reasons why RACISM still exists: the NAACP....

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**IG_urban**

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7475737

CULVER CITY, Calif. (KABC) -- A graduation card sold at local stores has been pulled from shelves after a civil rights group raised concerns about the content. The group claims the card's micro-speaker plays a greeting that's racist.

It is a graduation greeting from Hallmark that says, "Hey world, we are officially putting you on notice."

Members of the Los Angeles NAACP did take notice. As characters known as "Hoops" and "Yoyo" banter on, African American leaders hear offensive language.

"And you black holes, you are so ominous. Watch your back," the card vocalizes.

"That was very demeaning to African American women. When it made reference to African American women as whores and at the end, it says 'watch your back,'" said Leon Jenkins of the Los Angeles NAACP.

When Hallmark was reached by phone, they said the card is all a misunderstanding. The card's theme is the solar system and emphasizes the power of the grad to take over the universe, even energy-absorbing black holes.

The card company says the card speaks about the power the grad will wield.

"The intent here is to say that this graduate is not afraid of anything," explained Hallmark spokesman Steve Doyal.

But that's not what some people heard.

"You hear the 'r' in there. 'Whores,' not, 'holes.' The 'r' is in there," said Minnie Hatley of the Los Angeles NAACP.

Hallmark sent Eyewitness News a transcript of what the card says, but Hatley says that the actual audio raises questions.

"It sounds like a group of children laughing and joking about blackness, again," said another NAACP member.

Hallmark is now notifying all of its stores to pull the card. Walgreens and CVS are doing the same.

"In any situation where there is a circumstance that we need to be sensitive to, we try to learn from that experience," said Doyal.

However, NAACP members say they do not want to see the card on store shelves ever again.

This is absolutely rediculous. Infuriating....pulling at straws...

Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc are some of the main driving reasons why racism still exists....

discuss....

**Golden Eyed Scout**

The NAACP is no longer necessary.

It is in its death throes, and trying to do anything to hoold on for the least bit longer.

That's just my take.

**IG_urban**

exactly.

**Relapse**

It reminds of of the time a senator was reviled for using the word "niggard" in a budget debate.

**Golden Eyed Scout**

Relapse wrote:It reminds of of the time a senator was reviled for using the word "niggard" in a budget debate.

I can understand that. I ahd to look up the word actually.

If he said it quietly or the sound was bad, it might have been mistaken for the word that people should revile.

**Polonius**

So, is your reasoning that racism only exists because black people are stupid, or are you saying that it exists because one chapter of an organization that represents only a segment of black people are stupid.

The first is, in itself, racist. The second is simply ridiculous.

I'd argue that racism still exists because people are still willing to ascribe the attributes and actions of individuals unto an entire race.

**c34r34lk1ll3r**

Relapse wrote:It reminds of of the time a senator was reviled for using the word "niggard" in a budget debate.[/quote

That still bothers me. If you are going to call anyone out as being racist don't prove you are an idiot in the process, it discredits you.

**Relapse**

True enough, bro.

**Golden Eyed Scout**

Polonius wrote:So, is your reasoning that racism only exists because black people are stupid, or are you saying that it exists because one chapter of an organization that represents only a segment of black people are stupid.

I'd argue that racism still exists because people are still willing to ascribe the attributes and actions of individuals unto an entire race.

The second. And I don't believe I posted anything about the NAACP representing all black people.
Unless you were refering to somebody else.

**Polonius**

No, but I'm curious why you think that having some people that are annoying is a reason for racism. If anything, you think an awfully little about white people if you think that having one black person be stupid is enough to create racism.

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What's more likely is that when the NAACP and the like point out the inequalities of our society, be they trivial or profound, the discomfort felt by privileged white people lead them to find ways to not to think about the racial divide in this country, and demeaning their concerns when they are, in fact, pretty stupid helps to group all of their concerns into the same pile.

