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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot




New Jersey, State of Perfection

At the request of some folks in another thread, I am posting my digital tank design here. The plan is to finish up the design and put this into production as a plastic injection kit.

For backwork and more info see this thread at warseer: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207928

The images shown here are the latest. The hull s very much unfinished (the folks over at warseer wouldnt leave me alone until I started working on the turret, and I hit some 'designer's block' so I moved on for a bit. I'm going to be revising the hull design a bit in the coming bit. For the most part, changes are going to be limited to the front end of the vehicle and the rivets/armor plating.

Comments and criticisms welcome!




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Ummm... looks really cool but I cannot shake the feeling that with the first picture you unconsciously made a "Millennium Falcon" turret.

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New Jersey, State of Perfection

I wouldn't say it was an unconcious decision... but I will say I am starting to regret it

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Ma55ter_fett wrote:It reads like the ramblings of a Nigerian lobotomized Shakespeare typed into a cellphone with a very aggressive autocomplete function.
 
   
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Ontario, Canada

Reminds me of the Abrams with a miniature millenium falcon on top; expect a lawsuit from both George Lucas and the US military



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The word is "subconscious"... if he did it while he was unconscious it would be considered a miracle that he could do anything at all...

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lol, good observation fox

Mecharius, I'm not really worried about a lawsuit... especially since it shouldnt look a thing like the falcon once I get the gun(s) on there.

Although I'm curious... where do you see the Abrams? I have been told that several times, but really, I dont see it?

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Yeah im sorry i have crewed the arbrams and i dont see it either.

Other than that i think its beautiful for 40k.

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The abrams opinions are probably stemming from the low-slung, elongated chassis.

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Wow awesome! How much will it cost to make it an plastic?

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The paint dungeon, Arizona

I've been drafting up a tank design to replace my Leman Uglies, and my hull design is very very similar to yours. Mines a bit simpler, fewer angles & plates, but the sponson mounts are almost identical in concept.

For the bulges on the track skirting- are you going to line up the raod wheels with those, or is there some purpose to the odd spacing?

For the turret, putting a second hatch ring on the left side, and squaring up the stowage boxes/aft section of the turret would reduce the Mellenium Falcon proportions and lines. Im also guessing you havent rivetted the turret yet?

On my design Ive been going back & forth on a round turret, like a contemporary soviet type, or to stick with the Imperiums apparent ban on curved armor

Im also setting my design to be resin casting freindly, and have a similar troop transport counter part- possibly using a 'universal' sort of tracked chassis. Im still playing with shapes, I doing it old school, with sketches and a large blob of clay to set the rough prototype shapes.

Im curious to see how yours comes along and how you build the initial protoypes up through the mold making phase.
   
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This looks great so far.
   
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot




New Jersey, State of Perfection

Mistress of minis wrote:I've been drafting up a tank design to replace my Leman Uglies, and my hull design is very very similar to yours. Mines a bit simpler, fewer angles & plates, but the sponson mounts are almost identical in concept.


That might be problematic... I was planning on eliminating some of the angles (mainly the ones forward of the sponsons on the sides). Hope you don't mind, lol.


For the bulges on the track skirting- are you going to line up the raod wheels with those, or is there some purpose to the odd spacing?



They are meaningless. Original intent was to make them into some sort of fancy sci-fi smoke generation system. Right now though, I'm thinking I may just remove them entirely (and rework the side skirt to appear a bit more modern, with flexible plates, etc.). They are completely independent of the suspension.

For the turret, putting a second hatch ring on the left side, and squaring up the stowage boxes/aft section of the turret would reduce the Mellenium Falcon proportions and lines. Im also guessing you havent rivetted the turret yet?



Nope, the turret is very much still a wip. Will take those suggestions into consideration.

On my design Ive been going back & forth on a round turret, like a contemporary soviet type, or to stick with the Imperiums apparent ban on curved armor

Im also setting my design to be resin casting freindly, and have a similar troop transport counter part- possibly using a 'universal' sort of tracked chassis. Im still playing with shapes, I doing it old school, with sketches and a large blob of clay to set the rough prototype shapes.

Im curious to see how yours comes along and how you build the initial protoypes up through the mold making phase.


Well, as of right now, the plan is to get get the design rapid prototyped (basically direct to resin, except it probably won't be a resin material), make sure everything fits together/there aren't any design issues, etc. and then its going to go directly to mold manufacturing and plastic injection production via CAM (computer aided machining) processes.

Hans_posthumus wrote:Wow awesome! How much will it cost to make it an plastic?


Its going to cost me something upwards of 20,000 USD to get the molds produced. Afterwards (depending on how I set up the sprue, etc.) it could be as cheap as 1-5 USD per sprue produced. If there is enough interest (and there seems to be indeed), I may end up selling them for 25-30 USD each. If that is the case, I will need to sell about 1300 units to break even.

