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Odd question, I know,

But the way I look at it... The flag (as far as I know) isn't used in any official capacity, unless you count David Cameron's publicity bid It represents a country that technically doesn't exist and isn't recognised by the European Union which in addition doesn't enjoy any of the perks of devolution.

Thus, the only groups that I immediately associate with this flag are those damn undesirable nationalists and, of course, sports fans.

I could go into why I don't like its use as a football flag... but I just wanted to put these points out for discussion:

1. Can we really call a flag which, if you wish to purchase it, leads to a great struggle to actually get your hands on one without a brand (ENGERLAND, BEER, ETC.) scribbled on it really a real flag?

2. Do any of you that don't belong to the stereotypical groups known for using the flag actually relate to it? Do you see the green fields of England, her quaint little maypoles and dancing countryfolk or just a few skinheads out of This is England?

3. What does the flag mean to you? Is England a country that doesn't need legal status? Though, of course, this is from my limited knowledge... if anyone can prove me wrong about England's existence, please do: I just see "United Kingdom" on the atlas is all

I'm not sure of contemporary usage but it does seem to have a pretty storied history. At first glance I certainly saw a connection with the Crusades.

St George's Cross on Wikipedia

England exists as a nation, because the Union is a coalition of nations.

It is also a historical symbol that mean s more than just football and needs to be reclaimed from the far right.

At any rate those who want to se it banned, not worn etc should be put in their place and people allowed to celebrate their identity. If its ok for the Scottish to have an identity then we can too.

But surely the history of England dominating the British Isles and the flag's usage as a crusader 'un is something that far right are naturally going to be far more attached to than any modern and progressive Briton?

Damn, you're tiresome. We get it, you don't like your country. If that's the case, just move somewhere else - no-one's stopping you.

If England isn't technically a nation then it needs to be kicked out of the world cup post haste.

Quickly someone find the number for Fifa and let them know before the USA plays them tonight.

Also Australia beat England in the rugby tonight.

When I see St George's flag I think of Englanders who are proud of their country. Something that the other members of the union seem to have in abundance, but not in England.

Waaagh_Gonads: When I see St George's flag I think of Englanders who are proud of their country. Something that the other members of the union seem to have in abundance, but not in England

We are not aloud to fly to st Georges cross it is seen as racist in england but i am flying my flag I don't care what people think of my countries flag

What the feth are you talking about? Since when is it racist?

Of course it is a National Flag
As all the other GB counties also

Heacy that is political incorrectness gone mad.
You are ALLOWED to fly the Cross of St. George

It is ture Henners that it has sadly been (mis)appropriated by nutters so it is up to sane guys to claim it back. Being proud of ones' nationality is not the same as a believe in superiority or repression of others.

its the national flag of En-gur-land, so yes

The Dreadnote: What the feth are you talking about? Since when is it racist?

I don't know when it became racist or why but some people are complaining about the england so some councils have said that the flag is racist to keep the foreigners happy ( no offense)

Chibi Bodge-Battle: Heacy that is political incorrectness gone mad.
You are ALLOWED to fly the Cross of St. George

I know it is political correctness gone mad but A lot of people have been told to take there flag down

Of course it's a real flag.

They fly it on the tower of the church behind my house for all sorts of occasions. It is up there now for the Queen's Birthday.

It is flown all year round by a local firm.
My father has a tall flag pole which he runs up either the St. George's Cross or a White Ensign.

People are happily driving cars with them flapping merrily in the wind.

There will be one outside the local British Legion.
Our church doesn't have a flagpole.

Ah Found it. Lancashire County Council have banned flags on certain council vehicles. It appears not to be a universal ban and seems appriopriate that certain vehicles maintain a sense of professionalism.

Phil Halsall, the council's executive director for resources at the county council, said: "It's nonsense that we've banned staff from celebrating the World Cup. Many of the management team are keen supporters themselves.

Of course our first responsibility is to provide the best services to our residents. Where it's appropriate, we're very happy for staff to show their support for the England team.

There are some areas of our services though where flying a flag or wearing a shirt is less appropriate, so we've asked managers to exercise their discretion.

Of course our first responsibility is to provide the best services to our residents. Where it's appropriate, we're very happy for staff to show their support for the England team.

The only exception to this is that we've requested that staff not display flags on county council-branded vehicles. We've asked staff to make this compromise in the interest of making sure our residents know we put services to them first."

Usual PR speechifying but sounds fair enough.

Henners91 is a student and therefore doesn't live in the real world as the rest of us do.

To make the above statement he is clearly not a student of English, Geography or History which to my knowledge of the modern educational establishment only leaves Media Studies.

Says it all really.

[note some or all of the above statement may in fact be based on some massive assumptions and the pre match beer which I am now invibing}

ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND................................

I'm sorry to have to jump in and crrect you but its spelt englandshire.

also the thing that is most annoying, is the PC gone wrong, in the ASDA in edinburgh they have banned the selling of all england related football items for "diplomatic and commercial" reasons, I myself don't particually like englandshire but that is OTT

Albatross wrote:Damn, you're tiresome. We get it, you don't like your country. If that's the case, just move somewhere else - no-one's stopping you.

But I haven't even posted yet!

Is the St. George's Flag a real flag?

Until you can convince me that this is photoshop!

FM Ninja 048 wrote:I'm sorry to have to jump in and crrect you but its spelt englandshire.

also the thing that is most annoying, is the PC gone wrong, in the ASDA in edinburgh they have banned the selling of all england related football items for "diplomatic and commercial" reasons, I myself don't particually like englandshire but that is OTT

Please note the location.