**CT GAMER**

IG_urban wrote:http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7475737

CULVER CITY, Calif. (KABC) -- A graduation card sold at local stores has been pulled from shelves after a civil rights group raised concerns about the content. The group claims the card's micro-speaker plays a greeting that's racist.

It is a graduation greeting from Hallmark that says, "Hey world, we are officially putting you on notice."

Members of the Los Angeles NAACP did take notice. As characters known as "Hoops" and "Yoyo" banter on, African American leaders hear offensive language.

"And you black holes, you are so ominous. Watch your back," the card vocalizes.

"That was very demeaning to African American women. When it made reference to African American women as whores and at the end, it says 'watch your back,'" said Leon Jenkins of the Los Angeles NAACP.

When Hallmark was reached by phone, they said the card is all a misunderstanding. The card's theme is the solar system and emphasizes the power of the grad to take over the universe, even energy-absorbing black holes.

The card company says the card speaks about the power the grad will wield.

"The intent here is to say that this graduate is not afraid of anything," explained Hallmark spokesman Steve Doyal.

But that's not what some people heard.

"You hear the 'r' in there. 'Whores,' not, 'holes.' The 'r' is in there," said Minnie Hatley of the Los Angeles NAACP.

Hallmark sent Eyewitness News a transcript of what the card says, but Hatley says that the actual audio raises questions.

"It sounds like a group of children laughing and joking about blackness, again," said another NAACP member.

Hallmark is now notifying all of its stores to pull the card. Walgreens and CVS are doing the same.

"In any situation where there is a circumstance that we need to be sensitive to, we try to learn from that experience," said Doyal.

However, NAACP members say they do not want to see the card on store shelves ever again.

This is absolutely rediculous. Infuriating....pulling at straws...

Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc are some of the main driving reasons why racism still exists....

discuss....

When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy...

Lots of people spout things that are just as ridiculous about minorities, immigrants, gays, muslims, and so forth on a daily basis. Not to mention the actual hate crimes and discrimination that still take place daily in the US.

Get over it...

**Emperors Faithful**

OP is off. Way off.

**Slarg232**

CT GAMER wrote:
When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy...

Lots of people spout things that are just as ridiculous about minorities, immigrants, gays, muslims, and so forth on a daily basis. Not to mention the actual hate crimes and discrimination that still take place daily in the US.

Get over it...

Considering black slaves were purchased from other blacks back back then. Also, as far as I know, no other culteral backround in the country uses racial slurs like [see forum posting rules] and Cracker (as far as I know)

Also: Immigrants I have no problem, as long as their legal.
Gays that advertise they are gays when they know the culteral norm and the consequences of being such are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch, ya know?
And Muslim extremeists blow themselves up, what more do you expect?

Edit: And isn't it racist that one of those racial slurs up above is censored and the other isn't? Not complaining, just bringing up a point.

**Ahtman**

CT GAMER wrote:
When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy...

But why bring the Irish into this?

**Nightwatch**

Ahtman wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy...

But why bring the Irish into this?

I was going to say Catholics, and then Protestants, and then realized we might as well say the whole world. Note the "l" in whole.

**Polonius**

Slarg232 wrote:
Considering black slaves were purchased from other blacks back back then. Also, as far as I know, no other culteral backround in the country uses racial slurs like [see forum posting rules] and Cracker (as far as I know)

So, the two centuries of free labor are fine, because at some point one black guy was given money? Did that even make sense in your head, because it doesn't make sense to anybody with any sense of perspective.

Also, Cracker isn't just a racial slur, it's a delicious snack food, and used far more commonly for that than to demean blue eyed devils.

Also: Immigrants I have no problem, as long as their legal.

that's suprisingly tolerant of you.

Gays that advertise they are gays when they know the culteral norm and the consequences of being such are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch, ya know?

I don't even have a joke for this one. I think, like Outsider Art, it's beauty defies analysis.

And Muslim extremeists blow themselves up, what more do you expect?

This is interesting. So, because out of the billion or so Muslims, there are a few hundred thousand or so that take up terrorism, the religion obviously should be mocked. The simple fact that you can say things like that to excuse bigoted behavior shows the sheer depth of your bigotry.

