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Er in Kid's case, that may be an inaccurate statement...

I think he was being facetious. And nice sig, PenguinDude. High-five for a fellow brah? Bro it up!

Posted By PenguinDude on 09/07/2007 12:40 PM
How would you know, its not like you're there.

I am with it but not of it.  I make it point to touch the soil of my homeland once a day.

Citadel stuff is overpriced, but the manufacturing is still ethical.

Overpriced in relation to what? Other companies? I've posted numerous times with warmachine and reaper figs and have proven you often get a better deal with Citadel.

Does overpriced mean in relation to what you can afford?

I can't afford a corvette, it doesn't mean the car is overrpriced. I don't go on car forums but I'm sure you don't see car aficionadoes whining on car boards about corvette prices.

Please tell me what the figures should be priced, and how GW will cover its overhead at lower prices? Bear in mind that while lower prices might mean more sales, it also means higher production costs.

2) Even given that, the definitions of class in different countries varies incredibly.  In the US, even the working poor often own their homes and a car for every working adult.  In India the middle class often have domestic servants.  In Western Europe, nobody needs to worry about health care or education.  In Asia or Africa, the middle class might not even have electricity or running water.

Lol....worry about health care....Sure, if having to wait months if not years for services that I can get tommorow means not worrying.  The rich can still opt out to goto a private hospital ( at least in England) but the poor get screwed.

Posted By General Hobbs on 09/07/2007 11:19 PM

2) Even given that, the definitions of class in different countries varies incredibly.  In the US, even the working poor often own their homes and a car for every working adult.  In India the middle class often have domestic servants.  In Western Europe, nobody needs to worry about health care or education.  In Asia or Africa, the middle class might not even have electricity or running water.

Lol....worry about health care....Sure, if having to wait months if not years for services that I can get tommorow means not worrying.  The rich can still opt out to goto a private hospital ( at least in England) but the poor get screwed.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to do with that comment.  Either you're simply trying to show that I'm wrong, or you really dislike social medicine.  Both are fine stances with many supporters, but my assertion was merely that in the UK and western europe, people don't need to budget money for healthcare or higher education, while in the United States, both are completely the financial responsibility of the individiual.  While yes, Private health insurance is superior to social medicine, social medicine is way, way better than having no health insurance in the United states, where a bad accident or expensive perscription can cause financial hardship or bankrupcy.  When I said they don't need to worry about it, I meant that citizens/subjects of those countries weren't financially worrying.  On the other hand, how many working class urban Britons have a car and own their own home?  As I said, class is relative.

Posted By General Hobbs on 09/07/2007 11:13 PM

Citadel stuff is overpriced, but the manufacturing is still ethical.

Overpriced in relation to what? Other companies? I've posted numerous times with warmachine and reaper figs and have proven you often get a better deal with Citadel.

Does overpriced mean in relation to what you can afford?

I can't afford a corvette, it doesn't mean the car is overrpriced. I don't go on car forums but I'm sure you don't see car aficionadoes whining on car boards about corvette prices.

Please tell me what the figures should be priced, and how GW will cover its overhead at lower prices? Bear in mind that while lower prices might mean more sales, it also means higher production costs.

I find it intriguing that you show up in threads that aren't discussing GW prices directly, and criticize a poster (who, by the way, is defending GW's business practices) for casually mentioning that their stuff is overpriced.  We get it, you're understanding of the market tells you that the price for an item should be as high as the market can sustain while keeping demand high.  Don't you think it's likely, just a bit, that what the poster meant was "GW stuff, like a lot of materials in the niche markets of fantasy/sci fi hobbies, are expensive, due mostly to the low production runs and reliance on Western labor," not "I hate GW, their stuff is so expensive, it should be free?"

As for your general theory, that GW prices are fixed at just above what they need to make a profit, then explain why there are large (50% or more) variations between currencies?  Or dramatic price increases in the last 8 years on the plastics ($22 to $35), or why ancient, one piece models like Eldard are priced at $22? 

