play?

Also,I play Eldar,and I will be using an mech eldar list,post me some good lists too if you don't mind
Thanks a lot

A better way to counter rules lawyers and cheaters is to play them the right way and win.

Thats what Im trying to do,but cheesy moves does it better and ensure the win

Everybody likes a little cheese now and then, and anybody who won't admit that is just a liar.

Always drive vehicles near ruins...even if it gets surrounded...you can disembark 2" above your door.

True,be honest

And that is one new thing I've learnt today

Hide from beasts and calvary in ruins...they can't climb.

looks down at Thunderwolves*

Hi!...Psycannon to the face!

Why cant they?Is that in the rules?

Beasts and monstrous creatures can't climb stairs.

The rules defines what can travel up and down the levels of ruins...artillary, tanks, beasts and calvary are not listed there.


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As well as Walkers

Cool!I will have fun on some buildings then!
Thanks a lot
And what else?

ductvader wrote:The rules defines what can travel up and down the levels of ruins...artillary, tanks, beasts and calvary are not listed there.


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Yeah, you're right; I must have been thinking of an older edition.

This thread should be renamed 'How to become an A**hole in 10 easy steps..."

Take a Blood Angels List?

How about putting scouts with a locator beacon in a LSS, then use that as an 18" moving teleport beacon OF DOOM*





*Only applies to deep-strike heavy armies

For BAs you can get 5 LRs in a 1750 list with 200 points to spend on HQs(5 min sized assault squads)

For Grey Knights you can run 2 LRs, 2 min sized PAGK squads, 3 units of 10 GK terminators(one is a GKHs retinue). LRs are for PAGKs to sit in on objectives and snipe enemy vehicles.

Orks. 2 big meks, 2 Deffdreds, 9 killa kans, 120 gretchin and 12 runtherds.(need i say more?)

Combine a PBS with the BA psychic power Fear of the darkness

use Vindicare assassins to snipe Nobs out of Boy mobs to totally nerf them.

Run 9 typhoon LS in a space marine list. 18 fast, BS4 missiles and 9 heavy bolters? yes please

BAs can take 3 fast vindicators. move 12" and drop 3 pie plates on a IG blob squad and watch it disappear combine with scouting Baal Predators with inferno cannons for extra

Rule that the FLGS games use INAT and that should clear up a going chunk of the cheese. Things such as Checkboarding are covered.

Grey Templar wrote:Combine a PBS with the BA psychic power Fear of the darkness

Or a PBS combined with a Callidus Assassin to instakill basically whole squads (besides Daemons and SS termies)

technically if you reduce their LD to Str4 or less they suffer ID.

Putting the doom of Malantai in your army.

Ork nob units, each model having different gear. That always steams me.

One thing i did this weekend was spread my ork mob to claim two objectives. I only did this because the guy i was playing was being anal and said my kanz cant single out his nob because he was in a mob full of boyz. I said you would be correct if i werent in BtB contact with the nob. We argued for a minute or two and finally i gave in and just pulled an arse move described above.

You can't ever single out upgrade characters in melee, base to base or not. Only ICs can be singled out. Your friend was right.
Of course, spreading around between multiple objectives is fun and legal, and I just learned you don't even have to maintain coherency, so pull guys from the middle after going to ground and pinning yourself. Yay!

And CT Gamer, it isn't being a donkey cave, it is just knowing your way around the rules better than your opponent. In a friendly game it can raise an eyebrow, but in a tournament that is exactly what you are competing over.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone pull the zigzag formation, and no tournament organizer would ever rule in your favor.

Zig Zag cover is rather useless. Sure you would in theory gain a +4 coversave but at the same time you would loose nearly all mobility since you cant move trough units.

If cheese is what your looking for..

I once deployed a vehicle on a building, it was small enough to fit and acted like a turret.

It may have been a cheesy or illegal move (I looked in the BRB and didnt find anything), but it didnt effect that game too much.

Deff Rider Warboss wrote:
I once deployed a vehicle on a building, it was small enough to fit and acted like a turret.

It may have been a cheesy or illegal move (I looked in the BRB and didnt find anything), but it didnt effect that game too much.

My opponent once deployed two Thunderfire Cannons up on the top floors of ruins. I responded by deploying my Predator on a ruin. He called the store manager over and made me deploy it on the ground .

These threads are strange!

tedurur wrote:Zig Zag cover is rather useless. Sure you would in theory gain a +4 coversave but at the same time you would loose nearly all mobility since you cant move trough units.

They would also grant a 4+ cover save to any units they shot at. You must also deploy like this and may not move because you move one unit at a time and may not move through other models. A lot of restrictions just to get a 4+ cover save.

Pathfinding wrote:

tedurur wrote:Zig Zag cover is rather useless. Sure you would in theory gain a +4 coversave but at the same time you would loose nearly all mobility since you cant move trough units.

They would also grant a 4+ cover save to any units they shot at. You must also deploy like this and may not move because you move one unit at a time and may not move through other models. A lot of restrictions just to get a 4+ cover save.

You can do it if you leave the maximum spaced gaps so models can flow around each other as they move. Also, with a formation like this they're likely expecting you to be in cover most of the time so them giving you cover doesn't effect them too much.