Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**whitedragon**

And word on Wraithlord toughness?

**wuestenfux**

whitedragon wrote:
And word on Wraithlord toughness?

Are there any reasons to change it?

**Malthor**

pretre wrote:
Malthor wrote:
Here are some rules for the new Eldar I heard today, enjoy

You mean that thing that has been posted twice on the last two pages?

Well, this happens when you get too excited before posting

I hope at least my good intentions are appreciated

**CaptKaruthors**

According to the rumors, most of the Phoenix Lords are losing EW.

As long as they pick up better abilities, become cheaper, or an Invuln save...I'm okay with it. If not, then that is dumb.

**V1ND4LOO**

Shandara wrote:
Need a bigger website...

Maybe this means they'll finally re-upload the painting tutorials

**Harriticus**

I'm surprised that the flyers look good, probably the best looking ones GW has come out with since the Razorwing all those years ago.

**GTKA666**

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Now that we are pretty sure that the Wraigthknight is a MC , the both makes me happy and worries me.

This addition seems to have seen the fall of a lot of vehicles and the rise of the MC. Which is cool, but makes me sad since I really like my Ork dredds and Kans which at this point are just about useless.

I really hope that the Orks get a MC and not some big stompy walker. I think the model will be cool, but the way vehicles get dropped in this addition would make me not want a armored unit as my BIG ork model. Although I really want a big Stompy Dredd. I own a stompa already but have never actually played a game with it.

I am curious if you will still need 10 WG to make it a troops choce or will 5 and a spirit seer be the minimum.

Just convert the WK into a very abnormally large attack squig and there you go! At least I know your going to love my WK Stacey

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-sean

**whigwam**

gorgon wrote:
whigwam wrote:Back on-T, I'm really in disbelief that we're getting an Iyanden supplement while there's no sign of anything expanding CSM. I love Iyanden's fluff, the Wraith concept, etc. but I just can't believe there would be more demand for this than a supplement expanding Traitor Legions, Renegades, etc. I'm happy for Eldar, but for me, this really underlines what a missed opportunity the CSM update was.

Although if it's only fluff, scenarios and some craftworld environment type rules, will you be upset about the lack of the same for CSMs?

If that's all the Iyanden supplement ends up being, I'd be upset about both! Two missed opportunities: twice as bad.

**Kingsley**

whitedragon wrote:
And word on Wraithlord toughness?

No. I've heard a lot of people saying Guard T6, Lord T7, Knight T8, but I think it's mostly just speculation at this phase.

**B0B MaRlEy**

Kingsley wrote:
whitedragon wrote:
And word on Wraithlord toughness?

No. I've heard a lot of people saying Guard T6, Lord T7, Knight T8, but I think it's mostly just speculation at this phase.

At least I didn't see anything in the WD that'd confirm that... didn't scan the battlereport properly though I'm afraid

**Brother Weasel**

whigwam wrote:
gorgon wrote:
whigwam wrote:Back on-T, I'm really in disbelief that we're getting an Iyanden supplement while there's no sign of anything expanding CSM. I love Iyanden's fluff, the Wraith concept, etc. but I just can't believe there would be more demand for this than a supplement expanding Traitor Legions, Renegades, etc. I'm happy for Eldar, but for me, this really underlines what a missed opportunity the CSM update was.

Although if it's only fluff, scenarios and some craftworld environment type rules, will you be upset about the lack of the same for CSMs?
If that's all the Iyanden supplement ends up being, I'd be upset about both! Two missed opportunities: twice as bad.

There are warlord traits and psy powers as well (not that it makes it "worth it")

**Nocturnus**

V1ND4LOO wrote:
Shandara wrote:
Need a bigger website...

Maybe this means they'll finally re-upload the painting tutorials

Not likely. They want you to buy their crappy painting books. You know, the ones where you follow the directions and somehow your models look nothing like the finished product...

**gravitywell**

Well, went out and bought a 10 pack of Dire Avengers before they are all gone...

Any rumors or hints about what is different about the limited edition codex? What has been different about limited edition books in the past?

**Kanluwen**

They've had different cover art and a nice dustjacket/slipcover.

**Ovion**

gravitywell wrote:
Well, went out and bought a 10 pack of Dire Avengers before they are all gone...
Any rumors or hints about what is different about the limited edition codex? What has been different about limited edition books in the past?

You're basically looking at +£25-30 for a different cover. Really not worth it at all, whatsoever.
It also seems each Ltd edition has gone up, being more than the previous one - as if they're trying to see how far they can push the cost before people will stop paying for a book with different cover art....

**Kirasu**

gravitywell wrote:
Well, went out and bought a 10 pack of Dire Avengers before they are all gone...

Any rumors or hints about what is different about the limited edition codex? What has been different about limited edition books in the past?

You're paying double the price for the prestige of having something most people won't have. I find it a complete waste, but who knows.. some like it.