Edit: And isn't it racist that one of those racial slurs up above is censored and the other isn't? Not complaining, just bringing up a point.

No. It's a reflection of the fact that a lot of people are offended by one term, and virtually nobody is offended by the other.

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Ahtman wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy...

But why bring the Irish into this?

First off, it's important to note that even in the middle ages, Chattel slavery (as existed in the US) was always seen as worse than any form of serfdom or peonage. The slavery that existed 160 years ago would have been seen as brutal by the ancient Greeks, a people quite fond of slavery themselves.

Secondly, given that there are profound differences between slave ancestors and other Americans, while there aren't between Irish and English, or Poles and Russians, helps to explain why there is more fuss made of it.

**Tyras**

CT GAMER wrote:
When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy..

By your logic I should be able to go over to Italy and demand a hand out because the Romans kicked the crap out of my ancestors. At least in America most people who experienced slavery have passed from living memory, and although discrimination still exists, it exists on both sides. There are plenty of minority neighborhoods where a white guy would do best to avoid, hell I got laughed at and told "get the hell outta here" at a gas station in a black neighborhood in Baton Rouge LA when I asked the attendant to turn on the gas pump. Had it been a non-white at a gas station in a prodominately white area we'd have a national story with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson baying for blood.

The NAACP and their ilk have made a business out of race baiting. They are the problem.

**c34r34lk1ll3r**

Relapse wrote:
c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:
Relapse wrote:It reminds of of the time a senator was reviled for using the word "niggard" in a budget debate.[/quote

That still bothers me. If you are going to call anyone out as being racist don't prove you are an idiot in the process, it discredits you.

Who am I calling racist how does this prove I'm an idiot?

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Weird, double post.

The forums are acting strange right now

you misunderstand. I wasn't directing that at you. I was talking about those who made the accusations that "niggardly" is racist. I'm sorry if it seems like I was calling you a racist. That wasn't my intent, I actually agree.

**Nightwatch**

Polonius wrote:
Secondly, given that there are profound differences between slave ancestors and other Americans, while there aren't between Irish and English, or Poles and Russians, helps to explain why there is more fuss made of it.

You just signed your own Dakka Dakka Certified Death Warrant.
At least you didn't say Australia and New Zealand.

**Ahtman**

Polonius wrote:
Secondly, given that there are profound differences between slave ancestors and other Americans,

Lack of knowledge of history is why people make less of a fuss of it. For once, I feel you don't quite have quite a grasp on the situation. Irish and Italians were just as much second-class citizens for a great deal of American history.

**Polonius**

Tyras wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy..

By your logic I should be able to go over to Italy and demand a hand out because the Romans kicked the crap out of my ancestors. At least in America most people who experienced slavery have passed from living memory, and although discrimination still exists, it exists on both sides. There are plenty of minority neighborhoods where a white guy would do best to avoid, hell I got laughed at and told "get the hell outta here" at a gas station in a black neighborhood in Baton Rouge LA when I asked the attendant to turn on the gas pump. Had it been a non-white at a gas station in a prodominately white area we'd have a national story with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson baying for blood.

The NAACP and their ilk have made a business out of race baiting. They are the problem.

What makes me sad is that it's possible you actually think that.

Call me a bleeding heart liberal, but isn't the problem the massive difference in income level, wealth, health care, incarceration rate, etc. a bit more of a problem than a few jackasses?

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Ahtman wrote:
Polonius wrote:
Secondly, given that there are profound differences between slave ancestors and other Americans,

Lack of knowledge of history is why people make less of a fuss of it. For once, I feel you don't quite have quite a grasp on the situation. Irish and Italians were just as much second-class citizens for a great deal of American history.

You can't possibly be serious. Are you comparing their status then to the status of slave ancestors now, or are you comparing being a white immigrant to being a black slave?

Either way, the simply fact that immigration was voluntary and followed by profound upward social mobility makes even the first argument weak.

