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So the player himself did not actually do anything to deserve being called a twit other than being happy he won the award(s)? Why insult him, then? I am sure (well actually, I'm not sure, but I do hope) you wouldn't react that way if Voodoo Boyz announced that he'd won something for his dipped minis and was happy about it, and I don't see why this person in your example should be denied the same courtesy simply because he isn't around on this forum to call you on it.

Stelek wrote:Nah it was the winning two awards and him grinning like a cheshire cat that was silly.

I thought winning an award was supposed to be a good thing you could be proud of.

I wonder what AT43 pre-painted look like dipped.

Please. Everyone knows that the paint job is not l33t unless you start with
three primary colors and mix everything from there.

Any figure can be dipped.

I've dipped Tau, Imperial Fists, Orks (ADEPTICON 2006 and 2007!), World Eaters, and a random assortment of other stuff, including some Hordes Orboros.

It's all about intelligent color selection, and painting in the lines.

I've been dipping mine in cheese, but it hasn't helped. I thought playing with a cheesy army



...I can't do it. I thought I could, but I just can't.

So how do you play a beardy army?

All kidding aside, if I were to lose a painting competition to an army that had been dipped, I would probably be a little hostile too. But then, I have a high opinion of my ability.

That said, there are two armies at my FLGS that were dipped, one 'nid, the other Death Guard. Painted by the same guy, no surprises that the basic colors are green, bone, and red on both armies. They look great. I have no problems with them on the tabletop or in the display case. In fact, both of those armies have an overall cohesiveness that I just can't match when I paint each figure individually, and I probably wouldn't feel too bad if I lost a painting competition to either one. But then, I know the painter, and I know he can also paint well without dipping.

malfred wrote:So how do you play a beardy army?

Alas, my goatee is too small to allow me to play a beardy army, and likely to remain so.

fellblade wrote:

malfred wrote:So how do you play a beardy army?

Alas, my goatee is too small to allow me to play a beardy army, and likely to remain so.

Oh, that's quitter talk!

tegeus-Cromis wrote:Unless by "being skippy" you're talking about a seriously asinine level of bragging (*cough*) I think he's entitled to be proud of his achievement.

Think it went over his head...

I dont think the issue is just with dipping, but shortcuts in general that look good.

I have seen a necron army painted by an assistant DA in Great falls MT that used colour changing metallic paint that continues to win awards to this day, even though he put an evenings worth of air brushing on his 2000 point army. The effect is great, the effort was less than minimal. It makes dipping look like an arduous project.

In third edition I had a saim hann army painted with crackle paint. It looked pretty good. I was even accused of cheating. I thought it was quite ingenious even if I did say so myself, and thought the ingenuity of using a crackle paint product to achieve the effect to be something to be admired, n0t something to be hated.

When its all said and done, effort doesnt always = quality. I have seen people spend many many hours on a model that dont hold a candle against a dipped model. Its easy to see the animosity when you spend so much time on a model, only for someone who painted his entire army in ten minutes to win a coveted award.

Who cares? The more painted models on the table, the better. The little extra effort of dipping should be awarded as opposed to seeing bland three color base coat armies.

Hellfury wrote:
Who cares? The more painted models on the table, the better. The little extra effort of dipping should be awarded as opposed to seeing bland three color base coat armies.

obviously the angry masses care. God forbid someone else win their divinely adjudicated tournament prizes.

Tournament Greed > Everything Else.

Obviously these people need to learn to 'paint for fun and not to win'. This is why we need painting comp, so people have to paint their models in the most asinine way possible all in the name of fun.

[/sarcasm]

If you can't deal with the fact that a dipped army looks better than what you painted, the problem lies with *you*, not the guy who dipped his army.

Anything that gets people painted at all, and then painted faster is a good thing.

I wonder if people who are against dipping are also against using decals for shields and emblems.

FYI, being silly is my forte.

I think any painted army on the field is awesome. I have played in GT's where it was not compulsory to even have a painted army!!(Bris 2007). I think if you hate dipping, you are jealous of an easy, smooth fix. After seeing the apparent diff. between dipping and not dipping, I am keen to dip!

PS. If it was not for Dakka....I would never even known about it! Thanks to all for the info!(Yak/Lego) for the site.

If the awards are an issue, take it up with the RS who Made 'da call over your slowly, intricate, layered army!


