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Oh, by the way, Zombies are particularly rubbish things, because their eyes would rapidly dessicate, leaving them completely blind.

Add that to their classically slow reactions, and surviving will be an absolute doddle....

Green Blow Fly wrote:The best thing to do is carry flamers and make your way to a deserted island.

An island's not save enough. The Zombies might walk across the ocean floor and just show up at the beach. Can you fortify an entire Island?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Oh, by the way, Zombies are particularly rubbish things, because their eyes would rapidly dessicate, leaving them completely blind.

Add that to their classically slow reactions, and surviving will be an absolute doddle....

I don't think it works that way...

Why not? Their Heart doesn't beat, they don't take on much liquids...

Eyes would be the first things to decay as their is essentially bugger all to them, biologically speaking. Used to work for an opticians and we discussed this in some detail!

It's physically impossible for zombies to cross the ocean.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Why not? Their Heart doesn't beat, they don't take on much liquids...

Eyes would be the first things to decay as their is essentially bugger all to them, biologically speaking. Used to work for an opticians and we discussed this in some detail!

In that case it wouldn't matter. So yes, maybe their eyes do decay, but I don't think it would bother them very much.

Green Blow Fly wrote:It's physically impossible for zombies to cross the ocean.

G

Now that's just plain wrong

Zombies are sexually frustrated. Throw some sex toys at them as a distraction so you escape.

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Reported.

GBF: If you're going to carry on posting pointless crap all over every topic you stumble across, can you at least try and make it vaguely amusing? At the moment you sound like a toddler who's just discovered that saying 'penis' gets it attention.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Why not? Their Heart doesn't beat, they don't take on much liquids...

Eyes would be the first things to decay as their is essentially bugger all to them, biologically speaking. Used to work for an opticians and we discussed this in some detail!

Wait, what?

How are these zombies walking around if they're hearts don't beat but their cells still need nutrients and oxygen?

We'd just be describing regular corpses.

Yeah you are right. I should take off topic discussions about zombies a lot more serious.

G

Please stop spamming the zombies, GBF.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Yeah you are right. I should take off topic discussions about zombies a lot more serious.

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You really should.

Sorry.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Yeah you are right. I should take off topic discussions about zombies a lot more serious.

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Sometimes I think the reason why nerds love discussing zombie apocalypses is because those are the only things we'd be physically able to outrun.

How are these zombies walking around if they're hearts don't beat but their cells still need nutrients and oxygen?

We'd just be describing regular corpses.

That's why the best thing to do is just chill and wait it out.

Firstly, check my pistol and ammunition, then grab my flail and axe, letting my wife take her pick.
After that it's a quick trip to Wal-Mart (1.5 miles away) where I'd load up on a compass, up to date road map, dry goods, medical supplies, ammunition and 2 shotguns.. with force if necessary. Most Wal-Mart employees don't care about the merchandise anyway and would surrender it fairly readily.
Next, it's to the motorcycle store next door where I'll finally get that V-Rod I always wanted and let my wife pick herself out a bike as well.
Then it's to my dad's friend's place. The guy owns a gun store and I've seen his private collection.. it's... extensive. Load up again, then it's off to the back roads trying to get as far as we can to my parents in Alaska.
They'd have shelter, sustainable food and security. In addition, the cold would help keep the chances of the infected showing up, especially in the remote region they live in (near Delta Junction, look it up on Google Earth.. it's a speck in the middle of the mountains).
More than likely, we'd die somewhere along the way due to having to raid stores along the way for more supplies and either fighting other raiders or getting jumped by zombie bob, but at least it's a plan and like Sherman said "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week"

I am just amazed at how many people have chosen some particularly cumbersome weapons.

A sledgehammer would just be trash in this kind of situation. Sure, it might be effective, but just think of how much could go wrong. First of all, up close and personal, a sledgehammer would be all but useless. Secondly, if you're dealing with more than one zombie, good luck. Sorry guys, but you're not Frank West. You can only swing a sledge so many times before you're all but worn out (especially horizontally), and I doubt you're going to be able to effectively hit more than one Zombie with one swing.