**Eiluj The Farseer**

I was really hoping for something elder that was 2+ armour, why the heck can't the wraithnight have this.... esp for 240pts, if the friggin riptide has it.... come on.. that is what makes the Wraithlord weak in the first place.... arg..... oh well

**CaptKaruthors**

The limited editions are a waste of time and energy...

**Kirasu**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I was really hoping for something elder that was 2+ armour, why the heck can't the wraithnight have this.... esp for 240pts, if the friggin riptide has it.... come on.. that is what makes the Wraithlord weak in the first place.... arg..... oh well

Eldar tend to have 3+ saves coupled with invuls or cover saves via holofields or some such. A 2+ save has never been a part of the Eldar army (just on phoenix lords for some reason).

**CaptKaruthors**

If the PL's lose EW, then they better have invulns...bah.

**Absolutionis**

Kirasu wrote:
Eldar tend to have 3+ saves coupled with invuls or cover saves via holofields or some such. A 2+ save has never been a part of the Eldar army (just on phoenix lords for some reason).

Makes sense, actually.

Eldar have 4+ saves on half their aspects (Scorpions, Reapers, Spears, Spiders) and 3+ saves on the other half (Banshees, Avengers, Dragons, Hawks).
Exarchs and Autarchs all have 3+ saves because they have an improved/ancient Aspect armor.
Phoenix Lords have super-Exarch armor, the epitome of their class, and thus have a 2+ save.

But I agree that Eldar protection usually tends to rely on gimmicks aside from armor such as Veil of Tears, Flickerfields, Energy Fields, Fortune, etc.

**resipsa**

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I was really hoping for something elder that was 2+ armour, why the heck can't the wraithnight have this.... esp for 240pts, if the friggin riptide has it.... come on.. that is what makes the Wraithlord weak in the first place.... arg..... oh well

If they have the three upand an adjustable invulnerable, or a really decent one, I'd take a 3+ invuln over a 2+ armor any day of the week in todays meta.

**Popenfresh**

Dangit, I desperately want more leaked rules. I wanna know if the clowns are still viable. In case they stay as they are now I at least hope they'll have some good synergy with the new HQ's and their wargear.

**resipsa**

CaptKaruthors wrote:

According to the rumors, most of the Phoenix Lords are losing EW.

As long as they pick up better abilities, become cheaper, or an Invuln save...I'm okay with it. If not, then that is dumb.

I wonder what the pheonix court of kaine would look like point wise.... ah the lazy man's apocalypse formation.

**pretre**

Harlequins will be exactly the same as the DE codex, almost guaranteed.

**Absolutionis**

Popenfresh wrote:
Dangit, I desperately want more leaked rules. I wanna know if the clowns are still viable. In case they stay as they are now I at least hope they'll have some good synergy with the new HQ's and their wargear.

Rumor is that Harlequins are the same as the DE codex (which is the same as the current Eldar Codex).

However, there was a rumor a while back about being able to take a piece of wargear that makes your HQ model gain tons of benefits while losing the ability to be an IC. It has a Laughing God theme to it.
Effectively, it's a build-your-own Solitaire.

**CDK**

I've tried going back a few pages but you guys are adding so much fast. I just wanted to know if they have made any new Aspects or Phoenix Lords?

**Popenfresh**

Absolutionis wrote:
Rumor is that Harlequins are the same as the DE codex (which is the same as the current Eldar Codex).

However, there was a rumor a while back about being able to take a piece of wargear that makes your HQ model gain tons of benefits while losing the ability to be an IC. It has a Laughing God theme to it.
Effectively, it's a build-your-own Solitaire.

As nifty and fluffy as that sounds I'm really wondering how it will aid the rest of your army. Unless you can fit the character out to become an elfy miniature one man army. And reading the rumors Eldar will become completely devoid of EW makes it sound even more redundant.

**Absolutionis**

CDK wrote:
I've tried going back a few pages but you guys are adding so much fast. I just wanted to know if they have made any new Aspects or Phoenix Lords?

As far as what is known, no new Phoenix Lords. New Aspect Warriors are "Crimson Hunters". They're the pilots of the new aircraft.

**Nevelon**

Popenfresh wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:
Rumor is that Harlequins are the same as the DE codex (which is the same as the current Eldar Codex).

However, there was a rumor a while back about being able to take a piece of wargear that makes your HQ model gain tons of benefits while losing the ability to be an IC. It has a Laughing God theme to it.
Effectively, it's a build-your-own Solitaire.

As nifty and fluffy as that sounds I'm really wondering how it will aid the rest of your army. Unless you can fit the character out to become an elfy miniature one man army. And reading the rumors Eldar will become completely devoid of EW makes it sound even more redundant.

The blood angels have mephiston, and that's what he is. While he doesn't do everything, and there are a few ways to shut him down, he's kinda mean. I could see a place for that in an Eldar army.