IMHO anyway. Insaniak....don't kill me.

Same for you Waaaaaagh!

Brisbane is a small town.........

Hellfury wrote:I dont think the issue is just with dipping, but shortcuts in general that look good.

I have seen a necron army painted by an assistant DA in Great falls MT that used colour changing metallic paint that continues to win awards to this day, even though he put an evenings worth of air brushing on his 2000 point army. The effect is great, the effort was less than minimal. It makes dipping look like an arduous project.

In third edition I had a saim hann army painted with crackle paint. It looked pretty good. I was even accused of cheating. I thought it was quite ingenious even if I did say so myself, and thought the ingenuity of using a crackle paint product to achieve the effect to be something to be admired, n0t something to be hated.

When its all said and done, effort doesnt always = quality. I have seen people spend many many hours on a model that dont hold a candle against a dipped model. Its easy to see the animosity when you spend so much time on a model, only for someone who painted his entire army in ten minutes to win a coveted award.

Who cares? The more painted models on the table, the better. The little extra effort of dipping should be awarded as opposed to seeing bland three color base coat armies.

I think this is part of it, certainly any "shortcut that looks good" will get a bit of ire from some people.

As I think about it, I think another about it is that it really can be a "gamers method" of painting quickly. That's what it is for me, a quick and easy way that gets me a nice looking army. In fact part of what's driving my choice of army in Fantasy is the notion of it being easy to paint and then dip to get something done quickly so I can spend more time playing than having to "worry about painting it all".

It kind of takes away "the hobby" portion where you have to spend a lot of time and effort in "assembling and painting" before you can do any serious "gaming" or at least gaming at a tournament. I know that for me personally, I'm so gung ho on dipping because it's going to let me take an Ork army to tournaments that will look good and thus if I can play well enough with it I don't have to worry about getting tanked by my painting score.

I don't have any problem with dipping. You can get some nice effects with it, but there's a "ceiling" for it, too. Ultimately, a well-layered army will look better than a well-dipped one. If a dipped army wins an award at a tournament, it's not the dippee's fault the other armies weren't up to snuff. And really, it's not like a dipped miniature is ever going to win a Golden Daemon. I guess I don't see the big deal.

malfred wrote:So how do you play a beardy army?

That's where you have an army of Tom Cruise miniature. Each one comes with a "wife" miniature.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

ender502

Warning: Rant follows.
The whole thing strikes me as one long "that's not fair!" from some people. It's just silly. Someone found a method of painting that looks really good. Either use it, surpass it, or bow out of the competition if you can't compete. Don't sit there and cry that they are doing it wrong, when all that matters is the final result.
Painting is merely the means to the end, not the end itself. The end is having a good looking army on the table. If you insist on doing things the hard way, that's up to you, but considering no one uses oil paint and makes their own brushes because that's the way "real painters do it", they need to quite whining and consider how they are going to add dipping to their painting repetoir.
Hell, if I discovered that pissing on my army gave them crazy highlights and lovely shading, you can bet the tub would be filled with minis, I would be drinking lots of water, and my wife would be wondering why the bathroom smelled funny.

John, go for it. The bottom line is:

1. it'll get it done fast
2. and this is the big one, it's probably going to look better than if you painted it the traditional way.

That's not a slight, just the truth. So what do you want, 150 models that look darn good buy are dipped, or 150 that don't look as good but are hand painted?

And here's a technical question: can you highlight them after they're dipped and sealed? For example, could you highlight up the blue if you wanted to?

Oh no question I'm doing it, I couldn't care less if people bitch about it, heck it's an encouragement to making sure that it looks really good when I'm done the job.

And no slight taken, you've seen my work and I've seen yours, I suck at painting. The reason I'm so excited about dipping is because it lets my models look good.

I thought about highlighting the models a bit after dipping. You're essentially painting on dried polyurethane at that point, so I have no idea how well it'll hold up. I do know that no matter what you will have to spray that with a matte finish.

I think the Boyz would look a ton better with a highlight of goblin green over the dipped skin, but again that's more work and to be honest about my skills it's more of an opportunity to screw it up. You've seen how I paint, it takes forever for me to just "stay in the lines".

Voodoo Boyz wrote:Oh no question I'm doing it, I couldn't care less if people bitch about it, heck it's an encouragement to making sure that it looks really good when I'm done the job.

