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Do you think that certain primarchs are stronger, before the merger with chaos?

Ascent to demonhood means they are most certainly stronger than before. If that's what you're asking.

CKO wrote:Do you think that certain primarchs are stronger, before the merger with chaos?

Definitely, all primarchs were different in personality and skills. Obviously primarch X would/could be stronger than primarch Y.

I think you would find Angron, Ferrous Manus, Leman Russ and Vulcan were "stronger" than most of the other primarchs. But the cunning and skill of each primarch would make them nearly equal in battle. They just had different approaches.

Alpharius/Omegan was most likely "weaker" as they were "one soul in two bodies." But combined they had a certain advantage on the other primarchs. And Emperor knows they had fifty billion tricks up their sleeve.

Along those same lines, Horus might not be as strong as Angron or Ferrous, but his ability to adapt and his martial prowess would give him a certain advantage over simple brute strength.

Magnus, while not as physically strong as Angron, had the psychic potential to be just a devestating, maybe even more so.

Sanguinius had some psychic potential too, but I see him fighting more like Fulgrim. Flashy and lightning quick. Corax would be amongst these two as well.

Then you have Primarchs like Guilliman, Dorn, Mortarion and Perturabo. They're more likely to win a fight by weathering enemy attacks, maintaining their form and exploiting a weakness/opening.

Then you have the island of misfit primarchs. Khan, Lorgar, and Night Haunter. There's not a whole lot of material on them. Obviously the Night Lords and Whitescars love the blitzkrieg, which you have to assume is a reflection of the primarch's spirit, but as to their demeanor and personalised fighting potential, it's hard to attest. I'd even put the Lion on this list.

Before his merger with Chaos I would say Fulgrim was stronger then he is now. I know that physically this isn't possible but a deamon took over his body and I doubt the deamon gained his combat ability

Russ vs Angorn. Make it happen.

But what of the two missing Primarchs (2 and 11 I believe)? Though little or nothing is known about them, they could be 'blanks'. Think Jurgen (the smelly one) from the Ciaphas Cain books, who repels all psykers and psychic creatures.

This could, theoretically allow them to beat any other Primarch in single combat, that single moment of confusion caused by the 'blank' (power maybe seeing as they are a primarch?) could give them the time they need to kill their opponent. And psykers like Magnus would be useless.

Alpharius vs. Omegon. How do you know who really wins? Would they ever tell you?

They're the same person....

That's just what they want you to think!

Sanguinius would just fly away.

Magnus would be a tough nut to crack.
He just has to think what to do to you and it happens, then whilst you are trying to shoot/chop him he defends himself with a kine shield.

Technically they are the same person "One soul, Two Bodies."

What about Sanguinius vs Horus?

Sanguinius' rage was such that he was continuously courted by Khornate daemons hoping to turn him to their side. Win or lose, he wouldn't fly away from anyone - he's fly directly towards them while suppressing the urge to scream Blood for the Blood God.

Temujin wrote:Sanguinius' rage was such that he was continuously courted by Khornate daemons hoping to turn him to their side. Win or lose, he wouldn't fly away from anyone - he's fly directly towards them while suppressing the urge to scream Blood for the Blood God.

To Gwar.

Sanguinius didn't have a choice. Try and kill Horus or try and get away. He saw what Horus had become and decided to fight.
Although not covered in the original Bill King story from WD 161 later sources say that due to injuries sustained sanguinius was no match for the daemon feuled horus. So who knows how close a fight would have been if both were fit.

Sanguinius broke the back of a bloodthirster.
Horus seems to enjoy strutting around in fur....

Were certain primarchs stronger than others? Certainly. I would wager that the strongest primarchs were Ferrus Manus (who forged weapons with his BARE hands) or Angron (who is, well he's Angron. We all know he's huge and scary). Leman Russ and Vulcan were probably in the top strongest also.

if you were asking which primarch would prevail in martial combat amongst the others, that is a much tougher decision. The strongest ones mentioned above would be contenders, but others with more speed and guile would likely prevail, such as Horus, the Lion, Sanguinius, Guilliman etc. Remember, the Lion and Russ fought for days. Russ had his strength and rage and the Lion had whatever it took to equal Russ's power and still no clear winner emerged.

