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your observation offends me, please dont observe.

Is it just me or do these type of topics always start arguments? the words that have been mentioned are not offensive on there own, there only offensive when bundled with other words. If we can't have a sensible debate about the use of these words its best not to start the topic in the first place. And don't start a flame war over my comment, you either agree with it or you don't.

Some words carry an implicit context which makes them inappropriate for most conversation. When you say something to the effect of "I raped his Chaos Knights" what are you doing if not referencing the act of forced sexual dominance, and expecting that reference to be viewed in a positive (acceptable) light?

My mom once told me never to fight, and to stop conflicts with my words. It worked great once I got my Weirding Module.

But seriously, words are offensive, and although one should come into the Internet with his inner spell-check set to ludicrous speed, there are times when they tend to wear on a person. Like when mom asked me for the rapeseed.

I knew he wasn't my dad.

Personally I find content more offensive then context. How something is said seldom bothers me, its what is said that I may actually take offense to. My two cents.

"Irregardless"

In all situations, I tend to find leet-speak more offensive than any actual word in the lexicon.

I don't know how 'rape' became common parlance - that is a bit od. And no it wasn't 4Chan. I and others were saying it years before that place was even a dream.

As far as 'abortion' goes? It's just the noun form of 'abort'. Nothing wrong with that. Saying the "abortion of a 'Chaos' Codex" is a perfectly reasonable use of the world (and in this case, 100% true).

BYE

Rape (as used in the wargame context) isn't common parlance. It is teenage boy feeling his flush of testosterone parlance. Its useage derives from misogyny arising from sexual anxieties. It needs to be challenged so that boys don't grow up thinking that way about women.

Abortion is a technical term for scrapping a mission or the termination of a pregnancy -- which often happens naturally. Its negative connotation obviously derives from the voluntary pregnancy abortion issue which is so emotive.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And no it wasn't 4Chan.

If you could point out where anyone said 4chan was the origin of this please do because I'm fairly sure that no one did.

Kilkrazy wrote:Rape (as used in the wargame context) isn't common parlance. It is teenage boy feeling his flush of testosterone parlance. Its useage derives from misogyny arising from sexual anxieties. It needs to be challenged so that boys don't grow up thinking that way about women.

It is funny that this discussion is going on and last night I was stopping by the in-laws and my little brother was playing some wrestling video game with some friends and as I was walking by I heard him say "I raped you! Double rape!" in context of defeating the other player. It does sort of lessen the impact the word has when it means "I win" or "Great victory through domination!" as well as making it sound like violently forcing sex upon another person is a way of "winning".

I think it only "lessens" the impact only when being spoken between two people that are safe from the full implications of the actual meaning of the word.
It's like hear two white guys competing and the one wins says: "I beat you like a ni***r."
Neither are black, so within their circle neither are threatened with being beaten with that kind of hatred.
but a third party that is black would have a very different of the "friendly" jibe.
especially if that person is in, oh say, a game store and not just reading on the intarwebs

Kilkrazy wrote:Rape (as used in the wargame context) isn't common parlance. It is teenage boy feeling his flush of testosterone parlance. Its useage derives from misogyny arising from sexual anxieties. It needs to be challenged so that boys don't grow up thinking that way about women.

With a name like Killkrazy I thought you'd understand flushes of testosterone a little better. Killing... very offensive. Being crazy about it? Absolutely outrageous. Having the gall to misspell it with a K? Blood boiling.

Ahtman wrote:
It is funny that this discussion is going on and last night I was stopping by the in-laws and my little brother was playing some wrestling video game with some friends and as I was walking by I heard him say "I raped you! Double rape!" in context of defeating the other player. It does sort of lessen the impact the word has when it means "I win" or "Great victory through domination!" as well as making it sound like violently forcing sex upon another person is a way of "winning".

I literally laughed out loud sitting at my living room computer at that. "DOUBLE RAPE!" I might need to say that more.

Belphegor wrote:I think it only "lessens" the impact only when being spoken between two people that are safe from the full implications of the actual meaning of the word.
It's like hear two white guys competing and the one wins says: "I beat you like a ni***r."
Neither are black, so within their circle neither are threatened with being beaten with that kind of hatred.
but a third party that is black would have a very different of the "friendly" jibe.
especially if that person is in, oh say, a game store and not just reading on the intarwebs

My friends and I are often like that. And I too feel that offensive words have some of their power taken away from them if people use them in a more nonchalant manner. If every goes around saying f**k this and f**k that, with no one getting offended or getting onto them the word looses something. It looses it's draw of use really. No one is offended, it turns no heads. Of course the F-word is very versatile so I would suspect it would still see use.