**Slarg232**

Polonius wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Considering black slaves were purchased from other blacks back back then. Also, as far as I know, no other culteral backround in the country uses racial slurs like [see forum posting rules] and Cracker (as far as I know)

So, the two centuries of free labor are fine, because at some point one black guy was given money? Did that even make sense in your head, because it doesn't make sense to anybody with any sense of perspective.

Also, Cracker isn't just a racial slur, it's a delicious snack food, and used far more commonly for that than to demean blue eyed devils.

Also: Immigrants I have no problem, as long as their legal.

that's suprisingly tolerant of you.

Gays that advertise they are gays when they know the culteral norm and the consequences of being such are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch, ya know?

I don't even have a joke for this one. I think, like Outsider Art, it's beauty defies analysis.

And Muslim extremeists blow themselves up, what more do you expect?

This is interesting. So, because out of the billion or so Muslims, there are a few hundred thousand or so that take up terrorism, the religion obviously should be mocked. The simple fact that you can say things like that to excuse bigoted behavior shows the sheer depth of your bigotry.

Edit: And isn't it racist that one of those racial slurs up above is censored and the other isn't? Not complaining, just bringing up a point.

No. It's a reflection of the fact that a lot of people are offended by one term, and virtually nobody is offended by the other.

No, the fact that the black dudes were payed does not make two centuries of "Free Labor" right, but most people say it is entirely white dude's fault, and this is not the case. If one of the racial slurs is censored, than all of them should be. By your "Cracker is a delicious snack food" comment, you could argue that the N word (solely refered to as that by filter) is Latin for black, and as such I am not making a comment about your race, but am speaking to you in another language.

I would like to consider myself as not being racist. My Chaos Marine army is going to have blacks in it, and if they ever come out with plastic Sisters, women of both colors. But that is sexism. However, if anyone calls me Cracker, I garrun-god-damn-tee you that the N word is going to be used.

I see that you say you have no joke for my gay comment and yet crack one off anyway with the backhanded outsider art comment.

And yeah, I am kinda bigoted, I suppose. 9/11 kinda does that to you. Every religion gets made fun of, and yes, every single one of them gets angry. However, how many do you see supporting crashing planes into buildings?

**Polonius**

Slarg232 wrote:
No, the fact that the black dudes were payed does not make two centuries of "Free Labor" right, but most people say it is entirely white dude's fault, and this is not the case. If one of the racial slurs is censored, than all of them should be. By your "Cracker is a delicious snack food" comment, you could argue that the N word (solely refered to as that by filter) is Latin for black, and as such I am not making a comment about your race, but am speaking to you in another language.

I think that fixating on blame is part of the problem. At the end of the day, thanks to chattel slavery, white americans got rich, Black slaves got nothing, and black slavers in africa got a little something. Black slaves were still pretty royally screwed.

As for the cracker comment, you conveniently missed the point where i said "used more frequently as." If we commonly used latin for our chromatic descriptors, then your argument carries some weight. I'd imagine any filter on Dakka that stops cracker would catch a racial slur less than 5% of the time, and even then probably used ironically.

I would like to consider myself as not being racist. My Chaos Marine army is going to have blacks in it, and if they ever come out with plastic Sisters, women of both colors. But that is sexism. However, if anyone calls me Cracker, I garrun-god-damn-tee you that the N word is going to be used.

I don't think you're necessarily a racist. I think you're doing two things: 1) not properly understanding the profound racial divide in this country, it's effects and it's causes, and 2) being far more willing to judge groups by individuals than would be appropriate.

As for a person calling you cracker, well, knock yourself out. I feel a certain noblesse oblige about slurs like that, and my main form of racism is finding anti-white slurs to be simply adorable.

I see that you say you have no joke for my gay comment and yet crack one off anyway with the backhanded outsider art comment.

It's DaDa. I'm like Duchamp, and you're comment was my Fountain.

