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You think it's ridiculous to think that WaR isn't going to take over WoW then go on a 3.5 paragraph rampage explaining exactly that?

I don't think any MMORPG is going to do what WoW has for a long time. It's a freak of nature, a niche genre that grabbed the mainstreams attention. That being said, there is no reason to believe that WaR will not be successful and all signs, barring some unforeseen thing, point to it being successful. WoW subscriber numbers? No, but fairly good. If it had an option like LotR to get a lifetime subscription for a one time price I would consider it myself.

The first trick is that WAR doesn't have to topple WoW, it's just got to syphon off enough of the marketshare, including bringing new people into the MMO market (say, from hardcore GW fans), to do well.  I know a lot of the hard-core WoW PvP crowd has gotten sick of they way Bliz's tacked on PvP is not nearly as fullfilling as their PvE, and alot of them are keeping an eye on WAR to see how the game shapes up (the running joke being WoW = Waiting on Warhammer).  If Mythic does the job, and does it well, then they could have the staying power to make something really nice here and to satisfy those hardcore PvP gamers.

As for the dark graphics - did you see the game before or after the new lighting effects were added?  I've seen the before/after shots and the change was, simply put, dramatic.  Before the visuals were lacking, dark and dull.  After the same scenes were looking vibrant and alive while still maintaining that dark, gritty feel that works for the warhammer universe.

Overall I'm trying to stay optimistic without getting my hopes up on this one.  WoW's got alot of appeal, but it's also got its fair share of problems.  If WAR can manage to capture enough of the high points, fix enough of the issues, and bring some unique and fun elements all on its own I think it could really make for a lasting bit of recreation.

As long as the game companies get a piece of tha action, that' s all they care about. I don't think any of the game companies is banking on having WoW's numbers.

And, as far as Starcraft 2 and WoW are concerned, I don't know if SC2 will impact WoW to the point of going out of fashion. They are 2 different types of games attracting generally different game players. There will be a dip in the WoW playerbase for a while, tho, you are right on that, since there is some crossover between the 2.

I thing warhammer online will do fine. I doubt it will hurt WOW much.. in fact I think in the long run the vast majority if it's players will be GW fans.

Either way, unless someone wants to pay me to sit home all day, I won't be playing either

Posted By Therion on 10/12/2007 6:50 AM

I don't think WAR will take over WoW

It's hilarious that you even think of something like that. WAR will be just another MMO everyone will 'quit for' like LOTRO and will fail horribly or become a 'minority game'. You know, that 'weird game' the other guys are playing. Just like people who claim Warhammer sucks and play Warmachine instead all the while claiming how its a much superior game system.

And yet, Warmachine is still popular and profitable. It's not going away
anytime soon. If WAR is successful, then it will just like that, a successful,
profitable game that regularly updates its game to maintain its player base.

I think it's funny that you think the game has no endgame content. In DAoC,
Realm vs. Realm WAS the endgame. You only did PvE so that you could
spend hours with friends or strangers raiding or defending the countryside
for large scale (or even small group) player vs. player. PvE specialists joined
guilds to help people raid for items, but the majority of the committed customers
were the realm vs. realm enthusiasts.

Oh yeah, and level cap increases might retain some players, but
it certainly does drive others away. Blizzard will probably put plenty
of incentives to keep the fence sitters, but players who don't
want to start the item grind all over again will switch games.

The same will happen to Warhammer Online, I'm sure, just not
right away.

If WAR becomes known and loved for its world PvP, I can see former WoW PvP players switching over. It's been a while since I've played WoW, but I believe a good third to half of its players are in PvP servers. Since the WAR game supposedly (if I recall) allows you to go from carebear mode to pvp mode any time, carebears might switch too.

Unfortunately WAR PvP won't be like EVE or the old UO where you can kill a player, steal his stuff, and then persuade him to dance in a pink outfit while

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to get pieces of his armor back. But, if you can siege a city, persuade idiots to pay you to let them through and then backstab them over and over, it could be just as fun.

