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What would be the best Marine Codex to represent an Ordo Xenos Death Watch army? I'm thinking of using the Blood Angels one as this would represent swift, elite tactics used by the Death Watch, although I'm still unsure on it. What do you think I should use?

Thanks,

Valk

yes,blood angels or black templars would work best.

Codex Space Marines with Pedro Kantor as an HQ choice.

Load up on Sternguard and Vanguard vets.

None of them.

Deathwatch aren't an army. They're a unit. Use a Sternguard Veteran unit to represent them.

I think a 1k - 1.5k list can still look like a Deathwatch strike force.

Kantor

Librarian

a bunch of Sternguard

maybe a Vanguard team

a Dreadnought (for posterity)


Thats about the only models that would be in a Deathwatch force. They don't form dedicated Devastator squads or have a lot of vehicles support. I imagine mainly Drop Pods and Rhinos for them.

Heck, maybe I'll try that list too!

Good luck!

And Dreadnoughts sure as hell wouldn't be in the force. They're considered Chapter relics. Not really something you'd see given away, despite C.S. Goto's ideas to the contrary.

Contrary to that remark, Deathwatch Dreadnoughts have been in fluff other than that penned by Goto.

So, they're still an acceptable option. But it's your army OP, so do whatever you want to really.

Uh, where? I've seen nothing that predated Goto's crap.


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Looking at Lexicanum I see one example, and one example only.

Dreadnought Cyron of the Lamenters.

And Cyron's info is empty.

Heroes of the Space Marines is a collection of short stories of Space Marines.

Headhunted by Steve Parker
An excellent short story about a covert operation on an Orc ship. The action come shard and fast and the squad work together to complete their mission. Easily one of the best in the collection with vivid descriptions and characters I'd like to read about.

It's a story about Deathwatch infiltrating a Ork space hulk. They mention leaving their Brother Somethingsomething at home because he isn't stealthy enough in his Dreadnought chassis.

Dreadnoughts are part of Deathwatch. They are more rare in the Deathwatch then they are in a Chapter, but they are still included.

Haven't read it, and really don't see it coming about as anything that'll be set down as canon.

Tbh, Kanluwen has it spot on. Deathwatch are not an Army, they are a unit. If you really want to emphasize it though, take 3 units of Sternguard and Pedro with Drop Pods. Throw in a regular Marine army with the rest and BAM, Marine Strikeforce with Deathwatch support.

Does it matter if they are an army or not. It's not like the guy is suddenly going to stop the guy from doing this.

But Yes I would use stern guard to represent them.

Kanluwen wrote:Haven't read it, and really don't see it coming about as anything that'll be set down as canon.

Just to clarify, anything printed by Gamesworkshop and Black Library is canon. Unfortunately that includes things we disagree with; like Deathwatch Dreadnoughts, or Blood Angels and Necrons teaming up, etc.

Once again though, Blood Angels and Necrons did not "team up".

They ignored each other in favor of a common foe.


Lions and crocodiles don't "team up" to hunt gazelle around watering holes.

Smashotron wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Haven't read it, and really don't see it coming about as anything that'll be set down as canon.

Just to clarify, anything printed by Gamesworkshop and Black Library is canon. Unfortunately that includes things we disagree with; like Deathwatch Dreadnoughts, or Blood Angels and Necrons teaming up, etc.

Actually, Black Library is not canon.

Secondly, all 40k fiction is from someones viewpoint. None of it is in 3rd person omnipotent. For all we know, Deathwatch Dreadnoughts and Necron tag teams are evil Chaos Rumors!

Not to press the issue but, Black Library is a division of Games Workshop. How does that make it canon?

I would go with Pedro, 30 sternguard and scouts. Add in DPs an LSSs and you would be set. The deathwatch have loads of scouts, and then you wouldent need to dilute the amazingness of them by having "normal" tactical marines be representing the hyper elite kill teams. LSSs would really add to the rapid, hard hitting strike force feel, plus give your scouts something to do other than camping on an objective taking pot-shots.

Are you willing to branch out into Ordo Xenos as well as normal Deathwatch?
If so, I highly recommend you check this out:http://sonsoftaurus.blogspot.com/search/label/counts-as
It's a little down the page, and has some good idea's methinks.

I'd do what others have suggested and do a Sternguard-heavy Codex Marines army, possibly with Kantor acting as the leader. Use a lot of Elite style units, and it could work quite well.

I have a Deathwatch army. They're fun.

Kanluwen wrote:None of them.

Deathwatch aren't an army. They're a unit. Use a Sternguard Veteran unit to represent them.

Change your name to Killjoy please.

Only if you change yours to Senor Grumpypants!

I disagree with Kanluwen. I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed a Large Deathwatch Strikeforce. I'm planning mine to be 2000 points. Maybe they've just got a lot of Xenos to fight.

I was toying with the idea of a Death Watch army which evolved into an Inquisition army. I planned on using a Libby (DW), x3 Sternguard (DW), some Tacticals (Red Hunters) and either Storm Trooper or Gray Knight allies.
I got the bits and pieces I needed but dropped it when BA released.

Sternguard are the single best representation of Death Watch squads. C:SM Libbys are the best representation of Death Watch librarians because of their ability to teleport (forget the power) throughout the game.

Goto's crap books are all the proof one needs to say BL is not automatic cannon. Seriously, read any 10 pages of any of his DW series and you'll put it down before the 3rd. He really is THAT bad.

To reiterate, I think C:SM is the best way to represent a Death Watch army.

Ok, I think I'll go for the vanilla SM Codex. Thanks for your comments guys.

Valk

Like it was said, use Kantor as a count as Deathwatch Captain and Sternguard to really get the "feel" of Deathwatch. Hardened Battle-Brothers with specialist kit.

I'll toss my hat into the Pedro and Sternguard ring. Then use Adeptus Arbites models for Scouts to fill out the troops choices. This is just me loving Arbites though.

Kanluwen wrote:None of them.

Deathwatch aren't an army. They're a unit. Use a Sternguard Veteran unit to represent them.

There's more than one squad of deathwatch at any given time in the galaxy...

Actually, I'd recommend using Sicarius as your second HQ choice, to give one of your required troops choices an 'elite' ability, making them seem closer to vets, and to give you an increased chance to seize the initiative (which kind of makes sense, with Deathwatch being an elite strike force).

Kanluwen wrote:Only if you change yours to Senor Grumpypants!

HA!

OP: I want to do a Deathwatch army.
Several Posters: You can do XYZ to make up a cool DW army.
You & Gwar!: You can't! You can't do a DW army! It's not allowed!


And yet somehow I'm 'Senor Grumpypants'.

Welcome to Hypocrisy, Kan. Population: You.

Where did I(or Gwar! for that matter) even remotely imply that "It's not allowed!" ?

He asked which Codex would work to represent a Deathwatch "army".

I said none, since Deathwatch aren't deployed as armies but units.

I can see where you'd get the impression that it was "NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT! HISSSSS! NO FUN FOR YOU! HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!" though.

I mean even the vaguest amount of tone from my post suggests my ill-hidden spite for anyone daring to do something as simple as make an army that isn't strictly by the fluff.

yeah the "arguement" between Kanluwen and HBMC is a little ridiculous, you both need to realize that the other is the a person and respect each other. (don't care if i should be leaving mod-ing to the mods)

as for the op there used to be rules for a deathwatch "army"(iirc), but i can't find them, right now. I'll post a link/ pm if i do...

EDIT: found it, turns out it was a fan made kill team squad you could add to any army of the imperium.