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Good ol' Surrey... And I'll add a quick apology, I see a bit of text is missing from that reply, I meant to say "I believe they committed violence". My knowledge of pre-war Ireland is, in all honestly, fairly lax. It was simply my understanding that the Northern Irish opposed Home Rule violently.

Jeb

The Royal Navy fly the White Ensign, which has the Union Jack in the upper left hand quarter. Unless you are looking from starboard when it is in the upper right.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:The Royal Navy fly the White Ensign, which has the Union Jack in the upper left hand quarter. Unless you are looking from starboard when it is in the upper right.

Which is itself a variation of the Flag of St. George.

(The flag of) St. George is both real and valid. It still has much usage in the UK, especially in different areas of HM Government. The Royal Navy is just one such example.

Which suggests the Royal Navy fly the Flag of St. George.

Henners91 wrote:Good ol' Surrey... And I'll add a quick apology, I see a bit of text is missing from that reply, I meant to say "I believe they committed violence". My knowledge of pre-war Ireland is, in all honestly, fairly lax. It was simply my understanding that the Northern Irish opposed Home Rule violently.

I think you are referring to the Ulster Covenant which was signed in 1912 and did oppose home rule, AFAIK the violence was commited mainly by the republicans culminating 4 years later in the Easter Uprising,but as we all know the violence would go on for another 90 years with attrocities from both sides of the coin However it is interesting to note that at the time Sinn Fein opposed the home rule bill as well.

Because Sinn Fein want an all Ireland government or nothing at all.

To this day they refuse to take up their Westminster Seats and the decision to take their Dublin seats split it in two.

Henners91 wrote:2. Do any of you that don't belong to the stereotypical groups known for using the flag actually relate to it? Do you see the green fields of England, her quaint little maypoles and dancing countryfolk or just a few skinheads out of This is England?

Funnily enough, This is England was about seperating skinhead aesthetics from racism, showing them as a working class group and highlighting their origins in Jamaican rude boy culture. It then shows the introduction of racism into the movement.

It's a pretty good movie, if you don't mind the inconsistancy that's inevitable with amateur actors and semi-improvisation.

Hrm, I liked the film, but clearly it did little to impact my views of the group (they smash a house darn it). That kid was annoying, mind...

Henners91 wrote:Hrm, I liked the film, but clearly it did little to impact my views of the group (they smash a house darn it). That kid was annoying, mind...

Yeah, the movie wasn't a complete success in seperating them, in that it didn't really, and instead spent the body of the movie dealing with racist skinheads.

It's a shame really, because working class culture deserves its own symbols free of racism.

'S'always Punk.

Ah, well I agree with Henners that the St George Cross makes me think of uber-nationalists/skinheads/racists/hooligans, and did even before seeing This is England, but that's because I'm Scots. I actually wish I didn't see it that way, and have been trying to train myself recently by thinking nice thoughts about English people I know (like my GF) when walking past an England flag. My gut still doesn't agree though.

random linky: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/loony-lefties-ban-england-flag-made-with-blood-of-dead-argies-201006112805/

It needs to be reclaimed, but I think more to the point, why the FETH do the Cornish have a flag?

One could say the same about the Scottish flag....

Albatross wrote:One could say the same about the Scottish flag....

Don't go there, you know how protective we are of EVERY aspect of our culture.

That would be because the Cornish wish they were their own country, but don't have the abilty to blow up the land and float away yet =p

Oshova

What about the Conish version of the IRA, the CNLA or as the Sun dubbed the The Ooh Arh Ay

The cornish flag is older than any new seperatist movement

Predictably the flag is the cross of the patron saint (St Pirran)
I love google

double post

Oshova wrote:That would be because the Cornish wish they were their own country, but don't have the abilty to blow up the land and float away yet =p

Oshova

As always i have no time for any of this nonsense, im from Yorkshire and some idiots there want to be seperate as well.

I was based in Exmouth for 2 years, i heard enough of this gak back then and it bored me to the back teeth. To be fair 99% of the locals think its idiotic as well, but you always find one like this.

Ill tell you what, we can fight you for it. You "Celtic" fringe Cornish fethers can be independent if you beat us in a good old fashioned war. Ill lead 50,000 men from Yorkshire and the North East and we will crush you soft southern pansies beneath our iron heels.

At this point we will take all your pasties, but not much else. You can keep the cycloptic toothless tractor driving women.

On a more realistic note, the Cornish economy, all things being equal, wouldn't support devolution.
They would have less ability to support themselves than Scotland without huge subsidies from the EU or Westminster.

It ain't gonna happen.

mattyrm wrote:Ill lead 50,000 men from Yorkshire and the North East and we will crush you soft southern pansies beneath our iron heels.

Now there's a policy I can get behind.

The Dreadnote wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Ill lead 50,000 men from Yorkshire and the North East and we will crush you soft southern pansies beneath our iron heels.

Now there's a policy I can get behind.

Bagsy Field-Marshal!

They are ill lead men, Albatross.

Sounds like the current chap in charge needs to be relieved of his post!

Can I defend the south? I've always wanted to be the next General Lee.

Southern Pride.

Eloquence and snobbish middle-class disdain for the Northern peasantry will win the day.

Isn't Southern Pride a Gay Rights March in Truro?

Henners91 wrote:Can I defend the south? I've always wanted to be the next General Lee.

Southern Pride.

Eloquence and snobbish middle-class disdain for the Northern peasantry will win the day.

Ummm one word NO!

Following your inability of not being able to accept St Georges Cross as an official flag, you can no longer be classed as English therefore you cannot lead us sSouthern Pansies into war

However as a tru bred Wiltshireman I will gather forces and lead us forth, who will rally under my banner

Southern Pride? Pfft.




That's what I'm talking about!

surely you mean this

They may be Northern...
but they sure ain't monkeys

Henners91 wrote:Can I defend the south? I've always wanted to be the next General Lee.

Southern Pride.

Eloquence and snobbish middle-class disdain for the Northern peasantry will win the day.

DUDE.
We have access to the elite Northumbrians in our army. Those guys are descended from Vikings. I should know, my family comes from there.
You southerners don't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

heacy hitter wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads: When I see St George's flag I think of Englanders who are proud of their country. Something that the other members of the union seem to have in abundance, but not in England

We are not aloud to fly to st Georges cross it is seen as racist in england but i am flying my flag I don't care what people think of my countries flag

Good show man! Let them simmer in their ignorance!