The answer, of course, is that GW knows they can charge it, and do so.  You don't need to zealously defend a legitimate business practice, nor do you need to police the boards looking for every person mentioning that GW is expensive.  It is.  Shockingly, so is Magic, video games, PP, scuba diving, going to strip clubs, skiing, auto restoration and world conquest.  Many, many hobbies that are worth doing are expensive.  What pointing it out all the time does doesn't make you the guy with common sense, it makes you the guy that's a tool.  Nobody likes that guy, because he's self righteous arrogant prat.  Compare the three responses to "GW is expensive:"

1) "Yeah, it's expensive, but between the decent re-sell potential, the multiple ways the game can be played (kill team, combat patrol, COD, RTTs, and apocolypse), and the fact that GW games are easier to find a game for than most other companies, makes GW a better hobby investment than any of it's competitors, and really not a bad one in absolute terms."

2) "Does overpriced mean in relation to what you can afford?  I can't afford a corvette, it doesn't mean the car is overrpriced. I don't go on car forums but I'm sure you don't see car aficionadoes whining on car boards about corvette prices."

3) "if it's too expensive, take up golf"

Note how the first response is both reassuring, and uses, you know, facts and reality to convince a person that while expensive, GW is worth it.  The latter two seem to say, "why are you complaining?  Only wimps complain about GW."

I know which one I find more compelling, and since you seem pretty universally disliked around here, I'm guessing you haven't exactly captured a ton of flies with your vineager.

I'm posting this on the off chance that you're a deluded guy, inable to articulate why you like GW and why you feel people shouldn't relentlessly kvetch about the prices.  Realistically, I'm assuming you're a troll or flame baiter, merely posting to annoy others on the board, but you never know, I've been wrong before.

 

What I find intriguing is your need to attack me rather then just address the issue or answer the questions I posed. When a person has to make a personal attack it usually means they have no arguement to make. You then go and make deflecting questions meant to pose as answers.

As for being disliked, well, people don't like being called cheap, or having the fact that they can't afford to buy as many models as they like as fast as they like pointed out. It is amusing that that I make up fake screenames and put them in my sig and get told by moderators to change it, but other people can make screen names that are totally a take off of mine and it is done to insult me and they are not asked to change the sig.

It is also interesting that the gist of your post is attacking me for constantly defending the prices etc, yet you don't feel the need to post a similar reponse to the people who constantly feel the need in every post to complain about the prices.

 

 

 

Well, first off, I apologize for getting suckered into this. I realize now that by tiptoing just over the edge from reasoned argument to personal insult, I would allow you to invalidate my entire post.

In response:

1) I believe I did address the facts and issues, in both posts. I believe, in fact, that I agreed with you on the second. My questions weren't really meant to rebut your position, as I've watched you post far too long to dig in. Rather, I think that the facts that I raise show that the pricing debate can remain just that: a debate that has merit.

2) I was not addressing your facts or analysis, but rather your behaviour, which while I suppose could be twisted into a personal attack, I believe is closer to the realm of observation or even ill fated help. I was saying, "you are a tool and I hate you," but I was saying, "when you do these things, they make you look like a tool to me, and I find listening to your argument difficult." I did not PM this, because as I stated, you're not the forums most popular dude, and a public intervention often leads to public forgivness.

3) Forgive me for being catty, but how is calling people cheap not a personal attack? I'm not sure pointing out that your behaviour
can come off as insulting and rude is really a personal attack.

4) You raise a good question, about why I don't tell people to not complain about prices, but feel that I can tell you to stop telling them. I have, I believe, a good answer. When a person complains about prices (or any other immutable fact, like the weather), they are in essence making small talk. They're commiserating, they're sharing pain, they're simply making noise while waiting for something else to talk about, yet in the end their complaining about a condition, a set of events and factors.
When you then complain about those people, you're no longer complaining about something that is abstract, you are calling out people and their behavior. As you demonstrate very well, people don't like having their behaviour questioned and criticized. The crucial difference is that you are complaining about people doing what people do, which while it's just as inevitable as the weather or the next price hike, still comes from people with bruised egos and thin skins.
that's why I came down you, but not the people who complain, and that's why I suggested you spend more time pointing out the value that people get from GW, and less time making people feel bad about complaining.