Then again, while the thought is fun, I'll probably just stick to leveling up my real-life STR and INT attributes for a while. For ever 25 pounds of iron I stack, I consider it a level up!

Posted By Ahtman on 10/11/2007 9:10 PM
Grot 6 apparently is the James Brown of Dakka Trolls. That post took a lot of work.

Warhammer isn't competing with Fallout 3, Halo 3, or Quake (FPS). Some of those games listed there won't be out till 2009. Some of them are already failed titles. In the broad sense they are all competing in the same sense that it is also competing with Barbies Horse Adventure as all games are competing for your dollar. The only ones on that list that are real competition: Hellgate: London and Conan (though considering it's system requirements Conan may hamstring itself).

It's an MMORPG, it's going to follow MMORPG standards. It's like complaining that Halo, a FPS, uses a First Person perspective and that nobody is going to buy it because it's just like all the other FPS's becuase they share a common trait among FPS's. By that same logic no one would ever buy a fantasy book after Lord Of the Rings.  You already read a book with elves and a quest, you never need to read another one.

It's not unusual at all that it did nothing for you. For example, unlike you, when I see a pink floral bouquet it does nothing for me. It's all preference. No one is expected to like every game and it's ok not to like it. But here's the skinny: you not liking something doesn't have anything to do with whether something is good or not, or whether it will succeed or not. You just don't like MMORPG's, I gather that since you say you hate pretty much all the earmarks of them, and again, thats ok. Just don't play them. Warhammer Online is the buzz favorite to give Warcraft a bit of a run. It won't match it, WoW is to much in the social fabric, but it will pull a lot away from it and get other players enough to be #2. This is in the realm of monthly fee online rpgs. Guild Wars, and the other shallower, but free, and fun, games are different.

To summarize:

So, we fall back on namecalling, then? OK, then if Im James Brown, your Rick James's Bitch.

What part of play these all the time don't you understand? What part of SEEN IT, WAN"T IMPRESSED don't you understand?

Its easy to throw a bull*gak* insult up and expect that you think your clever, but your not doing much of either this time around.

Your argument degenerated when you started typing. Not only isn't it anything to bother commenting on, it only shows that you don't know anything about online gaming other then you maybe played one once. Want to see what this game really is?

http://www.darkageofcamelot.com

Same look, same game, different name. As for the other fishhead reply. WTF ever.

You already say the same thing I do, then you act like its your idea. Of course you're too worried about being clever to really go read what I said, let me explain it a little MORE simply.

You are going to have to choose what type of computer game your going to play. Not only between MMO's, genius, ALL OF THEM. The bucks riding on computer games might not be much to a rockstar like yourself, but to the rest of us average wage slaves, you don't get to play them all, so obviously your going to pick the ones that you play.

But then of course, maybe your the type of goob to play three or four at the same time, as i get the impression from your half-assed post. You say that the ones I mentioned are failed titles? oh yeah? which ones are those, by the way? 

Go back and read what I wrote, *fudge*sticks. Do something better then just use it as an excuse to give someone *gak*.

 

Then you go on and on like you know anything about this game in the first place. STFU, go over to thier website and do your homework before you enter the conversation.

As a matter of fact, here it is for you.

http://www.warhammeronline.com

Even with what little there is, it is just another fantasy game.

Wait, you slam him about not knowing about MMORPGS then you accuse him of playing
3 at the same time?

Grot 6, you sadden me. Oh well.

First off. FPS does not compete with MMORPGs. People play certain types of games, or all at once, or games of a certain type. People who play MMO's will get WAR, so, Halo 3 doesnt compete with it. Why is halo 3 on there anyway, its not a pc game. Its like saying the release of a new car will take away from Warhammer sales.... It just doesnt connect. If its just about money that is. That and guild wars is the only thing on your list that would compete with WAR. All the other games are either A: to small to be a major contender or B. not even valid.

And Ahtman raises a good point. You ask why on earth WAR will have quests, pvp, grinding, and gold.... I wonder why a MMO would have such things, dont you?