And bladed weaponry? Unless you train regularly, which is doubtful, it's not like you're going to be able to behead anything. Stabbing, and even cutting deeply, probably won't do anything to a zombie. Couple that with the fact that a blade is bound to get stuck at least once, and using a sword, axe, or spear is probably a fast track to becoming lunch meat. Not to mention that most axes are about as cumbersome as a sledgehammer (though they are probably the most effective thing to use out of anything with a blade).

I would be inclined to use either a blackjack (short baseball bat) or a steel pipe, both of which I own. Not heavy, easy to swing, not bound to get stuck in anything, and it won't wear me out unless I'm stuck constantly swinging it for a good ten straight minutes. Might lack range, but I would give up range any day to be able to still be effective when a Zombie gets too close, and also to not have face the repercussions of a bad swing.

Anyway, I live right next to a hospital in the Kansas City area (and right across the street from a graveyard, if you're inclined to go the classic zombie route), so I'd be one of the first groups of people to be feeling the effects of a zombie outbreak, due to the large number of ignoramuses that would go to a hospital if bitten. I guess it all boils down to whether or not the zombies in question are runners or shamblers.

If they're runners, I would simply accept the fact that mostly everyone is screwed, including myself. I really have no chance in that situation. I live in a one-floor house with a glass door, plenty of windows, weak doors, no basement, and right in the middle of a metro area, with no real acceptable shelter around (plenty of open buildings). If I was lucky enough to see in a news broadcast or some such thing that the zombies were capable of running, I would accept my fate. I would put on my favorite music, and OD on the best available drug. I can only run for so long, the ammo that I have available would only last so long, and eventually I would be killed. I would rather die peacefully than by being eaten alive, only to eventually perpetuate the outbreak. I'm not suicidal by any means, I'm just a realist. I know that, due to my situation, I'm eventually going to die, no matter how hard I fight it. Better to go out on my own terms.

However, I know that in the case of shamblers, I actually have a chance. Even a pretty decent chance, at that. First thing's first. I grab what's needed. Most importantly: my AK-47. I only have 3 clips, but that's more than enough to get me where I'm going. Crowbar (Very important; can also be used to kill something). Floodlight. Backpack, filled with portable power supply, change of clothes, and non-perishable food. Amphetamines (Extremely important; Keeps me from needing to sleep until I can get somewhere safe, and keeps me in a high state of awareness and focus). And I'd be sure to go dressed in fishing boots (Might seem stupid, but you'll see why in a second).

Once I have everything I need, I'd make my way to the nearest storm drain. Now, I know what most of you are thinking. Hell no, right? Seems like one of the worst places to go. But, once you get over your fear of the dark and cramped spaces in a situation like this, it is most definetly the easiest way to get somewhere. It is all but empty. There is almost no chance I will run into anyone there, alive or dead. Just to make certain, I would kill everything in the immediate area, so nothing could see me go in (the nearest entrance is in the middle of a park that doesn't get used by hardly anyone, so it's likely I won't have to deal with much). When that's done, I turn on my floodlight, pry open the manhole with my trusty crowbar, and head towards my next destination.

I've already gone over this plenty of times with my friend Grant, who is not only a zombie fanatic, but luckily a gun fanatic as well. I already know the route to his house via storm drain (it's really not that difficult, there aren't that many ways to go). When I get there, which shouldn't take more than three or four hours, he'll be waiting barricaded in his basement. The most difficult part will probably be exiting the manhole, as if the street is crowded I don't really have a solution, and I have to kind of let my guard down to crawl out. When I show up and prove that it's actually me, we load up on weapons (he's got plenty to choose from, including a Saiga 12, a PS-90, an AR 15, a Colt 1911, and an M-16, with plenty of ammo for all), get outfitted in some deep sea diving chainmail he has (I'd assume that if they can stand up against a sharkbite, they can stand up against the strength of a human jaw) and then fill up his truck's bed with gas canisters (he's literally got enough of them to fill up the bed. Trust me, he's ready for this). We make our way to the nearest gas station, and one of us plays the lookout while the other fills all of the canisters. He figures this should be more than enough to get to Nevada, wherein he has an uncle that lives in the middle of nowhere with a bomb shelter.