Again, I simply cannot wait for the "ignore user" function on the new forumware.

It shouldnt ever have to be used, but then again, you shouldnt have to suffer a fool either.

Exalt.

People are taking my trolling lime light. I need to argue with somebody now to prove my masculinity. You all suck and wish you were redshirts at GW. take that

No 200 replies for beef from me.......................this time.

I wear a red shirt mate!!! It has a Frerrari symbol. You made me cry, and I'm gonna tell my Mom and General Hobbs onya!!!

I just have to say this, as a new Dakka poster, I feel that there is too much of the personal attack stuff going on. I know from personal experience that even those not involved throw thier 2 cents in, and make the attacks multiply.

How about this: When you read a post that pisses you off. Roll a D6, on a result of 2-6, ignore it. On a 1, go for it.

We are all fans of a GREAT GAME. There are enough sporto-jock/anti-social Nazi's out there who hate gamers(I will get flamed now by Sporto-gamers!!!! lol), so why don't we all just try to get along!!!

And to get back on track, I think the idea of a "China free ad-campaign" is un-workable. We are starting to really see a dissolving of economic borders(See USSR in the 90's), so really, who cares where it comes from or how its made?

We pay around $5 for a 250ml can of Red-Bull here in Aus. Water, Taurine, and some other hideous chemical mix. When petrol hits $1.50 a litre(a non-renewable, highly proccessed and remotely aquired product) we all cry as consumers TOO HIGH!!!!!

Lets sort out what we pay for what, and then localise blame politically when we can hold our heads up high and say"We are the perfect society. Let's point the finger at these guys..............."

Just another tirade from Akira5665. Please don't flame me!!!!

Arguing on the internets eh? Can you feel the futility?
It's like

Short bus...FTW!!!!

Posted By pnweerar on 09/04/2007 1:29 AM
I don't think an ad campaign that condemns 1 billion people for the actions of unscrupulous businesses, is any way fair.

Not all factories in China / Asia put arsenic in their clothing.

Not all people working in China / Asia are slaves.

This is national stereotyping.

And not all people in jail committed crimes.... does this mean we shouldn't view criminals negativly because "some" of them are actually innocent?

Posted By pnweerar on 09/04/2007 1:29 AM
I don't think an ad campaign that condemns 1 billion people for the actions of unscrupulous businesses, is any way fair.

Not all factories in China / Asia put arsenic in their clothing.

Not all people working in China / Asia are slaves.

This is national stereotyping.

I must disagree.  No one I've heard is saying that Taiwanese goods are dangerous, or Singapore's, or Hong Kong's or goods and services from Chinese Americans.  Not a word has been said about Korea or Japan or the rest of Asia.  The current fears about Chinese goods are based on the economic and political situation in China, weak rule of law, weak contracts, pressure to cut every corner, rampant counterfeiting and so on. 

It is a political problem, not a racial bias.

The main reason people are beginning to get disturbed at China is simply because America is no longer ther only superpower. The hegemony attained with the collapse of the Soviet Union has ended. Beijing can stick 'the finger' to Washington anytime it likes. The EU is big enough to do so aswell, but they dont know their power and generally cant agree on anything.

The Chinese dont flex their true muscles for two reasons, first its more profitable if people dont fear them and they are currently sucking in IP rights and trade links, they already have the tech and the manufacturing base, they need the established client base and a catalogue of copyrights. The short sighted European governments are giving those to them, particularly the ephemeral self interested lot in the UK, and at very low prices too.

More importantly they believe, not incorrectly, that Americans are globally insecure. The Soviets and Europeans were relatively content to have nukes parked next to them, when the Soviets parked some in Cuba noone expected the Yanks to wail as much as they did. Kennedy really did bring the world close to nuclear war with his public opinion backed histrionics. The Soviet attitude was: there are missiles in Turkey near the border pointed at Moscow, why should anyone care, we both have hemispheric capability and second strike capability? They couldnt understand why Washington was willing to see the world aflame over this, neither could anyone else.
However Americans dont think that way, they enjoy the illusion of untouchability. 9/11 anyone. Beijing fears the potential results of the headless chicken dance in America that would happen if/when the Chinese come around to saying 'all your world economy belongs to us'.
Thus they keep quiet.