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I would skip the bulges on the sideskirts, if you want more detail I would add some reactive armour or similar instead. Otherwise, impressive build, I would buy one, though I am curious to see how the finished turret will look
   
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I have been considering reactive armor (mainly because its what I call 'lazy mans detailing'. easy way to get a varied surface without doing much work), but I'm not sure how well it fits the design. I'm trying to go for something retro-futuristic. Something that is clearly sci-fi, but has many throwbacks to older techs and designs that haven't been seen in a while. I think reactive armor might be too modern, but maybe I can add it in as an optional upgrade type deal

I was also considering the possibility of bedspring or Sch├╝rzen

This ain't no pansy GW Armor, son - Digital Sculpting Plog, Now with Heavy Weapon Platforms!
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Are there updated dimensions past the ones at the start of the warseer thread for actual size? 2" tall is um...I don't know my mind is just thinking it'd be flat like a panfish.

 
   
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been a while since I checked, and a bit busy packing up atm to check. But from what I recall the hull is 7" long by (about) 4.1" wide. Don't remember the height, but it wasn't too high (unlike the actual Leman Russ).

To give you a better sense of scale, here is a scale comparison pic (its a bit out of date in regards to the turret). Its not exact, but it should be fairly close.

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Everywhere I'm not supposed to be.

So, what program are you using? It looks like fun just to play around with.

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Looks like NXS to me... gotta get you on Maya or 3DS boy, so you can output some prettier renders than the CAD style!

   
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New Jersey, State of Perfection

Good eye major tom. It is NX 5.0

I also have solidworks, but I dont really ever use it.

I had maya and 3ds (and rhino 3d) but I had absolutely no idea how to use them, so I got rid of them. I still have blender, but I only kept it because it was the only one I had acquired legally out of the group. I'm an engineer, and thus recieved training on engineering software. To me, 3ds, maya, rhino, and blender are the most unintuitive, impossible to use software ever written.

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This ain't no pansy GW Armor, son - Digital Sculpting Plog, Now with Heavy Weapon Platforms!
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Ma55ter_fett wrote:It reads like the ramblings of a Nigerian lobotomized Shakespeare typed into a cellphone with a very aggressive autocomplete function.
 
   
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Lol fair enough, I am the opposite in all circumstances on that one lol, designer, own maya, CAD makes my brain hurt and puppies cry lol.

It's a shame they don't play well together, Engineers are some of the best hard surface modelers out there, but we can't take your models and work them into film level stuff because of the NURBS an unattached surfaces... shame...

Nice job though!

   
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You sure? I thought that transformers and iron man stuff was done on up using CAD software?

And I'm sure there has to be some sort of way to be able to get from CAD to CG and back again? If not, sounds like a great problem to solve (and a great way to make money).

I would like to learn how to use maya/3ds, etc. (and get better at Zbrush, I got the basics down, I think). Especially for doing posable humanoid models (I think you can see where I'm going with that). If you have any suggestions regarding that, it would be greatly appreciated.

This ain't no pansy GW Armor, son - Digital Sculpting Plog, Now with Heavy Weapon Platforms!
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Hmm, that's pretty sweet yeah.

So what are the plans for the sponson weapons? Will you be offering 'counts as' bits or am I going to have to try to figure how to fit plasma cannons in those slots?

 
   
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The paint dungeon, Arizona

Well, I happy to see anyone thats working to put out a quality product. I looked at your Warseer thread and this tank is something you've been working on for a while

As much as I'd like to go the route you are with the direct prototyping and injection molding- I really doubt I could get the funds up for that- so Im sticking with the garage resin casts.

But Im glad you got this thread rolling- helps keep me motivated to keep workin on my stuff ^_^
   
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Glad to share, if you would like to post pics of your own project, you're more than welcome to.

As for weapons, I will be offering my own 'counts as' versions. Although for the sponson/hull mounted weapons, its only going to be the barrels sticking out. I dont really see any reason why the ENTIRE weapon on a sponson needs to be clearly visible.

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The paint dungeon, Arizona

My sketches so far arent really worth posting

And the 'counts as' versions are the only way to go for the base model- gotta avoid those pesky C&D orders GW likes to bully people with.

Im planning on making mine compatible with GW stuff, but the sponsons will be mounted flat( like on the side compared to the current sponsons). The only reason I'm planning on having the weapons bits external is for gaming mechanics. Letting people see a plasma cannon or heavy bolter provides more clarity than just a muzzle on a swivel would.
   
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a Millennium falcon based grav tank with a mighty turret on it could well be an awesome thing. The turret has got me thinking that

   
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FoxPhoenix135 wrote:The word is "subconscious"... if he did it while he was unconscious it would be considered a miracle that he could do anything at all...

I do not mind being corrected... as long as it is correct.

Webster Dictionary definition: "not consciously held or deliberately planned or carried out <an unconscious bias>"

You are correct in the other definition.

I find if I want to copy something, I like I try to re-create only the heart of the design and try to avoid the other details.

It IS cool what is being done here.


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Thanks. I love hearing how awesome I am!

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