Now, I see quite a few of you with the reasoning that zombies won't bother to enter cold weather areas. I figure exactly the opposite. The cold would probably keep the zombies from rotting further, if anything. I don't really think they would be effected by hypothermia or any such thing. Not that it wouldn't initially be a great place to go, due to such a low number of people to begin with, but I don't think it's a very good natural protection.

Now, hot weather deserts are a different story. Think about it. Even within the United States (and not too far to travel for me, to boot), the desert areas have extremely sparse populations. I would think that zombies would eventually rot in the extremely high temperatures, and might even learn to stay away from such areas out of instinct. Might be more difficult to actually live in such an area, but with shelter, and supplies within a driveable distance, I think it would at least be manageable.

From there...we live.

And Deadshane...just a little observation. I would think that Horses would be absolutely out of the question. Sure, they might be more resilient and everything, and able to traverse basically anything, but, just think...Even if most animals are immune to 'zombie viruses' in most zombie lore, there's always that chance. I would stay as far away from any horses as I could, because a zombie horse would be just about the last thing I would want to deal with. Just playing it safe.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Oh, by the way, Zombies are particularly rubbish things, because their eyes would rapidly dessicate, leaving them completely blind.

See, thats the strange thing about the Solanum Virus...it affects the body in very interesting ways.

Add that to their classically slow reactions, and surviving will be an absolute doddle....

Until the "horde" has you trapped in a corner somewhere. Kind of difficult to maneuver under the press of a hundred bodies...much less dodge.

Classic example of a "victim" here folks. Another doubter....one of the first to fall.

Chrysaor686 wrote:

And Deadshane...just a little observation. I would think that Horses would be absolutely out of the question. Sure, they might be more resilient and everything, and able to traverse basically anything, but, just think...Even if most animals are immune to 'zombie viruses' in most zombie lore, there's always that chance. I would stay as far away from any horses as I could, because a zombie horse would be just about the last thing I would want to deal with. Just playing it safe.

Already thought of that, dont worry, this is no warhorse, and I'm no hero. Discretion is the better part of valor in this situation and I plan on keeping my transportation as safe as possible.

I'm pretty screwed in the case of an outbreak. I live in a densley populated area of South London, have only a box of cornflakes in my cupboard and, being a Brit, no guns. My cellar is chock full of makeshift weapons though, I'm thinking cricket bat as first choice, or a metal chair leg. As soon as I hear about the outbreak, I'm moving, hopefully with housemates in tow (safety in numbers and all that) I have zero chance of survival here, and I want to get going before the Zombies multiply in numbers. I can cycle to the Thames in 10 minutes, and I reckon that's my best shot (I'll be on the lookout for abandoned cars with keys...). On the way I'll raid one of the many small shops on the route for food, water and potential weapon upgrades. Once at the river, I'm stealing the best boat I can find (preferably a river ferry, but even a rower would do) and setting sail for France. Hopefully, with Britain being an island the virus will be contained here. If not, I'll cycle the French countryside looking for a farmhouse to hole up in.

Either that or go to the pub round the corner and hide. I dunno, judgement call.

If they're runners, try to get to the pub, drink till I feel invincible, and die a happy man taking as many of the mother chuffers with me as possible.

Deadshane1 wrote:Already thought of that, dont worry, this is no warhorse, and I'm no hero. Discretion is the better part of valor in this situation and I plan on keeping my transportation as safe as possible.