You also ask why a game is held back.... Lol. And when has fantasy not been "cool". Its been popular for a pretty long time. Not like its dead yet. By no means, fantasy is getting more popular, its passed up sci-fi in book sales.

You havent played the game. Youve played the beta(if your not bull*gak*ting us). The beta is not the game. Learn the point of a beta then get back on that.

Mythic is keeping the dark theme. Its massive massive massive war. Its warhammer. What, you expected lots of light and pretty flowers? Just because you dont like a color scheme doesnt mean the graphics suck, it just means you dont like the graphics.

And we havent neared beta, we've reached it, and beta was put on hold to process data, and put in effect the changes that are needed, then put beta up again with said changes. Is this a crime?

And WoW isnt a craze. Its a game. MMO's might be a craze, but its far from done. WAR wont die, many, many, many people from WoW say they will switch to WAR when it comes out.

Whats wrong with a mini game in a game? Almost all mmos boast a alchemy system of some sort, can WAR not do that? Its basically a alchemy system.... A step farther.

I like PvP, people like PvP. Its the major focus of many MMO's. WAR is taking that a step farther too. Its also doing some great thing with quests. Most games quests suck. I like what their doing with quests, that is far ahead of the curb. Public quests and random goodies ftw.

It has a larger fanbase now then 5 years ago, i dont know where you got its losing it. More people play Fantasy then before, and more people play MMO's then before. All is set for it to move in. And if it had come out 5 years ago with the old producers, it would have sucked holy hell. Mythic is a good team, and i like what they do. I think they can pull it off.

It can kill WoW, dont dismiss it so easily. Blizzard is smaller then GW or EA, yet WoW did good. Mythic+GW can do it too.



-HotSoup

Stonefox:  Warning for the sexual content.  This is a family friendly board.

Grot6:  Just because the profanity filter catches it doesn't make it acceptable.  Also, you're throwing personal insults; warning for the insults and profanity.  I know that people aren't necessarily playing nice, but you're the only one who really stooped to a personal attack.

Both of you should know better. 

Posted By Iorek on 10/12/2007 5:00 PM

I am...

That pic, much like this thread, is freaking me out.

Well, Im not impressed.

I gave my opinion, gave you retards places to go look at where I came up with my stand, even showed you other places to look...and yet, still I have opinions to the contrary trying like hell to convince me that I'm wrong. The bull*gak* flag is flown!

I'm out. I have better things to do then to continue to say the same thing.
WAR is still going to suck.

You and others can think it "silly", but this game has been a money pit for GW. They've sunk a great deal of resources into it, through this developer and others they had to pull the plug for.

I wouldnt be so smug about that statement.

You know Grot 6, if you don't understand the James Brown reference it is ok to admit it instead of flailing about in the dark with an ill conceived attempt at a rebuttal.  No one will think any less of you if you admit ignorance in certain fields.
While it is true that it is your opinion, that doesn't mean it is valid or well thought out.  In fact it isn't a very valid opinion nor is it very well thought out.

Posted By carmachu on 10/13/2007 9:43 AM

Not to mention all the silly things like the 5 years development when other people mentioned several times that THIS version of the game has been on developmnet for only 2 years.

You and others can think it "silly", but this game has been a money pit for GW. They've sunk a great deal of resources into it, through this developer and others they had to pull the plug for.

I wouldnt be so smug about that statement.

No. GW licensed the Warhammer setting to Mythic. That is, Mythic is paying GW for the rights to develop a Warhammer MMO. GW isn't sinking any money into Age of Reckoning at all.

Warhammer Online has not been delayed again....this was a planned break in Beta to implement upcoming changes/add new content/races. This is not some horribly unexpected stoppage in beta.......Also unlike some other games Beta, WAR had 24 hour beta and not only during certain hours. So once they recieved enough feedback they are stopping beta to implement these changes

carmachu

You and others can think it "silly", but this game has been a money pit for GW. They've sunk a great deal of resources into it, through this developer and others they had to pull the plug for.