And no slight taken, you've seen my work and I've seen yours, I suck at painting. The reason I'm so excited about dipping is because it lets my models look good.

I thought about highlighting the models a bit after dipping. You're essentially painting on dried polyurethane at that point, so I have no idea how well it'll hold up. I do know that no matter what you will have to spray that with a matte finish.

I think the Boyz would look a ton better with a highlight of goblin green over the dipped skin, but again that's more work and to be honest about my skills it's more of an opportunity to screw it up. You've seen how I paint, it takes forever for me to just "stay in the lines".

Try a single quick dry-brush highlight on your flat colour before the dipping.

I would suggest experimenting with a quick dry-brush highlight after dipping and then a matte finish. The highlight could be easily overwhelmed by the dip, and the matte should protect your paint job.

Voodoo Boyz wrote:Oh no question I'm doing it, I couldn't care less if people bitch about it, heck it's an encouragement to making sure that it looks really good when I'm done the job.

And no slight taken, you've seen my work and I've seen yours, I suck at painting. The reason I'm so excited about dipping is because it lets my models look good.

I thought about highlighting the models a bit after dipping. You're essentially painting on dried polyurethane at that point, so I have no idea how well it'll hold up. I do know that no matter what you will have to spray that with a matte finish.

I think the Boyz would look a ton better with a highlight of goblin green over the dipped skin, but again that's more work and to be honest about my skills it's more of an opportunity to screw it up. You've seen how I paint, it takes forever for me to just "stay in the lines".

That being said, I think its time for you to take your avatar warboss, dip him, and repost him as your avatar!

Hear hear! I want to see how those highlights hold up!

BRING IN THE DIP!

What exactly is a highlight going to do on the undipped models? You guys can see what my previous paint job looked like. Taking bleach bone or a lighter green and going over the goblin green on them just a tiny bit? I dunno if I even want to, however what I probably will do is test dip the Warboss. He's sadly not going to see much use in the new dex, so he may move over to my cubicle to stand guard over my computer while I'm not here.

Tonight I'll test dip another model with different colors to it and using the Miniwax dip and let it dry, we'll see how it holds up.

Sounds like a trip to dysartes is in order!

http://www.dysartes.com/model/painting/Dipping1.php

Highlight before the dip and the dip will then draw the two colors together while still keeping them separate. Almost looks blended depending on the colors. Dipping after highlight can also look good, but it requires the whole fig being sealed again, unless of course you like the half satin, half matte look. Sometimes you want them to stay a little satiny, sometimes matte looks good. My dipped orks have all been matted, while my Tau and Worldeaters are not.

www.pbase.com/whitedragon

This is a gallery of my adepticon team. Not all the models are dipped, but the majority are, by 3 different people, and 1 guy painting straight up. Add dullcoate and voila!

Voodoo Boyz wrote:What exactly is a highlight going to do on the undipped models? You guys can see what my previous paint job looked like. Taking bleach bone or a lighter green and going over the goblin green on them just a tiny bit? I dunno if I even want to, however what I probably will do is test dip the Warboss. He's sadly not going to see much use in the new dex, so he may move over to my cubicle to stand guard over my computer while I'm not here.

Tonight I'll test dip another model with different colors to it and using the Miniwax dip and let it dry, we'll see how it holds up.

You need to do the drybrush highlight fairly light compared to the base colour. After dipping, you should end up with three shades and a degree of gradation between them. I think you should highlight before dipping, Ebon thought after, you can experiment with both.

Mind you, the basic dipped model looks pretty damn good anyway. If you are really going for speed and volume, just base colour and dip.


On the main topic, I have never heard of dip envy in the Ancients and Historicals world. Either the players don't care or I need to get out more.

I am planning to "paint dip" all my 6mm Napoleonics.

"Hi my name is Rhys, and I dip my mini's !!"

Seriously though, I have been 'selective dipping' my figures for years, but I use standard GW inks mixed with ard coat & water, it just widens the pallette a little.

It recently took me 3 weeks to paint 40, 40K orks using the dipping technique, and then adding a bit of a highlight at the end. I would never have painted this many figures without dipping.

I say dip away - its a technique, so use it

BTW - I am a fairly decent painter ! I won a Silver Demon at the UK GD 2006 !! - and I do not see it as cheating

Cheers,