In the end though, I would vote for Russ in a large (pre-heresy) Primarch Ultimate Fighting Tournament for his combination of strength, guile and skill.

Ferrus Manus who was cut down by that loser Fulgrim?!
Horus would beat them imo. But then again...gotta stick with my Black Legion routes

'Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy in his grasp..and he let it slip away'.

Gwar! wrote:What about Sanguinius vs Horus?

sarcasm? Horus did some gruesome thing to him..I think he ripped his head off or something. I'm sure I'm wrong.

Anyway,no, I don't think so. Their Prince forms are (by their very nature) more powerful than the primarchs themselves.


I imagine angron magnus and horus to be some of the most powerful primarchs. The loyalists (and fulgrim) seem rather wimpy compared to these guys.

Sanguinius seems like a delicate wimp,fulgrim..well,he worships slaanesh. Need I say more?

As much as I love the ultras, guilliman seems like a wimp, lorgar seems pretty tough, Mortarion is okay (the lantern is pretty awesome), Russ is freakin ownage, khan seems like a Neanderthal....Ugh,I've got totally biased opinions...

As cheesy as this sounds, Angron wins hands down. Even before his ascension, he was king of badassery, rivaled only by Leman Russ.

Even if Leman Russ was the greater fighter back then (Which I highly doubt, Angron had no restraints while even Russ had some form of restraint, if only a tiny bit), Angron is now a Daemon Primarch. Larger, stronger, he's the epitome of what a champion of the Blood God should be, ruthless, (very) violent, and, well, dead killy.

However, I'm sure Russ could have beaten him back then, but it would be VERY close...

Russ would destroy them all!!

I believe the OP intended the question to be about the Primarchs before some of them went to Chaos as the Chaos Primarchs would undoubtably be far stronger.

Angron is a force to be reckoned with as well. Even before the heresy. Yeah. I change my vote to Angron.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Thats just became my avatar. Good job WAAAGH Gonads.


Perturabo VS Dorn.


Do it.

Fulgrim vs Lyoto Machida. Machida tko 2

I find it surprising that magnus never takes advantage of his surroundings when he fights Russ. Is Lightning all you can do?Really?

You never thought....hmm, maybe I can open up a bottomless hole in the earth,fill it with fire,throw Russ inside,and close the hole? That's what I would've done. That,or disassemble his power armor with a levitating screwdriver,and then turn him into a sheep? Magnus,you're a loser. Get off your lightning, it's obviously not working. Stick with boiling blood,the BA hate that.

Happygrunt wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Thats just became my avatar. Good job WAAAGH Gonads.


Perturabo VS Dorn.


Do it.

already happened, iron cage incident. Perturabo won hands down

Ah, not so fast. Dorn's Legion got solidly beat. IIRC, Dorn and Petey never came face to face, besides, Petarabo was an obliterator primarch by then (way cooler than a deamon primarch)

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
already happened, iron cage incident. Perturabo won hands down

Nobody won. Maybe Guilliman scored a tie. Dorn and Pert lost. And they didn't meet in single combat...


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sniperjolly wrote: besides, Petarabo was an obliterator primarch by then (way cooler than a deamon primarch)

Any source for that?

sniperjolly wrote:Ah, not so fast. Dorn's Legion got solidly beat. IIRC, Dorn and Petey never came face to face, besides, Petarabo was an obliterator primarch by then (way cooler than a deamon primarch)

no he ascended to deamonhood after he sacrificed the imperial fist gene seed from that incident. and true they never did come face to face in that battle, but i believe a fight between them broke out some time during the great crusade due to dorn boasting about his fortification of the Imperial palace walls

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
no he ascended to deamonhood after he sacrificed the imperial fist gene seed from that incident. and true they never did come face to face in that battle, but i believe a fight between them broke out some time during the great crusade due to dorn boasting about his fortification of the Imperial palace walls

That was what I knew too, and as far as I know, it's not been retconned. Still, nobody won the Iron Cage. Pert might have drawn some satisfaction from the Siege of Terra, though I'd imagine defeat kinda prevented him from thoroughly enjoying it.

Gwar! wrote:What about Sanguinius vs Horus?

Oh wait..