I was honestly thinking more along the lines of encountering a zombified horse while trying to procure yourself some transportation. There's a pretty big chance that on a farm, if one of them gets infected, then all of them will be. I can only imagine how fast a zombie horse could run until it's joints cave in, and then I don't really want to think about what it would feel like to be torn apart by a horse. Headshots are pretty much out of the question for something moving that fast (especially since you have to aim for a certain part of the head), and the only weapon I would think would be even reasonable against a horse charging at you would be a shotgun. Keeping a healthy horse from getting infected once you actually have one wouldn't be all that difficult, it's just getting ahold of one that would be difficult.

Greebynog wrote:As soon as I hear about the outbreak, I'm moving, hopefully with housemates in tow (safety in numbers and all that)

In this situation, I would think that safety in numbers couldn't be further from the truth.

To drag out another old adage, you're only as strong as your weakest link. If one of you gets infected, you're all pretty much screwed unless you take him out (and it's gotta suck to have to beat one of your friends to death with a cricket bat ). I would probably degenerate into the arsehole in the group, and shoot anyone that's been bitten, no questions asked. Not that I'm a hypocrite. If I'm bitten, I'd happily take the liberty of putting a bullet through my brain as well.

Two people would probably be the 'right' number in the event of an outbreak. Three's a crowd. And dragging anyone along that's potentially a risk to yourself (yes, even your girlfriend), is not at all the smartest thing to do. Forgive me for being realistic, but if someone can't handle their own ass, they're nothing more than another zombie waiting to happen.

I feel for you though. The UK would probably be the worst place to be in the event of a zombie apocalypse.

I seriously need a Plan B, as if my friend Grant dies, or hauls ass on out of Kansas without me (not that I would blame him), I'm pretty much screwed. It's a shame most people look at you strange when you try to discuss what you would do in such a situation.

for me, this depends entirely on warning: if I have good warning (IE, about two hours or so) I'll move immediately to the ferries, and move out to an island. Equipment I'll have on me: in backpack: Food, laptop, water/coke, canned goods, (as much as i can carry) screwdriver, my big knife, a good glass and plate and cutlery, and if possible, some fishing line etc. the island where I'll be headed to has a steep dropoff, and so therefore is good for fishing. other equipment: Leather jacket, a couple of pocket knives, and if possible, the components of RDX (a plastic high-explosive).

If I don't have a good warning, get big knife, move to the strip mall down the street, clean the area of zombies (assuming not a ravening horde, just a couple etc., as is likely for I live no where near the airport) otherwise, equipment stays the same. In this mall, get components of thermite and RDX as possible, and set traps and stuff. I realize i'm boned at this point, but if someone else gets to the mall with a boat, i'll be good (which is likely, as i live near a major river and harbour).

Well I live in densely populated Vancouver on the west coast of Canada...

I'd wait out the first week of panic by barricading myself at a local high school. Long term plan is to make it up to the mountains and wait it out there inside one of the ski resorts.

Pretty much screwed for weapons outside of butcher knives.

jp400 wrote:
Ask anyone with any real experience, like Myself (Ex Army) and Deadshane1 (Cop) just how far anykind of "By the Book" train of thought actually makes it "on the streets" so to speak.

... do you honestly think they wont drop something along the lines of a MOAB or Neutron Bomb before sending in ground troops regardless of collateral damage?

ROFL! Please don't make me laugh so hard this early in the morning, I just managed to squirt hot tea out of my nose!
Ok, first things first. I don't take the word of the ZSG as gospel, becuase ZOMBIES ARE FICTIONAL.
I was putting it out there as something to take on board to a FICTIONAL dicussion. I don't think there's a scale, you know, deciding which fiction is truer than the other fiction.

Secondly, "Ask anyone with real experience? Experience fighting Zombies?!?! Seriously, are you even real?
Oh and you've piqued by curiosity, how far does "by the book" training go, "on the streets"?! LOL, that's outrageous.

When you say you're ex-army, was is the Street Army?

That list is hilarious.

