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So the full rules, with the modeling and fluff sections chopped off the end.

Pretty much the same as 4th ed, then.

All basic rules are in, anything beyond that such as the missions, extra scenarios and campaign section is left out most likely. They did the same with Macragge, giving you just the basic rules for playing the game, leaving out missions etc.

Agamemnon2 wrote:..... those infamous whippy measuring sticks ....Impromptu fencing sessions aside, they're not very practical for a lot of tasks.

Fencing sessions is half the fun. In leave mine on the connecting sprue so they are twin linked.

insaniak wrote:So the full rules, with the modeling and fluff sections chopped off the end.

Pretty much the same as 4th ed, then.

Exactly. But those who like to believe otherwise can do so, I guess.

Don't forget, the 4th ed mini rule book didn't include any of the non-basic missions or the rules that came along with them. I only remember this because I went to an RTT where the mission had preliminary bombardment, and nobody had the full book to see what that rule actually did. It also didn't include killteam/combat patrol, or the campaign rules.

I'd imagine the mini book contains the basic rules up through the missions, however.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I wonder why they chose to include those infamous whippy measuring sticks instead of one of their tape measures. Impromptu fencing sessions aside, they're not very practical for a lot of tasks.

They're quite good for swatting grubby hands that are reaching for your minis.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:I wonder why they chose to include those infamous whippy measuring sticks instead of one of their tape measures. Impromptu fencing sessions aside, they're not very practical for a lot of tasks.

They're quite good for swatting grubby hands that are reaching for your minis.

I love that the glass is always half full for you John!

Nice Find

Polonius wrote:Don't forget, the 4th ed mini rule book didn't include any of the non-basic missions or the rules that came along with them. I only remember this because I went to an RTT where the mission had preliminary bombardment, and nobody had the full book to see what that rule actually did. It also didn't include killteam/combat patrol, or the campaign rules.

None of that is in 5th anyway.

There's just the one set of missions.

Its out there if you know where to look.

Stab me for saying this but that actually looks like it might be worth picking up.

{Shanks Shattered Soul from behind and disappears}

insaniak wrote:None of that is in 5th anyway.

There's just the one set of missions.

They don't even have the old faithful Tree & Ladder campaign boilerplate that GW's put into every rulebook since at least 40K3?

Don't worry, it's in there.

Ah, thanks John. I thought my faith in the world was goign to be severely shattered, but GW keeps their unholy writ consistent.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:I wonder why they chose to include those infamous whippy measuring sticks instead of one of their tape measures. Impromptu fencing sessions aside, they're not very practical for a lot of tasks.

Whippy sticks are excellent when you cut them into 6-inch chunks for measuring movement. But yes, outside of that, their utility is limited.

a whippy stick and the hardback rulebook are two ways to keep douchecannons at bay. poke them in the eye with the stick or flip them in the ear, and while they are distracted, brain them with the rulebook.

Didn't any of you guys see the reference in the hardback book about the Black Reach set? Page VI under "What You Need" states, "The rules are also available in a pocket-sized version found the Warhammer 40,000 Assault on Black Reach boxed set". That seems rather clearcut to me.

They new koptas look awesome however its too bad that they nerfed em. I bought 4. I think Im going to use them as guard conversiosn.

Good thing there will be lots of cheap new marine stuff for me

Hmm...the price is right...and the models look better than I expected. And they're the units I want.

BUT I was planning on doing a lot of conversions for the Dreadnaught and termies I plan on getting. I don't think these models would lend towards that too much. :/

Duncan_Idaho wrote:No rumor but a fact, some of us were already able to flip through the real thing and it is not the complete rules.

sorry to call shennanigans on you
but I'm holding my Black reach rulebook in my hands (well, lap) as I type this
JUST LIKE the battle for Mcragge, the rulebook is in fact, the full rules, reduced to an A5 format.
when i look at page 2-95 - it is exactly the same as the big book
pages 96-112 are exactly the same as 289-304 in the big book

the full rules are there, I don't know what you were looking at

Thats not cool... mandatory units... now I'm questioning whether or not to buy this set

Phagetime wrote:Thats not cool... mandatory units...

Pardon?

Phagetime wrote:Thats not cool... mandatory units... now I'm questioning whether or not to buy this set

???? Um, yes. If you buy the set, it's mandatory that you get over 300.00 in miniatures, and a full set of the rules, for only 60 bucks. However, if you really don't want anything, I'm sure people won't mind taking them off your hands.

BFM was totally crap but i am really looking forward to the new BR box set, it looks awsome!!!!!

gotta hand it to GW this time, possibly one of the best sets they have ever released / will release.
great models (still annoyed about the nought being in so few pieces) but the warboss is something else, great model, anyone got any pics of the kopta frames yet?

deitpike wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:No rumor but a fact, some of us were already able to flip through the real thing and it is not the complete rules.

sorry to call shennanigans on you
but I'm holding my Black reach rulebook in my hands (well, lap) as I type this
JUST LIKE the battle for Mcragge, the rulebook is in fact, the full rules, reduced to an A5 format.
when i look at page 2-95 - it is exactly the same as the big book
pages 96-112 are exactly the same as 289-304 in the big book

the full rules are there, I don't know what you were looking at

Agree with Deitpike.

This isnt the same thing we had to go through with AT-43 Operation Damocles.

(though in Rackhams defense the full AT-43 rulebook is alot cheaper than 40K's book, and it is full sized)

calculating that the space marines alone are £78 its awsomly good

I'm disapointed that there is very little customization.... Of course, that is to be expected.

What's missing? Shootas for the Orks. Now I have to spend lots of money on Boyz boxes to get shoota arms dammit.
Also missing powerfists/klaws for the squad leaders. More bitz to buy.