And here I didn't quite know why I hate people like you so much.... thank you for reinforcing that feeling. China is not a super power, China is the Mexico of the far east. Sure, they have a billion people economy, but the majority of that economy is so poor they can't even afford proper toothpaste. The EU can't do anything because the EU lacks the power to collect taxes, raise an army.... the EU is as bad as the Articles of Confederation in the United States was. I am surprised that Europeans aren't more greatful to the United States, considering the fact that the only reason all of you aren't speaking German right now and that you have seperate countries is because of the United States intervention. Sure, there are those who state that the United States didn't contribute to the war effort because the war ended so quickly after the United States became involved. Instead, realise that the REASON the war ended so quickly was BECAUSE the United States became involved. Furthermore, if the United States had not provided funds to all of the countries after the war for rebuilding, the EU would be entirely made up of third world countries. On top of that, if the United States had not been providing the Allies with weapons, food, and equipment during the war at the time when they were not involved, the Allies would have starved and been outgunned in short order. As for the Soviets during the COLD WAR, if your pitiful country was at war with a country, and that country parked nuclear missiles close enough to your country for no other purpose than to fire them at your country, you might think to react. As for the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States intervention into that matter actually prevented nuclear war. As the forces stormed the beaches, the missiles were already set up, aimed, and preparing to be FIRED. If the United States had not stormed Cuba, the missiles WOULD HAVE been fired.

The United States of America (not America, as that includes every country in the western world) IS untouchable. By this I am not saying that some idiot with a bomb can't kill several of us, heck, we have people over here who do that anyway. I am saying that if someone ever dares to attack us, they're dead. Take a look at the death tolls of our enemies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..... we're a lot better at killing people than the rest of the world. If 9/11 (which by the way you are a complete and total jacka** for mentioning negatively the day after and I only hope that you never have to experience your family members dying so that you can remain the arrogant a**hole that you make yourself appear to be) *damaged* the United States of America at all, it would be considered a scratch, a hang nail, a paper cut. Look at what we did to Afghanistan in exchange..... We make it simple, you attack us, prepare for not only you, not only your family, not only your city, but your entire country to die. Would you take a swing at someone holding a gun to your head? I think not. Afghanistan did and we pulled the trigger.

So the next time you ungrateful little hippies see an American, tell them thank you. Thank you for saving your pitiful little countries. Thank you for providing the world with a stable economy. Thank you for kicking your scrawny little A** during the Revolutionary War. Because if the United States was not the super power "bully" that it is, you'd all be dead right now, while we would be on our side of the ocean, surrounded by a REAL ocean, not a scrawny little lake. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died so that little worthless pieces of ****  like you can live. Thousands of Americans are still fighting and dying for that same reason. So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

And here I didn't quite know why I hate people like you so much.... thank you for reinforcing that feeling. China is not a super power, China is the Mexico of the far east. Sure, they have a billion people economy, but the majority of that economy is so poor they can't even afford proper toothpaste. The EU can't do anything because the EU lacks the power to collect taxes, raise an army.... the EU is as bad as the Articles of Confederation in the United States was. I am surprised that Europeans aren't more greatful to the United States, considering the fact that the only reason all of you aren't speaking German right now and that you have seperate countries is because of the United States intervention. Sure, there are those who state that the United States didn't contribute to the war effort because the war ended so quickly after the United States became involved. Instead, realise that the REASON the war ended so quickly was BECAUSE the United States became involved. Furthermore, if the United States had not provided funds to all of the countries after the war for rebuilding, the EU would be entirely made up of third world countries. On top of that, if the United States had not been providing the Allies with weapons, food, and equipment during the war at the time when they were not involved, the Allies would have starved and been outgunned in short order. As for the Soviets during the COLD WAR, if your pitiful country was at war with a country, and that country parked nuclear missiles close enough to your country for no other purpose than to fire them at your country, you might think to react. As for the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States intervention into that matter actually prevented nuclear war. As the forces stormed the beaches, the missiles were already set up, aimed, and preparing to be FIRED. If the United States had not stormed Cuba, the missiles WOULD HAVE been fired.