Oh one last thing. Neutron Bomb? The last Enhanced Radiation Weapon (ERW) was dismantled over five years ago. No-one even makes ERWs these days. Being a man of real military experience you know this already of course. ERWs suck. There's no guarantee you will kill all targets; taking ground troops into a highly irradiated area is such a stupid idea it doesn't warrant discussion. Too many video games for you, Army Boy. Being a man of real military experience you know this already of course.

Unless...

Unless you know something we don't...

Dun dun DUUUH!!!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Oh, by the way, Zombies are particularly rubbish things, because their eyes would rapidly dessicate, leaving them completely blind.
Add that to their classically slow reactions, and surviving will be an absolute doddle....

I've never thought of the eyes thing, that's definately worth discussing. The slow reactions aren't what make zombies dangerous, it's the numbers. That's the kicker.

Green Blow Fly wrote:It's physically impossible for zombies to cross the ocean.G

Even though you're trolling in extremis, zombies can walk underwater, as seen in Zombie (Flesh Eaters) where the zombie fights a Tiger Shark. Badass!

Chrysaor686 wrote:
A sledgehammer would just be trash in this kind of situation

I would be inclined to use either a blackjack (short baseball bat) or a steel pipe

Now, I see quite a few of you with the reasoning that zombies won't bother to enter cold weather areas. I figure exactly the opposite.

Now, hot weather deserts are a different story. Think about it.

You're right... I was showboating with the sledgehammer idea. I just love the idea of driving in my car, clobbing people in the head with a sledge. Kinda like Mad Max Croquet.
Blackjack is an ace idea, as is a length of pipe. Make sure you have a good corner bracket on the end though ;-)

Your plan is almost flawless, I love it. I agree that zombies are gonna be pretty resilient to the cold. Like ham in the fridge. Although is they're shamblers, you do have the chance that they'll freeze solid.
Check out the movie Dead Snow, it's about Nazi Zombies in Norway. They're runners, so they don't mind the cold.

But, Resi 3 (the movie), has a ton of zombies busting about in the desert, and they don't seem to mind it at all.

Well, I have a bunch of friends that live closeby, and we were all Boy Scouts together in high school, so this conversation came up once. We would go to an extremely remote BSA camp about an hour away, with a shotgun, rifle, and archery range. There is a lake, and only 2 trails into the camp. We would use the weapons at the camp. I have another friend who I would convince to come with us, and he has like 20 guns of various types. Once at the camp, we would raid the kitchen which has enough food to feed us for a year at least, and just hold off the zombie hordes until the apocalypse is over.

Here goes...

I live in North London, about ten minutes away from the River. I'm a pretty fanatical rower, I know my way around the river, I know the systems, how the tides in my area go, etcetera. I also know that it would be impossible to utilise the Upper Thames in the happenening of a Zombocalypse. The tideway would be impossible to negotiate if you're heading inland during some of the day, and you wouldn't reach a calmer stretch until Richmond Lock, about 10 Miles downstream from me. This would mean a really quick ride down, and, in any case, it would be a stupid thing to travel inland by river.

I have also family spread about the Country, some in Bristol, some in Norfolk, half my family in France and a few in Germany also. This would be difficult to coordinate some sort of effort, but in the hope that IT companies stay afloat longest (I guess BT would be one of the last to be overrun, a lot of the British Interet infrastructure is supported by their cables) we could stay in touch via Skype, and Internet Phone. I'd honestly jump on my bicycle, and I'd be out of town quickly considering the narrow streets would be chock-a-block with traffic of evacuees. The Underground would most definately be a no-go, so I'd find the nearest ATM, and withdraw all of my cash; in case of emergency. I'd pack a rucksack full of provisions, cash, and sling my laptop in their also. Considering I train 5-6 times a week, I'm pretty fit, and so cycling fast out of the city would be no problem. From there I would cash in on the hardshoulder of the M25, and consolidate. If I could hook up with some friends, all the better. Communication would be a great problem in this situation, but luckily in the early stages infrastructure would still remain pretty solid, and so quick phone-calls would be fine. As has been said before, safety in numbers would be a blessing and a curse, but two of my Boaty friends are amongst the toughest, most resilient people I had ever seen, and it would work out. Friend A's uncle is retiring soon, but is an Armed Officer in the Met Police's Terrorism unit. This would, hopefully, culminate in a few G36s... but I would doubt the police would be lending out arms to the public.