And yeah, I am kinda bigoted, I suppose. 9/11 kinda does that to you. Every religion gets made fun of, and yes, every single one of them gets angry. However, how many do you see supporting crashing planes into buildings?

The problem is that you're looking at as the actions of a religion. Even if you narrowed the focus down to the extreme forms of Wahabbism you'd be closer to what's really going on. Islam is a huge religion, with diversity and range. Groups like Al-Qaida represent the norm of Islam in roughly same way the KKK in the 1920's represented the norm of Protestantism. yes, there is some widespread support, but also a lot of condemnation.

**IG_urban**

Polonius wrote:So, is your reasoning that racism only exists because black people are stupid, or are you saying that it exists because one chapter of an organization that represents only a segment of black people are stupid.

The first is, in itself, racist. The second is simply ridiculous.

I'd argue that racism still exists because people are still willing to ascribe the attributes and actions of individuals unto an entire race.

I never said racism only exists because of stupid black people. The organization that claims to represent the population of America that is black is the issue. I classify the NAACP in the same boat as PETA, they would rather have black people not exist as to not offend any of them. If you scour and transcribe and misinterpret EVERYTHING to justify your cause (as many people of many religions do with the bible, Quoran, Tora, etc) then all you are doing is causing a problem. We are already a hyper politically correct society, we don't need organizations like the NAACP going around trying to start problems. The fact is, in a lot of cases, it's reverse racism. Picking apart anything the "establishment" does and twisting it around to sound racist? jesus....

Polonius wrote:What's more likely is that when the NAACP and the like point out the inequalities of our society, be they trivial or profound, the discomfort felt by privileged white people lead them to find ways to not to think about the racial divide in this country, and demeaning their concerns when they are, in fact, pretty stupid helps to group all of their concerns into the same pile.

Banning a greeting card about galaxies and graduates because one of the words KIND of sounded like whores is NOT an inequality in our society. The fact is, the majority of the claims from the NAACP are as frivolous and petty as this. Al Sharpton and the NAACP are the exact OPPOSITE of what MLK and MLK Jr wanted.

CT GAMER wrote:When you have been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years I guess you get a little touchy...

Lots of people spout things that are just as ridiculous about minorities, immigrants, gays, muslims, and so forth on a daily basis. Not to mention the actual hate crimes and discrimination that still take place daily in the US.

Get over it...

yes but the NAACP does NOTHING to address serious hate crimes. NOTHING. EVERY CULTURE has been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years. But the NAACP are the one of the only major organizations STILL whining and dragging it on, and on, and on, and on, and on, perpetually feeding the victim mentality. Hate crimes and racism do exist, and the NAACP does NOT HELP.

Tyras wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:

By your logic I should be able to go over to Italy and demand a hand out because the Romans kicked the crap out of my ancestors. At least in America most people who experienced slavery have passed from living memory, and although discrimination still exists, it exists on both sides. There are plenty of minority neighborhoods where a white guy would do best to avoid, hell I got laughed at and told "get the hell outta here" at a gas station in a black neighborhood in Baton Rouge LA when I asked the attendant to turn on the gas pump. Had it been a non-white at a gas station in a prodominately white area we'd have a national story with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson baying for blood.

The NAACP and their ilk have made a business out of race baiting. They are the problem.

exactly. exactly.

**Relapse**

c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:
Relapse wrote:
c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:
Relapse wrote:It reminds of of the time a senator was reviled for using the word "niggard" in a budget debate.[/quote

That still bothers me. If you are going to call anyone out as being racist don't prove you are an idiot in the process, it discredits you.

Who am I calling racist how does this prove I'm an idiot?

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Weird, double post.

The forums are acting strange right now

you misunderstand. I wasn't directing that at you. I was talking about those who made the accusations that "niggardly" is racist. I'm sorry if it seems like I was calling you a racist. That wasn't my intent, I actually agree.

Sorry 'bout that,I suddenly realized had a brain fart there and edited my earlier, misguided post. That whole time the senator was being lambasted made me feel like I had suddenly found myself about 6 rungs up the food chain.