It's in Scotlandshire. They hate us and we don't care
Asda in Edidingburgh would get razed to the ground if they sold England merchandise.
That is not PC gone mad. It's 'elf and Safety gone mad!

Blimey now I am typing with a stammer as well :O

FM Ninja 048 wrote:I'm sorry to have to jump in and crrect you but its spelt englandshire.

also the thing that is most annoying, is the PC gone wrong, in the ASDA in edinburgh they have banned the selling of all england related football items for "diplomatic and commercial" reasons, I myself don't particually like englandshire but that is OTT

Don't you pay 'em no mind.

Is St George's cross a real flag?


Uh yes it is!!!!! It's even represented on the flag of my current home country Northern Ireland, which is also a real flag

Albatross wrote:Damn, you're tiresome. We get it, you don't like your country. If that's the case, just move somewhere else - no-one's stopping you.

+1 post

@chub: Strange, when I ask the locals around here, they insist that there is no such thing as "Northern" Ireland.

I do live in Ireland though.

But yes, it's a real flag.

To be honest, I wish England would just get rid of Scotland. They don't want us and we certainly don't need them. The North Sea hardly does anything nowadays since we import everything from Russia, so thats no reason to keep Scotland.

Gwar! wrote:@chub: Strange, when I ask the locals around here, they insist that there is no such thing as "Northern" Ireland.

I do live in Ireland though.

But yes, it's a real flag.

To be honest, I wish England would just get rid of Scotland. They don't want us and we certainly don't need them. The North Sea hardly does anything nowadays since we import everything from Russia, so thats no reason to keep Scotland.

Someone imports something from russia?

notprop wrote:Henners91 is a student and therefore doesn't live in the real world as the rest of us do.

To make the above statement he is clearly not a student of English, Geography or History which to my knowledge of the modern educational establishment only leaves Media Studies.

Says it all really.

[note some or all of the above statement may in fact be based on some massive assumptions and the pre match beer which I am now invibing}

ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND, ENG-ER-LAND................................

Modern History 'n' Politics, mind you, this is at the University of Reading....

ShumaGorath wrote:

Albatross wrote:Damn, you're tiresome. We get it, you don't like your country. If that's the case, just move somewhere else - no-one's stopping you.

But I haven't even posted yet!

Is the St. George's Flag a real flag?

Until you can convince me that this is photoshop!

It's the Georgian flag, isn't it?

Henners91 wrote:Modern History 'n' Politics, mind you, this is at the University of Reading....

Then shame on you, and U of Reading's teaching efforts, for not knowing that the Flag of St. George is both real and valid. It still has much usage in the UK, especially in different areas of HM Government. The Royal Navy is just one such example.

Henners91 wrote:It's the Georgian flag, isn't it?

No, that is England's flag. This is Georgia's flag:


But please, all of you conspiracy theorists, keep in mind that the ban on the Flag of St. George is just a myth.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/8697240.stm

JEB_Stuart wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Modern History 'n' Politics, mind you, this is at the University of Reading....

Then shame on you, and U of Reading's teaching efforts, for not knowing that the Flag of St. George is both real and valid. It still has much usage in the UK, especially in different areas of HM Government. The Royal Navy is just one such example.

Henners91 wrote:It's the Georgian flag, isn't it?

No, that is England's flag. This is Georgia's flag:


But please, all of you conspiracy theorists, keep in mind that the ban on the Flag of St. George is just a myth.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/8697240.stm

It's not anymore (Georgia's flag)...

Indeed, and hasn't since 2004.


Current flag of the Country Georgia (Even though it is De Facto a rump state since the secession of that bit whose name I can't remember).

Gwar! wrote:Indeed, and hasn't since 2004.


Current flag of the Country Georgia (Even though it is De Facto a rump state since the secession of that bit whose name I can't remember).

South Ossetia? If it weren't for it's bizarre inclusion in the game chromehounds I may not remember it either.

Gwar! wrote:@chub: Strange, when I ask the locals around here, they insist that there is no such thing as "Northern" Ireland.

I do live in Ireland though.

1.5 million people say you are wrong

Gwar! wrote:But yes, it's a real flag.

not sure how many million people say you are right

Edit:One thing I have to say about NI is it doesnt matter what side of the divide you fall on you are proud of your country and of its flag, be it the "RedHand" or the "TriColor"

chub wrote:

Gwar! wrote:@chub: Strange, when I ask the locals around here, they insist that there is no such thing as "Northern" Ireland.

I do live in Ireland though.

1.5 million people say you are wrong

What I find strange about that is that, even when the British tried to ignore the existence of the Northern Irish... I they committed violence against us in order to ensure they got to stay with us rather than an Irish Republic; kind of planted the idea in my head of some Irishman hitting a British soldier with a plank and yelling "CAN'T YOU SEE WE LOVE YOU?!"

Henners91 wrote:

chub wrote:

Gwar! wrote:@chub: Strange, when I ask the locals around here, they insist that there is no such thing as "Northern" Ireland.

I do live in Ireland though.

1.5 million people say you are wrong

What I find strange about that is that, even when the British tried to ignore the existence of the Northern Irish... I they committed violence against us in order to ensure they got to stay with us rather than an Irish Republic; kind of planted the idea in my head of some Irishman hitting a British soldier with a plank and yelling "CAN'T YOU SEE WE LOVE YOU?!"

WHAT???? Do you mean the British committed violence to the Irish or the Irish committed violence towards the british? Either way it is a whole can of worms you are opening..

BTW wher do you come from??