Once we'd link up, we'd contravene in Friend A's family cottage in the country, travelling via Friend B's Doge Ram. Nothing like a Ram to mow through Zombies.

Weapons wise, I would hope for something simple -- a pipe or a Cricket Bat (English equivalent of baseball bat) -- and that would do us until we got more coordinated.

Must think more...

sA

Tek wrote:

jp400 wrote:
Ask anyone with any real experience, like Myself (Ex Army) and Deadshane1 (Cop) just how far anykind of "By the Book" train of thought actually makes it "on the streets" so to speak.

... do you honestly think they wont drop something along the lines of a MOAB or Neutron Bomb before sending in ground troops regardless of collateral damage?

ROFL! Please don't make me laugh so hard this early in the morning, I just managed to squirt hot tea out of my nose!
Ok, first things first. I don't take the word of the ZSG as gospel, becuase ZOMBIES ARE FICTIONAL.
I was putting it out there as something to take on board to a FICTIONAL dicussion. I don't think there's a scale, you know, deciding which fiction is truer than the other fiction.


Think before you speak.... at least try for gods sake. Rofl
Of course some fiction is truer then other. Do you honestly think that someone who has been dead will come crawling out of the ground? No, it will never happen.
Now lets say the Rabies Strain mutates so that the incubation period is just a few hours and suddenly BAM! you have 28 days later style zombies. That is a real possibility wouldnt you say?

Secondly, "Ask anyone with real experience? Experience fighting Zombies?!?! Seriously, are you even real?
Oh and you've piqued by curiosity, how far does "by the book" training go, "on the streets"?! LOL, that's outrageous.

When you say you're ex-army, was is the Street Army?

That list is hilarious.


First off, Did I say "Real Experience fighting zombies?" No I did not, maybe you should read my post again except this time pull your head out from where the sun dont shine when you do.

Second... Since its plain to me that you dont have a clue, im not going to waste my time explaining what "By the Book" means. Go ahead and google it, or ask anyone in your country that has seen combat just how far "By the Book" goes in a no gak situation.

Speaking of Google, dont believe everything you read on Wiki, since its plain to me that thats exactly what you did on the topic of Neutron Bombs.
If you believe this, then by god the US really did get rid of its Bio Weapons Research program back in 69 and hasnt spent a dime on it since then. I guess all those Government facilities are just holding onto verious strains of various nasty things because they are collectable. Petri Dish Pogs! Collect all 347,000!!!

Oh one last thing. Neutron Bomb? The last Enhanced Radiation Weapon (ERW) was dismantled over five years ago. No-one even makes ERWs these days. Being a man of real military experience you know this already of course. ERWs suck. There's no guarantee you will kill all targets; taking ground troops into a highly irradiated area is such a stupid idea it doesn't warrant discussion. Too many video games for you, Army Boy. Being a man of real military experience you know this already of course.


Name one weapon on the face of the earth that will 100% every time kill everyone? Please the world would LOVE to know.
Did I miss something? Since when can the US not fight in a radioactive environment?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31910792@N05/3200638051/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOPP

http://armyreco.ifrance.com/amerique_du_nord/etats_unis/vehicules_a_roues/fox/fox_fuchs_reconnaissance_vehicle_us_army_06.jpg

I guess that all those weeks training to fight in a simulated nuclear environment were just for gaks and giggles. Silly, silly Army.
I suggest that at this point, you just quietly slip away from this topic. I also suggest that next time you try to argue anything about another countrys military with a ex-member from that military please at least research something ANYTHING before you open your mouth. You wont look near as stupid.