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I'm reminded of the old joke about a beauty pagent to celebrate Ebonics.

It didn't go over because they couldn't find anyone willing to be Miss Idaho.

**Polonius**

IG_urban wrote:
I never said racism only exists because of stupid black people. The organization that claims to represent the population of America that is black is the issue. I classify the NAACP in the same boat as PETA, they would rather have black people not exist as to not offend any of them. If you scour and transcribe and misinterpret EVERYTHING to justify your cause (as many people of many religions do with the bible, Quoran, Tora, etc) then all you are doing is causing a problem. We are already a hyper politically correct society, we don't need organizations like the NAACP going around trying to start problems. The fact is, in a lot of cases, it's reverse racism. Picking apart anything the "establishment" does and twisting it around to sound racist? jesus....

You're still trying to make the claim that "Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc are some of the main driving reasons why racism still exists.... ", which requires you to somehow link the racism seen with these actions.

I'm not sure how this could be reverse racism, although I suppose Hallmark is as much a part of the "establishment" as any other mid level national corporation.

Banning a greeting card about galaxies and graduates because one of the words KIND of sounded like whores is NOT an inequality in our society. The fact is, the majority of the claims from the NAACP are as frivolous and petty as this. Al Sharpton and the NAACP are the exact OPPOSITE of what MLK and MLK Jr wanted.

Ok, from the top:
The treatment of black women as sex objects, (by both whites and blacks), is an inequality when compared with white women.
The card wasn't banned, it was removed voluntarily by the company.
I'm going to make a stab here, and guess that you probably don't know exactly what MLK wanted, because if you did, you'd realize that in many ways, this is what he wanted. A group to be able to make demands, and be heard.

What he didn't want was for a group like the NAACP's actions to be used as ammunition against all black people. When PETA does something stupid, people don't blame all vegetarians, animal lovers, or white people. Yet you feel comfortable blaming the NAACP for racism?

yes but the NAACP does NOTHING to address serious hate crimes. NOTHING. EVERY CULTURE has been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years. But the NAACP are the one of the only major organizations STILL whining and dragging it on, and on, and on, and on, and on, perpetually feeding the victim mentality. Hate crimes and racism do exist, and the NAACP does NOT HELP.

First, if you're going to make a claim, don't make it a laughably easy one to dispute. http://www.naacp.org/get-involved/activism/alerts/111thaa-2009-07-30-c/index.htm

Second, as I argued above, the NAACP is the only major group arguing against racism because they're the main group defending the only major group that still feels the full brunt of discrimination, both in the forms of racism and simple inequality.

The NAACP and their ilk have made a business out of race baiting. They are the problem.

exactly. exactly.

The NAACP, like most activist groups, makes some missteps, and some of their chapters act in ways that are hurtful to their cause. They're still not the reason for racism, and there's no way to make that claim without painting White Americans as the dumbest group of bigots possible.

**malfred**

THIS is why racism exists:

http://www.pvponline.com/2010/06/04/the-race-card/

**Polonius**

Hey, I'm pretty stupid. I think racism exists because fear of the other is a relatively common behavior in human minds, and that behavior is exploited for political and economic gain by business, religious, political and social leaders.

**Ahtman**

Polonius wrote:Either way, the simply fact that immigration was voluntary and followed by profound upward social mobility makes even the first argument weak.

Wow, I guess you can't know everything. Just a quick guide to American ethnic history. Not every group was considered White, and were treated as such, and they include the following: Irish, Italians, Jews, Native Americans, Chinese, and Latinos. There are several good books about the problems these groups faced, and being a de facto slave is really just a slave by another name. The Chinese died building railroads, the Irish died building northern infrastructure projects . You seem to be trying to create a moral taxonomy on oppression and discrimination, which is somewhat ridiculous. It sucks all around for everyone. Suffering isn't unique to any specific group. The social mobility of these groups were neither quick nor was it easy and to dismiss it in such a manners is both unfounded and foolish.

