Marker Light fiasco?

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**H.B.M.C.**

Stelek wrote:I wait for when the jackasses sit outside your FLGS at night and 'snipe' people with the lasers inside.

Umm... good luck. If this things stays visable beyond 2-3 meters I'll be extremely surprised.

BYE

**H.B.M.C.**

Ghaz wrote:And again, if you want to go and hang a hook over your miniatures, fine.

What 'smatter Ghaz - ya hands fallen off or something? Just hold it over the model, with the 'hook' thing over their heads. You don't have to let go.

BYE

**hammerofulric**

It's vanished from the UK webstore.

Has it been pulled at the last minute?

**reds8n**

I suspect it's more likely they have sold all the available ones already-- in my local GW store the otehr day and the manager was ranting as he'd just tried to increase his order and had been told that he couldn't and he might not in fact get the amount he had asked for.

**Squig_herder**

AlexCage wrote:I'm sorry but this arugement has pissed me off since laser pointers first became chic:

Class 2-Low Power Visible Lasers (top)
Class 2 lasers are low power lasers or laser system in the visible range (400 - 700 nm wavelength) that may be viewed directly under carefully controlled exposure conditions. Because of the normal human aversion responses, these lasers do not normally present a hazard, but may present some potential for hazard if viewed directly for long periods of time. A continuous wave (cw) HeNe laser above Class 1, but not exceeding 1 mW radiant power is an example of a Class 2 laser.

Class 2M lasers are low power lasers or laser system in the visible range (400 - 700 nm wavelength) that may be viewed directly under carefully controlled exposure conditions. Because of the normal human aversion responses, these lasers do not normally present a hazard, but may present some potential for hazard if viewed with certain optical aids.

- http://web.princeton.edu/sites/ehs/laserguide/sec3.htm

From this we can deduce that the only little snot nosed kids that are getting ANY kind of retinal damage (read: damage, not destruction) are the ones who have overcome the instinct of self preservation that all creatures on this Earth possess and have somehow trained their eye to stay open and focused on the pin point of light for LONG PERIODS OF TIME, whilst enduring blinding red spots of PAIN.

Gentlemen, there was a great man by the name of Charles Darwin that had a theory on these kinds of people. If, by some measure of a miracle, this laser pointer DOES blind some people think of it as a bit of chlorine in the gene pool.

Buy before they do a recall, laser pointers are cool, fun and praticle for our hobby dispite the misuse of them

**Frazzled**

Stelek wrote:

lol that whole darwin thing is fine, but the first person who shines it in my eyes is gonna get knocked out. my vision is bad enough! lol

I hate to say it but I agree word for word with Stelek.

To Dave Taylor, I hope GW realizes facts and logic are almost irrelevant to a jury in a tort claim involving kiddies right?

**Hellfury**

Ghaz wrote:And I still say that you will have at least one person at the FLGS using them as I've said.

Nah. I even give 7 year old kids more credit than that.

**Steelmage99**

It's all fun and (war)games untill someone loses an eye.
Then it's fun and (war)games without depth perception.

The first kid that shines that thing in my face (class 2 or not) gets to eat it (the pointer, not my face).

**George Spiggott**

akira5665 wrote:It's just a bit of fluff. It makes sense having a thing in 'GW' styling, that has virtually no long term use.

Rubbish, this 'tool' is at the the core of the 6th ed shooting rules....

Warhams 40,000: 6th edition (page #2) wrote:Shooting: Point your 'layzerr' at the target model, call out "pew! pew!" then remove the enemy model, rince and repeat...

Diceless wargaming is on the way, rejoice citizen!

**ForceVoid**

BeefyG wrote:Need to be holding a gun licence to buy any kind of laser pointer in my part of Australia...I'm guessing that GW won't even bother trying to sell them here.

You have to admit though...using the laser targeting device attached to your Buro Godhammer replica on the gaming table will get all kinds of "red neck-goth-scifi chicks" moist in your local gaming store

Note: I have yet to meet one of these and cannot be sure that they exist.

lol

**MegaDave**

Iorek wrote:
MegaDave wrote:I wish I had twin-linked laser eyes...