Typeline:
No one is offended, it turns no heads.

Um, I haven't met anyone how has been raped that does feel a twinge of 'not-good' when its tossed around casually to represent in-game power.
Nor have I met a black guy who is cool with strangers who he's gaming with talk about "beating someone like a n***are"
This isn't the word f**k, these are descriptions (n***are) and actions (rape) that are used to dehumanized other people.
The only people that they will lose "power" with are those people that are not threatened by them to begin with.

Typeline wrote:
With a name like Killkrazy I thought you'd understand flushes of testosterone a little better. Killing... very offensive. Being crazy about it? Absolutely outrageous. Having the gal to misspell it with a K? Blood boiling.

There's only one 'L' in his name. What does it say about you that you saw a second one?

Typeline wrote:
My friends and I are often like that. And I too feel that offensive words have some of their power taken away from them if people use them in a more nonchalant manner. If every goes around saying f**k this and f**k that, with no one getting offended or getting onto them the word looses something. It looses it's draw of use really. No one is offended, it turns no heads. Of course the F-word is very versatile so I would suspect it would still see use.

Then your friends, and you, lead very sheltered little lives.

Deadshane1 wrote:So MDG wants to impose his morals on everyone, his own form of internet "rape" so to speak. I personally dont see a problem with the usage of the words he mentioned. If they were used so out of context as to make the user seem ignorant and offensive(like in your example above), simply hit the back button and exit the thread if you're offended. These are actual words we're talking about, used in schools, churches, courtrooms, and family dinner tables without repercussions. Such is not the same with words like S***, F***, C***, and other colourful metaphors.

So you’re saying someone else needs to step out of a thread they might be really interested in, and maybe have some really interesting into, because you want to say ‘rape’ to mean ‘won’.

Typeline wrote:My friends and I are often like that. And I too feel that offensive words have some of their power taken away from them if people use them in a more nonchalant manner. If every goes around saying f**k this and f**k that, with no one getting offended or getting onto them the word looses something. It looses it's draw of use really. No one is offended, it turns no heads. Of course the F-word is very versatile so I would suspect it would still see use.

Among certain crowds a word might have become sufficiently common that it has lost its offense. It's also likely that you'll know the background of everyone in that group. So really, in those groups people should feel free to say whatever they want. This isn’t such a place though. It’s a public venue, and you can’t ever know exactly what someone reading the thread might have experienced. So it’s better to check your language a little.

dogma wrote:

Typeline wrote:
With a name like Killkrazy I thought you'd understand flushes of testosterone a little better. Killing... very offensive. Being crazy about it? Absolutely outrageous. Having the gal to misspell it with a K? Blood boiling.

There's only one 'L' in his name. What does it say about you that you saw a second one?

Typeline wrote:
My friends and I are often like that. And I too feel that offensive words have some of their power taken away from them if people use them in a more nonchalant manner. If every goes around saying f**k this and f**k that, with no one getting offended or getting onto them the word looses something. It looses it's draw of use really. No one is offended, it turns no heads. Of course the F-word is very versatile so I would suspect it would still see use.

Then your friends, and you, lead very sheltered little lives.

It'd still be pronounced the same. Also, it's a joke dude calm down. And I don't get your second point. We curse a lot and use vulgar language in our group's common vernacular so we're sheltered?

Typeline wrote:
It'd still be pronounced the same.

Pronunciation doesn't denote meaning, or do you think Kilkenny is the place where people who want to kill Kenny decided to live?

Typeline wrote:
Also, it's a joke dude calm down. And I don't get your second point. We curse a lot and use vulgar language in our group's common vernacular so we're sheltered?

I'm not particularly invested in this. I really don't care how you, or your friends talk. I just think that a willingness to use 'rape' in common parlance shows a lack of exposure to affects of that act. Its on the same level as throwing around the n-word, c-word, or f-double-g word in that it has a very specific heritage based upon the derogation of a certain group of people. In this case the sexually vulnerable.

dogma wrote:

Typeline wrote:
It'd still be pronounced the same.

Pronunciation doesn't denote meaning, or do you think Kilkenny is the place where people who want to kill Kenny decided to live?

