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yeah

I remember reading that it was ok to use a larger base than the one supplied...
Can't remember where though...
If that's the case i'd love to rebase my wraithGuard on 40mm bases, they topple over way too easy. I'm putting a BatRep up in a bit that my WG are going over the small GW hill and they refused to stand on the slope bit... you'll be able to see some lying down and/or leaning on things to to stand...

But there must be a reason that GW decided that they gets a 25mm base huh??

PaniC...

That was 4th Edition Panic.

yeah,
I guess that makes sense that that's where I saw it!!! I was thinking maybe WD...

Anyone know why they changed to a rule "use what you get with it" stance for 5th?
Bit gakky for those who had permission to 'based up' to make their lords etc look cool during 4th.

It's a weird rule concidering units like (Chaos) Terminators and the tau stealth suits have had two different sizes and they havn't FAQ'd what you should do?

PaniC...

Panic wrote:yeah,

Anyone know why they changed to a rule "use what you get with it" stance for 5th?
Bit gakky for those who had permission to 'based up' to make their lords etc look cool during 4th.

In past editions when it had a version of TLOS, a model BLOCKED LOS to models less than twice their hight. And models were treated as solid 'cylanders' of blocking which was 'base' wide, model tall. Wraithguard would then be able to technically if modeled correctly block LOS to wraithlords. I remember seeing people take 5-man wrathguard units that stood BtB in a cemi circle in front of every wraithlord. The other problem was the 60mm based cultists. You could BtB block the whole table with trash models.

They then did the 1 base size up thing... Which seems fine except when you get grots on 40mm. Which extends unit coherency and protects against pieplates. 1 unit of Grots are then giving cover where you would probably need 2.

I think that upsizing certiant characters is going to be 'not a problem' but the rule gives players the ability to opt-out of maliciously modeled armies. I upsize all nobs with powerklaws, and my warboss on bike and in mega armor, and SAG are on 60mm bases for cinematic effect.

If enough players want to use a 40mm base to stop the model falling over, and keep moaning about the rule, then eventually GW will change it and make a legally tight, tournament approved rule.

MagickalMemories wrote:I've seen nothing official on it, and internet opinions vary to both sides of the issue.

I am of the feeling that everything should meet CURRENT basing standards, regardless of what base size the model ORIGINALLY came with.

Eric

I understand what your saying, and hell I have my metal terminators on 40mm bases, but the fact is:

There are no basing standards. GW doesnt even follow them half the time in 40k. Hell, look at page 72 in the Daemon codex. Top picture, demon marine prince 40mm base. Bottom picture, Nurgle demon marine prince monstrous creature base.

So which is the standard?

carmachu wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:I've seen nothing official on it, and internet opinions vary to both sides of the issue.

I am of the feeling that everything should meet CURRENT basing standards, regardless of what base size the model ORIGINALLY came with.

Eric

I understand what your saying, and hell I have my metal terminators on 40mm bases, but the fact is:

There are no basing standards. GW doesnt even follow them half the time in 40k. Hell, look at page 72 in the Daemon codex. Top picture, demon marine prince 40mm base. Bottom picture, Nurgle demon marine prince monstrous creature base.

So which is the standard?

Like I said... there IS no standard for older models. Everything is opinion.
My opinion happens to say they should meet current basing standards.

That doesn't mean I'm going to fault someone, or refulse to play them, if they have older models on 25mm bases... They're getting called STRAIGHT out if they try that stuff with a newer mini... and this whole thing about 25mm bases coming in termie boxes and using them on the termies? I'm not going for it.
We know why they're there and anyone who would try something like that does not have the ethical standards I require them to have to play against them. If they'll stretch THAT far, what else is next?

Eric

I had old chaos terminators on 25mm bases this last spring and a tool box claimed i was cheating for it made deepstriking easier. I was like WTF and called the judge over. We agreed to deepstike them as if they we on the bigger bases. during the game a squad with two heavy flamers got close to a recently disembarked squad of fire dragons out of a falcon. The extra space i "had to disperse got my heavy flamers close enough to hit all kill all six fire dragons but it also took down the falcon(lucky). I laughed and said i was glad I wasn't a cheater.

MagickalMemories wrote:

Like I said... there IS no standard for older models. Everything is opinion.
My opinion happens to say they should meet current basing standards.

That doesn't mean I'm going to fault someone, or refulse to play them, if they have older models on 25mm bases... They're getting called STRAIGHT out if they try that stuff with a newer mini... and this whole thing about 25mm bases coming in termie boxes and using them on the termies? I'm not going for it.
We know why they're there and anyone who would try something like that does not have the ethical standards I require them to have to play against them. If they'll stretch THAT far, what else is next?

Eric

Of course. But I'm pointing out the Deemon prince 40k example as current models, and there still isnt a standard even with current in production models.

carmachu wrote:...I'm pointing out the Deemon prince 40k example as current models, and there still isnt a standard even with current in production models.

Ah.
Gotcha.

Dunno. I mean, the DP comes with a 40mm base, if I recall (mine's on a 60mm, but I think I had to get it out of my bits... it's been so long), so that shows it's "required" size. I think that, having one on a 40mm and the other on a 60mm illustrates -even better- GW's stance on allowing off-sized bases with opponent consent being such an integral part of the SPIRIT of the game. Even if/though it probably WASN'T their intention. LOL

Eric

If GW want to be strict about this issue they need to make a rule like the model must be put on the base it came with or one size larger.

I don't think it makes a serious difference by itself. Only if people are abusing it, for instance by making a new base 12 inches wide, or something. And who would play with such scumbags?