You need to do some reading.

How the Irish Became White

How Jews Became White Folks: and what that says about race in America

Are Italians White?: How Race is Made in America

And of Course: The History of White People

**IG_urban**

Polonius wrote:
IG_urban wrote:
I never said racism only exists because of stupid black people. The organization that claims to represent the population of America that is black is the issue. I classify the NAACP in the same boat as PETA, they would rather have black people not exist as to not offend any of them. If you scour and transcribe and misinterpret EVERYTHING to justify your cause (as many people of many religions do with the bible, Quoran, Tora, etc) then all you are doing is causing a problem. We are already a hyper politically correct society, we don't need organizations like the NAACP going around trying to start problems. The fact is, in a lot of cases, it's reverse racism. Picking apart anything the "establishment" does and twisting it around to sound racist? jesus....

You're still trying to make the claim that "Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc are some of the main driving reasons why racism still exists.... ", which requires you to somehow link the racism seen with these actions.

I'm not sure how this could be reverse racism, although I suppose Hallmark is as much a part of the "establishment" as any other mid level national corporation.

Banning a greeting card about galaxies and graduates because one of the words KIND of sounded like whores is NOT an inequality in our society. The fact is, the majority of the claims from the NAACP are as frivolous and petty as this. Al Sharpton and the NAACP are the exact OPPOSITE of what MLK and MLK Jr wanted.

Ok, from the top:
The treatment of black women as sex objects, (by both whites and blacks), is an inequality when compared with white women.
The card wasn't banned, it was removed voluntarily by the company.
I'm going to make a stab here, and guess that you probably don't know exactly what MLK wanted, because if you did, you'd realize that in many ways, this is what he wanted. A group to be able to make demands, and be heard.

What he didn't want was for a group like the NAACP's actions to be used as ammunition against all black people. When PETA does something stupid, people don't blame all vegetarians, animal lovers, or white people. Yet you feel comfortable blaming the NAACP for racism?

yes but the NAACP does NOTHING to address serious hate crimes. NOTHING. EVERY CULTURE has been persecuted, enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, exploited and discriminated against for hundreds of years. But the NAACP are the one of the only major organizations STILL whining and dragging it on, and on, and on, and on, and on, perpetually feeding the victim mentality. Hate crimes and racism do exist, and the NAACP does NOT HELP.

First, if you're going to make a claim, don't make it a laughably easy one to dispute. http://www.naacp.org/get-involved/activism/alerts/111thaa-2009-07-30-c/index.htm

Second, as I argued above, the NAACP is the only major group arguing against racism because they're the main group defending the only major group that still feels the full brunt of discrimination, both in the forms of racism and simple inequality.

The NAACP and their ilk have made a business out of race baiting. They are the problem.

exactly. exactly.

The NAACP, like most activist groups, makes some missteps, and some of their chapters act in ways that are hurtful to their cause. They're still not the reason for racism, and there's no way to make that claim without painting White Americans as the dumbest group of bigots possible.

I don't know if you have ever heard of strip clubs, or gentleman's clubs, or escorts...but women, pan-nationally, are treated as sex objects..its an ugly truth, but I do not think it discriminates.

I was saying exactly to THIS sentence. Had it been a non-white at a gas station in a predominately white area we'd have a national story with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson baying for blood. It's true, you know its true, and its reverse fething racism.

if the card had not have been removed voluntarily, there would have been a lawsuit, close enough to a ban for me.

I have read up quite a bit on the great MLK and MLK jr. And he wanted equal rights, not special rights. If I made a NAAWP, I would be fething crucified, called a racist, and stoned, drawn and quartered and gakked upon. It's the whole victim mentality and special rights thing that the NAACP and people like Al SHarpton and Jesse Jackson propegate that causes more racism.

and white people, in America, particularly in the bible belt and the midwest, but essentially everywhere, are the worst, so don't think I am being KKK advocate....ignorant white people piss me off more than anything else does...look at ICP (STAY ON TOPIC!!!)