The United States of America (not America, as that includes every country in the western world) IS untouchable. By this I am not saying that some idiot with a bomb can't kill several of us, heck, we have people over here who do that anyway. I am saying that if someone ever dares to attack us, they're dead. Take a look at the death tolls of our enemies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..... we're a lot better at killing people than the rest of the world. If 9/11 (which by the way you are a complete and total jacka** for mentioning negatively the day after and I only hope that you never have to experience your family members dying so that you can remain the arrogant a**hole that you make yourself appear to be) *damaged* the United States of America at all, it would be considered a scratch, a hang nail, a paper cut. Look at what we did to Afghanistan in exchange..... We make it simple, you attack us, prepare for not only you, not only your family, not only your city, but your entire country to die. Would you take a swing at someone holding a gun to your head? I think not. Afghanistan did and we pulled the trigger.

So the next time you ungrateful little hippies see an American, tell them thank you. Thank you for saving your pitiful little countries. Thank you for providing the world with a stable economy. Thank you for kicking your scrawny little A** during the Revolutionary War. Because if the United States was not the super power "bully" that it is, you'd all be dead right now, while we would be on our side of the ocean, surrounded by a REAL ocean, not a scrawny little lake. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died so that little worthless pieces of ****  like you can live. Thousands of Americans are still fighting and dying for that same reason. So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

 This type of idiocy is why so many people have a negative atitude about America and Americans. I am an American with a brother who has served in Iraq, I worry each time he is deployed, but that doesnt mean that I have to blindly agree that only pro-american rheteric needs to be shouted in three part harmany from the rest of the world adoring our american asses.

 

 Now back to talking about full grown men playing with toys.  I dont think any type of China free ad campaign is gonna be benificial to GW, it would pretty much be a waste of resorces better spent elsewhere IMO.

You guys are ruining my, and I bet others', enjoyment of a Pan Oceania vs. US-EU Alliance near-future sci-fi outlook. Infinity is awesome for a reason (apart from cool-looking models). Now I'll go back to my Battlefield 2142 game where the Chinese/Korea guys are fighting the US/EU guys.

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

And here I didn't quite know why I hate people like you so much.... thank you for reinforcing that feeling. China is not a super power, China is the Mexico of the far east. Sure, they have a billion people economy, but the majority of that economy is so poor they can't even afford proper toothpaste. The EU can't do anything because the EU lacks the power to collect taxes, raise an army.... the EU is as bad as the Articles of Confederation in the United States was. I am surprised that Europeans aren't more greatful to the United States, considering the fact that the only reason all of you aren't speaking German right now and that you have seperate countries is because of the United States intervention.

Love seeing that one trotted out.

 

Sure, there are those who state that the United States didn't contribute to the war effort because the war ended so quickly after the United States became involved. Instead, realise that the REASON the war ended so quickly was BECAUSE the United States became involved.

Actually the reason the war ended so quickly was that everyone in the West moved thier timetables up as the Eastern front collapsed.

Furthermore, if the United States had not provided funds to all of the countries after the war for rebuilding, the EU would be entirely made up of third world countries. On top of that, if the United States had not been providing the Allies with weapons, food, and equipment during the war at the time when they were not involved, the Allies would have starved and been outgunned in short order.

Or America could have been remained locked in it's prewar duldrums incapable of breaking free from the Depression and becoming the industrial superpower it was at it's hieght. The war was a godsend to the American economy.

 As for the Soviets during the COLD WAR, if your pitiful country was at war with a country, and that country parked nuclear missiles close enough to your country for no other purpose than to fire them at your country, you might think to react.

Like we should thank god the Soviets did not do. As well the Cold war is notable in that war was not ever declared.

As for the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States intervention into that matter actually prevented nuclear war. As the forces stormed the beaches, the missiles were already set up, aimed, and preparing to be FIRED. If the United States had not stormed Cuba, the missiles WOULD HAVE been fired.