Typeline wrote:
Also, it's a joke dude calm down. And I don't get your second point. We curse a lot and use vulgar language in our group's common vernacular so we're sheltered?

I'm not particularly invested in this. I really don't care how you, or your friends talk. I just think that a willingness to use 'rape' in common parlance shows a lack of exposure to affects of that act. Its on the same level as throwing around the n-word, c-word, or f-double-g word in that it has a very specific heritage based upon the derogation of a certain group of people. In this case the sexually vulnerable.

You seem pretty invested, your fighting me tooth and nail.

I'm not fighting you. Simply pointing out that there are implicit issues with the normalization of certain words. Especially ones so specific as 'rape'.

It's not like free use of the f-word. Sex is not an act which negatively impacts society. Rape is.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Surely your vocabulary is extensive enough to facilitate the inclusion of some other verb?

I wish I'd written that, it raped my English.

captain.gordino wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Surely your vocabulary is extensive enough to facilitate the inclusion of some other verb?

I wish I'd written that, it raped my English.

F**king lawl!

I've started to get your point about the rape thing Dogma. Rape is more a violent sexual term. Turns a lot of people off. I don't really think I've ever used the word here outside this thread though. But I've always held true to one statement about people and their freedom of speech "Either it's all ok, or none of it is ok".

The first amendment has legal limits, such as slander and libel.

Typeline wrote:

captain.gordino wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Surely your vocabulary is extensive enough to facilitate the inclusion of some other verb?

I wish I'd written that, it raped my English.

F**king lawl!

I've started to get your point about the rape thing Dogma. Rape is more a violent sexual term. Turns a lot of people off. I don't really think I've ever used the word hear outside this thread though. But I've always held true to one statement about people and their freedom of speech "Either it's all ok, or none of it is ok".

Sorry to attack your mantra, but I've never heard such tosh. Racism, that's cool then? Threats? Lies? Abuse? Harrasment?

Typeline wrote:
I've started to get your point about the rape thing Dogma. Rape is more a violent sexual term. Turns a lot of people off. I don't really think I've ever used the word hear outside this thread though. But I've always held true to one statement about people and their freedom of speech "Either it's all ok, or none of it is ok".

Banning a word legally is certainly over the line, but there is something to be said for socialization. People can say whatever they want, but they must be willing to deal with the consequences as a result.

Typeline wrote:F**king lawl!

I've started to get your point about the rape thing Dogma. Rape is more a violent sexual term. Turns a lot of people off. I don't really think I've ever used the word hear outside this thread though. But I've always held true to one statement about people and their freedom of speech "Either it's all ok, or none of it is ok".

As a legal principle, absolutely. If anyone was looking to ban the term or otherwise remove it from political debate, I'd be right next to you on the picket line. Except, you know, we're not.

People are saying that it'd be good if people considered other people when deciding how to phrase things. You're still free to express any idea you feel is important, but if you can phrase something with potentially less offensive terms and still keep the full meaning, maybe you should.

And if you can't phrase things without using terms that offend others, don't expect to be treated with much respect by the community.

Many people I'm sure like to use this forum like they would a gaming club, and don't revel in the anonymity of the internet. So they tailor their language to use with strangers and don't use words that could be offensive.

If you want to use the internet as your personal playground and use "it's the internet dude" as an excuse to say whatever you want, expect people to disagree with you.

I don't think these words need to be banned however. If someone repeatedly used language I didn't like I'd use the ignore button.

Anyone who's offended by the word rape ought to grab a dictionary, and educate himself, because half the uses of the word clearly fall outside the context of 'forced sexual intercourse'.

nostromo wrote:Anyone who's offended by the word rape ought to grab a dictionary, and educate himself, because half the uses of the word clearly fall outside the context of 'forced sexual intercourse'.

Quite true, however it is the meaning of forced sexual congress that is used when kids use it to denote winning in a video game.

Kilkrazy wrote:

nostromo wrote:Anyone who's offended by the word rape ought to grab a dictionary, and educate himself, because half the uses of the word clearly fall outside the context of 'forced sexual intercourse'.

Quite true, however it is the meaning of forced sexual congress that is used when kids use it to denote winning in a video game.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape

Is anyone here going to claim that when someone claims one unit rapes another unit he's making a reference to "an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside"? Or the act of seizing and carrying the other unit off by force?

Because that seems to be what people are trying to claim here, and seems a little silly to me.