I know what you're thinking. It comes as no surprise; Christmas lights are blinking.

...and I'm so curious, I'm so curious, I'm so curious, and I've got laser eyes!

(sorry, I couldn't help myself).

Heh heh heh... classic!

God I miss that show.

**Elusive71**

davetaylor wrote:The semi-circle on the end is designed to go over the head of your miniatures so that you can be assured the Line of Sight is their Line of Sight.

Won't that discourage people from using certain minis? What about the prone IG or the kneeling Firewarrior stuck behind his standing teammate?

**Wehrkind**

Just one model in the unit needs to be able to see. Models in one unit don't block LOS for other models in the same unit, in so far as I understand.

**biztheclown**

No one will lose an eye. Social conditioning of the kind Stalek suggested will take care of the problem. Juest don't be a jackass.

**Frazzled**

you've never been around children or tweens...

**Lorek**

If it's really an LED (which I'm inclined to believe due to the fact that it has a crosshair shadow), you'd need to poke someone in the eye with it for it to do any real harm.

**xenite**

nathonicus wrote:Well, I doubt these are anything more powerful than the lasers you can get in pet stores here to amuse your animals. If they are the same, they're pretty weak, and the little tykes'll are still in more danger from super glue than the lasers, methinks.

No kidding, this is the hobby of xacto knives, tiny drills, acetone based spray paint, and people are getting all upset about lasers?

**reds8n**

WD Online wrote:WARHAMMER 40,000 L.O.S. MARKERLIGHT
Due to overwhelming popular demand, we regret to announce that the Warhammer 40,000 Line of Sight Markerlight has sold out on our website and through Direct Sales! However, if you get down to your local Hobby Centre or Independent Stockist you might be lucky enough to order one of the last remaining few.

Epic fail there then GW marketing bods.

**Grand Preceptor**

Iorek wrote:If it's really an LED (which I'm inclined to believe due to the fact that it has a crosshair shadow)

The laser pointer we use to entertain our cats has several attachments that change the output from a dot to a dollar sign, star, etc.

**BrookM**

There's always alternatives.

**skkipper**

more power

**Foda_Bett**

Build your own crosshairs:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5982

**wash-away**

am I the only one here that already uses a laser level for marking deployment lines (especially good with weird angles) and checking line of sight?

**smart_alex**

I think the laser is a good idea cause it stop areguments about LOS immediatly. However yes the kids will be stupid with it just like with everything else.

**insaniak**

wash-away wrote:am I the only one here that already uses a laser level for marking deployment lines (especially good with weird angles) and checking line of sight?

I use a laser level for LOS in Star Wars, because it's all 2D. Wouldn't work so well for 40K, because LOS doesn't come from a line traced along the ground the way it does in Star Wars.

**Meep357**

xenite wrote:No kidding, this is the hobby of xacto knives, tiny drills, acetone based spray paint, and people are getting all upset about lasers?

QFT!

**Aeon**

Ive seen it; its about 3-5 inches long (im really bad with measurements) and looks to hold watch batterys rather than AA (you will also need a file to open the battery compartment)

**GavDorro**

BeefyG wrote:Need to be holding a gun licence to buy any kind of laser pointer in my part of Australia...I'm guessing that GW won't even bother trying to sell them here.

It is still legal to sell pointers in Australia as long as not over 1mw, so not a problem?
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/485f93d0006acc622740c0a87f9c0722/Product/View/XP0671

**AlexCage**

wash-away wrote:am I the only one here that already uses a laser level for marking deployment lines (especially good with weird angles) and checking line of sight?

Well, you may have been, but you're not anymore, I can assure you!

A smashing good idea, that!

/shoves his underused laser level in his Apocalypse bag

less qq, more pew pew.

**Relapse**

The only people I've ever seen use laser pointers in a 40k game were total jackasses with them.
I'll have to agree with Stelek on this one since I don't feel like having some moron taking chances with my eyesight.