Have a nice day.

First off ill begin by saying...deadshane1...you and I would get along swimingly, being a HUGE zombie fan the way that my friends and I usually talk about the idea is by first determining what kind of "zombies" we would be dealing with. lemme explain:

You have traditionally night of the living dead, undead, slow, infect by bite just kills, all corpses not dealt with "head wise" reanimate regarless of whether or not the person was biten(this means buried folks come back first): generally manageable, no even real need for ranged weaponry as you would be able to wallop them in skirmishes(hit and run to disorganize them) and survive on simple fencing and/or staying mobile: note attacking them for extended periods= nono as the larger their numbers, the exponentially dangerous they become: Advantage-only undead people, no undead anything else.

Next is dawn of the dead(remake): now with the edition of running undead, this means headshot only runners, one bite and its over zombies =very bad news...possibly the worst scenario and by far the hardest to deal with. my guess in this case would be that 99% world population is by-by, just not enough general time to react to what is happening. only real advantage here is that saliva/blood is only form of transmition, die naturally, no reanimate.

THird is Resident Evil type Apoc: Bad/ manageable/ really bad. THis situation would just plain suck, first not only are the reanimated undead, but have increased strength due to the virus, possible mutability, and not onlypeople are effective...cross species= reg humies are dead meat, near guarantied infection.

Final is 28 days later event: Now, one could argue that these are not technically zombies as they have no real desire to eat you, though they feel perfectly accaptable reasons to bite, and they are not actually undead...I accept it as one scenario as they are equally a mindless horde bent on human destruction. So for my reasons, pros and cons of this event...Not undead, means bullets anywhere BAD, means as well prone to exaustion...cons means 10-20 seconds and you turn, spreading faster than any other scenario, which also implies that fighting without orafice covering and blunt weapons could lead to accidental infection from "spray".

So granted on considering all of those ideas, this is how I would go...First off, forts, non top secret military space = bad idea...If there is a world crisis like this, the government would probably first try and save people, which would leave to mayhem at these locations, and possible rapid infection, equally, after this fails they would then go into "pretective" mode, defending their boreders with extreme prejudice. so, what do you do? well, cold is a fine idea, as cold reeks havic on organics, living or deceased, but there is one problem...cold means its harder for you to survive as well. Warm is also not so good, unless you are in prone to hurricane areas and live on elevated ground, 150 mph winds and air ridden shrapnel, not to mention flood waters would also be fairly harmful in the short term(decay in months from wound exposure, elements and changing seasons would rise rapidly) granted once again, you would have to survive cairfully until such times and be WELL fortified yet one benefit means that crops would grow well for most of the year. All in all, sea faring is a not so gooda as it would be extremely difficult to survive on open ocean long term due to dangers at sea, city bound ports, fuel, food, etc... So hears the best plan... Think fall weather in moderate climate, clothes can be doable in winter and easily removed in summer, also long sleeves and pants = relatively good bight protection. Ok just to clarify, if anyone doesnt know this, zombies bighting through clothes is bs. would never happen, cloth is far stronger tear wise than skin and people dont exactly have fangs so though it would hurt like hell, they would never get directly through your clothes. next think one main ranged waepon, one sidearm, main reusable melee weapon and tools/gear/ med supplies, etc... nothing to heavy, even if you have a car/ horse, whatever you need to be able to move fairly rapidly at any moment if something were to happen to your ride. Also, believe or not, having large groups of people is a very good idea for general travel, as long as you move as a unit, move as one, fight as one. If you are by yourself, or with one other person, you better be extremely gifted/skilled in stealth, or you get very VERY quickly outnumbered. Now it is easily argued that movig in small numbers means you can sneak/ escape quicker than with large numbers, but if one thing goes wrong,ONE thing in your small group, you could all perish in an instant with noone to help, and 99% of the time they are going to outnumber you. lastly, weapons wise, ranged weapons should be allocated occording to the user, shotguns for runners/ nonmarksmen, and rifles or "bullet" weapons vise versa. melee weapons would be personal preference. pistol siderm always good idea as a backup ranged weapon is light, very useful and if need be can be used to off yourself before a terrible fate.
Here is my Ideal setup: Rifle(like an m4, something general short and accurate), pistol sidearm like a .40 usp, or barreta 9mm, collapseable baton, portabilaty, striking power and range, and general base med supplies, handy long term energy food, water granola bars(dried). clothes would be a t or long sleeved undershirt, zip up hoody(black) and jeans or camo cargos with running shoes. Forgot to mention that im also somewhat of an artisan( senior in art college, forging/welding/ froming skills) so if I could not aquire one I would build silencers for my weapons. thanks for reading, I await comments.

