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I heard that most people go for the twin LCs... but I think a free Thunderhammer and Stormshield is pretty awesome, no?

My codex is in the post atm though, and I've heard that stormshields don't actually work the same way as they do in 5e? How did they work in 4e?

Any tips on what to give him?

AFAIK the SS gives a 4+ save against shooting only...

I gave him the power sword for fluff reasons.

Lightning claws are pretty good striking in Initiative order... you'd be better off putting the TH/SS on a flunky since he'll be swinging last anyway. You want to put Belial's extra stats to use and the TH/SS negates his increased initiative.

the DA codex was SS gives a 4+ invuln in CC only.

you only have your 5++ against shooting.

Mnyah, I'll go with LCs.

Storm bolter Power sword to take advantage of his BS

Henners91 wrote:Mnyah, I'll go with LCs.

Twin LC gives him 6 attacks on the charge if you have the Company Standard Bearer in the unit. Not bad. (Although not as good as my pups. )

In the current ordinary space marines codex a ss confers a 3+ invulnerable save

TobyDog wrote:Storm bolter Power sword to take advantage of his BS

You would rather have 2 fairly accurate bolter shots than +1 attack and reroll wounds?

nielsen333 wrote:In the current ordinary space marines codex a ss confers a 3+ invulnerable save

Aye but DA use their own 4e codex.

If you put dual lightning claw Belial along with a Chaplain in a squad that has the DW banner, you'll get 6 attacks on the charge, rerolling hits and wounds. It's kind of a pricey unit, but it hits really, really hard; most anything will not survive. In my FLGS, almost everything that gets hit with this squad dies horribly (with the exception of an equivalent Grey Knight Terminator/Grandmaster squad).

If nobody minds, I'd like to necro this thread on account of Belial now getting 3++ from SS/TH - quite a big change to the situation.

My gut feeling is that LC/LC is possibly still the best choice, for its ability to strike first against MEQ's with a large number of deadly attacks.

An IC who does not have a retinue perhaps would survive better in melee by striking first with what is still a very powerful bunch of attacks, as opposed to hoping not to roll too many 1s and 2s when a MEQ unit member pulls a PW on him whilst his TH's warming up.

Especially when he's likely to join a TH-heavy squad, meaning that TH hits are already going to rain down on his opponent.

I thought the new faq changed the dark angel storm shield to a 3 + instead of a 4+

it did.

wuestenfux wrote:I gave him the power sword for fluff reasons.

Same. A master crafted relic blade? Ok. why not?

I prefer the LC/LC option. Put him with a squad of TH/SS termies with the apothecary. He is indeed more survivable against most things by having the ability to wipe them out before they hit him, and unless it's a KP mission, who cares if he dies, anyway? He's already given you scoring termies.

What about against units that have all PWs?

Well, he has 3 wounds; he's fairly unlikely to die before he strikes back, even against opponents that are faster than him (rare), unless he's being attacked by such vast numbers of said opponents that his whole squad would be dead anyway, and him soon after.

Both TH/SS and Twin LC have merits, the 3++ is very usefull, and the re-rolling wounds again is very useful.

so it bogs down to

Vs Low to medium I, Use LC

Vs Armour or things you want to splat (Tyranid warriors, or other multi wound high T stuff) use the SS/TH

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I gave him the power sword for fluff reasons.

Same. A master crafted relic blade? Ok. why not?

Did the FAQ change it from a MC power weapon to a MC relic blade?

If there's a mob of PW-wielding psychos on the battlefield, the first point is to make damned sure your Terminator squad is nowhere near them.

And if Belial can't avoid a confrontation with such a unit, putting him in the middle of a TH/SS shieldwall will prevent them from attacking him and force them to engage the 3++ models instead. (Though admittedly this will mean he can't strike back.)

So, if such a squad is knocking around and can't easily be kept away from Belial's gang, they're probably a pretty high priority to shoot at rather than engage in a high-stakes melee.

lindsay40k wrote:If there's a mob of PW-wielding psychos on the battlefield, the first point is to make damned sure your Terminator squad is nowhere near them.

And if Belial can't avoid a confrontation with such a unit, putting him in the middle of a TH/SS shieldwall will prevent them from attacking him and force them to engage the 3++ models instead. (Though admittedly this will mean he can't strike back.)

So, if such a squad is knocking around and can't easily be kept away from Belial's gang, they're probably a pretty high priority to shoot at rather than engage in a high-stakes melee.

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Larendard wrote:AFAIK the SS gives a 4+ save against shooting only...

FAQ's. They have normal Storm Shields now.

TH/SS post FAQ all the way. There is no reason to take anything else.

ph34r wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I gave him the power sword for fluff reasons.

Same. A master crafted relic blade? Ok. why not?

Did the FAQ change it from a MC power weapon to a MC relic blade?

No, it's a MC Power Sword. I think he's confusing Belial's sword with the Sword of Secrets.

Overwatch, assuming you mostly have Belial joined to a squad of TH/SS termies with the apothecary, against which opponents is the TH/SS option on Belial better than the LC/LC one? Bear in mind that in 2/3 missions it's arguably better to lose Belial than to lose a TH/SS terminator (the latter are troops, whereas Belial isn't).

Necro'd

He has LCs now I am afraid :(

Shame 'cos I didn't know about the FAQ, I could magnetise him I suppose...