There is no resonable evidence that this was the case. There isn't even unreasonable evidence of such.  Also what are you talking about (stormed the beaches)? Do you know what you are talking about? Do you have any clue what you are talking about?

The United States of America (not America, as that includes every country in the western world) IS untouchable.

I presume you mean every nation in the new world. Hubris is the best word to describe that sentence.

By this I am not saying that some idiot with a bomb can't kill several of us, heck, we have people over here who do that anyway. I am saying that if someone ever dares to attack us, they're dead. Take a look at the death tolls of our enemies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..... we're a lot better at killing people than the rest of the world.

Yes your ability to beat up thrid world nations is duly noted. Vietnam is generally regarded as a loss, and Iraq is headed that way, for fairness sake. As well your casualty rates in wars against first world nations have always been a fairly even exchange.

If 9/11 (which by the way you are a complete and total jacka** for mentioning negatively the day after and I only hope that you never have to experience your family members dying so that you can remain the arrogant a**hole that you make yourself appear to be) *damaged* the United States of America at all, it would be considered a scratch, a hang nail, a paper cut.

Freedoms were curtailed, your consitituion spat upon and you consider that a hang nail. The damage done on 9/11 was insiginifcant to the subsequent damage your government to your own nation did following it. The terrorsits won. It is no longer business as usual.

Look at what we did to Afghanistan in exchange.....

You blew up the structures the Soviets missed. Medals all round. Now that you've finished breaking it can you fix it. And while your at it please quit killing your allies. It makes it really hard for us to want to work with you.

We make it simple, you attack us, prepare for not only you, not only your family, not only your city, but your entire country to die. Would you take a swing at someone holding a gun to your head? I think not. Afghanistan did and we pulled the trigger.

Ooooh maturity. I like that.

But for the record, Taliban still there? Yup.

Bin Laden still kicking? Yup.

Still you missed the original target because your boss, he no think to straight.

So the next time you ungrateful little hippies see an American, tell them thank you.

I rather doubt it. Unless they do something polite in which case I will respond in kind.

Thank you for saving your pitiful little countries.

Since the only time my nation has been threatened it was the Americans, I'll pass.

Thank you for providing the world with a stable economy.

Yeah about that.

ENRON, Worldcom, subprime mortages. Yep. Love that stability.

Thank you for kicking your scrawny little A** during the Revolutionary War.

WE got ours back when you invaded us 30 years later.

Because if the United States was not the super power "bully" that it is, you'd all be dead right now, while we would be on our side of the ocean, surrounded by a REAL ocean, not a scrawny little lake. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died so that little worthless pieces of ****  like you can live.

Proving once and for all why every nation around the world should love Americans with your attitude.

Thousands of Americans are still fighting and dying for that same reason. So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

I realllllly hate that attitude. In many ways I have have met very few Americans I have truly disliked, but there is a stream in American thinking that everyone should bow before them and I loathe those who proclaim it.

I wanted it noted for the record for once I wasn't the one who started the cross border fight.

I think most people (at least in the US, vs. India which has its own reasons) are annoyed with China because-
*they are supplying nuke technology to the Iranians who will eventually use it to try to kill us.
*they were worried about their pets being killed due to food poisoning
*now they are worried about their paint killing their kids.

In before lock!

 

 

Angron seems angry about a whole lotta things.......

I have no issue with Americans. I live in Australia, served in our Navy for four years, and did a lot of tours through the Pacific/Atlantic and the Med, and met heaps of the US Service personnell.

Love thier Football especially(GO THE NY GIANTS!!!!!)

Love the beer(best in the world-Millers Genuine Draft!!)(misspelled)

Love the Movies produced(Mostly)

But I hate Ignorant/Blinker wearing REDNECKS, who steal valuable electricity/time when they sprout crap.


IN before lock!

You guys not only ride the short bus, you drive it as well, Where on earth do you all get such great information and world knowledge?

China is China, they have bills to pay as well. Just because they want to use lead paint, why cry about it, I used to play with lead, and I liked it!

I think some of you out there should stop partaking in lead paint chips, It's been known to affect your brain.

As for winning and losing,
We's orks. Orks is never beaten.