jp400 wrote:
Now lets say the Rabies Strain mutates so that the incubation period is just a few hours and suddenly BAM! you have 28 days later style zombies. That is a real possibility wouldnt you say?

First off, Did I say "Real Experience fighting zombies?" No ... pull your head out from where the sun dont shine...

Second... Since its plain to me that you dont have a clue, im not going to waste my time explaining what "By the Book" means. Go ahead and google it, or ask anyone in your country that has seen combat just how far "By the Book" goes in a no gak situation.

Speaking of Google, dont believe everything you read on Wiki, since its plain to me that thats exactly what you did on the topic of Neutron Bombs.
If you believe this, then by god the US blah blah blah....

Steady on there JP. Let's not get into territorial pissings now eh? Firstly, my friendly banter has clearly riled you somewhat, so I think it's time you relaxed. I would have thought a off-topic like this would be open and friendly, not full of paranoid mentalists.

I like you're rabies theory, but seeing how we don't have rabies over here, 28 Days Later still seems a way off...
Oh and your "Since its plain to me that you dont have a clue, im not going to waste my time ..." spiel; I think you know you sound like Forum Smart Guy there. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to reveal personal details about myself or my friends to strangers on the internet. I'm not into e-peen contesting.

I think you should simply calm down to be honest, I can imagine you getting all purple in the face, sweating into your keyboard whilst you furiously type up your response. Me? I just copied some stuff from wikipedia. I thought it would encourage discussion, not drive you to such passionate lengths!

If your response was supposed to belittle me, and make you feel better by proving I'm of lower intelligence, all the better for trying. I love the fact you've even said I look stupid. Whilst posting in a Warhammer forum about zombie survival tactics!
I happen to feel very comfortable with who I am; I have nothing to prove so am not going to take part in a battle of military wits with you. Very sorry.


You can even say you won if you like.

PS, you are hilarious.

Tek wrote:Blah Blah Blah........

I think its funny that even with a half dozen e-motes you still mis-read the entire flavor behind my post. WTG Hero! So NO your "friendly Banter" hasnt riled me, I just posted facts cause I could see through your horrible E-bluff. Ever play poker? Hope not cause your poker face would suck. You Horrible Horrible Paranoid Mentalist! Rofl.

Please, what personal Information did I give out over the internetz? Is my SSN or Phone Number posted somewhere that I do not know about? hmmm..... Maybe I posted my net income for last year, or how ofter me and my girl get it on? It would seem that our def of "Personal Information" Is very different.

LoL and I cant think of anything collective to say about your last paragraph other then .
Dont worry, I called the WahBulance. It shall arrive shortly at your doorstep.

Have a nice day!

P.S. Copy Pasting anything From Wiki thinking its truth is what makes you look stupid.

regardless, i wish you guys would just let it go and move on, and rabies is not his theory, the theory was used in "quarantine" formally "[REC]", dont get me wrong, first real beliveable explanation for atleast something that would cause general populous to go nutty and start snacking on each other. Anyways, how do people feel about my reasoning? Ive thought it through quite a bit. Oh an JP, the idea of facts is moot in this discusion as zombie apoc is imaginary, zombies in general are imaginary, so until they actually exist, nothing is facts...