I wouldnt be so smug about that statement.

 

Video game production doesn't work like that.

GW lost something like 6 million pounds or dollars, when they first started out their MMO project. It may have been with mystic for 2 years....but they've sunk money into this project.

Or doesnt anyone remeber the 6 million in right offs years ago.....they might have gotten smarter NOW, but money as been sunk into this project years ago. Its good their getting someone to pay then for the rights.....

Posted By carmachu on 10/14/2007 2:28 PM

No. GW licensed the Warhammer setting to Mythic. That is, Mythic is paying GW for the rights to develop a Warhammer MMO. GW isn't sinking any money into Age of Reckoning at all.

GW lost something like 6 million pounds or dollars, when they first started out their MMO project. It may have been with mystic for 2 years....but they've sunk money into this project.

Or doesnt anyone remeber the 6 million in right offs years ago.....they might have gotten smarter NOW, but money as been sunk into this project years ago. Its good their getting someone to pay then for the rights.....

Really?  Can you show a link (not being sarcastic just curious)?  Diablo 2 went gold with a price tag of around 5 mil after 3-4 years production and quite a few artists on board.

Posted By carmachu on 10/14/2007 2:28 PM

GW lost something like 6 million pounds or dollars, when they first started out their MMO project. It may have been with mystic for 2 years....but they've sunk money into this project.

If this is true, I bet at the time that they could afford it because of the LotR bubble.

Posted By AgeOfEgos on 10/14/2007 5:59 PM

Diablo 2 went gold with a price tag of around 5 mil after 3-4 years production and quite a few artists on board.

Diablo 2 came out in 2000.  Games cost a little bit more these days.  More apt would be the cost of LotRO or even WoW.

Posted By The Power Cosmic on 10/14/2007 7:36 PM

Posted By AgeOfEgos on 10/14/2007 5:59 PM

Diablo 2 went gold with a price tag of around 5 mil after 3-4 years production and quite a few artists on board.

Diablo 2 came out in 2000.  Games cost a little bit more these days.  More apt would be the cost of LotRO or even WoW.

I think comparing 1-2 years of early design/concept to five years of design/polish/server setup of the rabid fans of Blizzard/WOW is extreme.

I'm curious though, who was the first development team?

Someone called Climax

$30 million is a pretty insane price tag...

You think thats Insane?

How about this.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=73573

http://kotaku.com/gaming/warhammer-40k/warhammer-40k-mmo-please-240612.php

oh, did I leak this too?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/19/warhammer-40k-squad-command-bound-for-ds-psp/


Keep your silly fantasy DAOC rip off.

As usual Grot 6 has come into to give us all a good laugh. You don't leak what is already news. The PSP doesn't compete with the PC market to much, and especially true of turn based squad level strategy games vis-a-vis X-Com. Yes, we know that there is a Warhammer 40k game in the works. In 2011 when it is released it may be a competitor. We won't know until 2009 when the first concept art is released. Yes Climax was the original developer but they were naughty, we already know that. It's also not the first time this has happened to a game, and certainly won't be the last.

I'm also not sure a company can rip itself off. I'm also not sure that calling fantasy "silly" on an online message board that deals with pushing toys around in fantasy settings that you choose to become a member of does anything more then make you look like a petulant brat with poor reasoning skills. Then again your posts in general also do a pretty good job of creating that impression.

We get it. You prefer 40k to Fantasy. If THQ can do more than
just do what Anarchy Online did (A sci-fi skin over a fantasy MMORPG
world), then they'll have something good.

But that's further down the pipe. You're saying that we have WoW now,
so why do we need WAR. Well those of us interested in WAR say WAR
is coming much sooner, so we'll get to play that first before 40k MMORPG
gets released.

I could.....but its in their finacial report for 2005? 2006? DO a search and it'll turn up. Its a well known fact.

I have little interest in another (pseduo)fantasy grindathon, so I'm really hoping that the 40K MMO doesn't attempt to emulate WoW/WAR/EQ/etc. too much.