Go back to talking about minis and leave politics to the jerk offs.( see dakka rulz for more info.)

Too right Grot, I just got annoyed with the "Angron thread".

Apologies all, let's game on.

Do people do China free ad campaigns? Apparently I'm beyond the reach of
advertising (I don't know if that's good or bad)

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

 So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

Thats one of the most repugnant things I have ever seen on Dakka.

Thats saying alot, since I have been on this site for a decade.

To quote a wiseman (Ok, just Iorek):

"Die in a fire".

One of the worst things about our government is that they have tied together
the ideas of "supporting our troops" with "supporting our politics," and, even more
insidiously, "support our administration."

You don't have to do one to support the other.

But that's difficult to do. If I had a friend or loved one who died fighting for wars
that didn't have to be fought, I would HATE for some Lefty to rub the fact that
the politics mean my friend or loved one died for a cause that was making things
worse. I wouldn't want a reporter or politician asking me questions about how
I felt about the war.

People like Military Families Speak Out are probably in the minority, but they aren't
hippies.

Support =! war.

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

And here I didn't quite know why I hate people like you so much.... thank you for reinforcing that feeling. China is not a super power, China is the Mexico of the far east. Sure, they have a billion people economy, but the majority of that economy is so poor they can't even afford proper toothpaste. The EU can't do anything because the EU lacks the power to collect taxes, raise an army.... the EU is as bad as the Articles of Confederation in the United States was. I am surprised that Europeans aren't more greatful to the United States, considering the fact that the only reason all of you aren't speaking German right now and that you have seperate countries is because of the United States intervention. Sure, there are those who state that the United States didn't contribute to the war effort because the war ended so quickly after the United States became involved. Instead, realise that the REASON the war ended so quickly was BECAUSE the United States became involved. Furthermore, if the United States had not provided funds to all of the countries after the war for rebuilding, the EU would be entirely made up of third world countries. On top of that, if the United States had not been providing the Allies with weapons, food, and equipment during the war at the time when they were not involved, the Allies would have starved and been outgunned in short order. As for the Soviets during the COLD WAR, if your pitiful country was at war with a country, and that country parked nuclear missiles close enough to your country for no other purpose than to fire them at your country, you might think to react. As for the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States intervention into that matter actually prevented nuclear war. As the forces stormed the beaches, the missiles were already set up, aimed, and preparing to be FIRED. If the United States had not stormed Cuba, the missiles WOULD HAVE been fired.

The United States of America (not America, as that includes every country in the western world) IS untouchable. By this I am not saying that some idiot with a bomb can't kill several of us, heck, we have people over here who do that anyway. I am saying that if someone ever dares to attack us, they're dead. Take a look at the death tolls of our enemies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..... we're a lot better at killing people than the rest of the world. If 9/11 (which by the way you are a complete and total jacka** for mentioning negatively the day after and I only hope that you never have to experience your family members dying so that you can remain the arrogant a**hole that you make yourself appear to be) *damaged* the United States of America at all, it would be considered a scratch, a hang nail, a paper cut. Look at what we did to Afghanistan in exchange..... We make it simple, you attack us, prepare for not only you, not only your family, not only your city, but your entire country to die. Would you take a swing at someone holding a gun to your head? I think not. Afghanistan did and we pulled the trigger.

So the next time you ungrateful little hippies see an American, tell them thank you. Thank you for saving your pitiful little countries. Thank you for providing the world with a stable economy. Thank you for kicking your scrawny little A** during the Revolutionary War. Because if the United States was not the super power "bully" that it is, you'd all be dead right now, while we would be on our side of the ocean, surrounded by a REAL ocean, not a scrawny little lake. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died so that little worthless pieces of ****  like you can live. Thousands of Americans are still fighting and dying for that same reason. So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

Well, I was going to comment on Heneral Gobbs' (obvious) trolling.  I was going to say something to the effect that reading posts like his make me feel sorry that I have eyes and the capacity for symbolic thought.  I was going to say it was one of the dumbest posts I've seen in months if not years.  But then I read this.  Wow.  Just... wow.

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