ap 3 helguns how much are they worth

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**Black Blow Fly**

It's hard to say without seeing the entire new ruleset for IG. Probably there will be a special character that enhances them. I am guessing they will have the infiltrate special rule but that drop troops will be gone.

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**Uriels_Flame**

Except for a lack of access to Deep Strike or Infiltrate. And besides, when the new Codex hits it's not like Inquisitorial players will be able to use the new rules for Stormies any more than Dark Angel players can use the new rules for Cyclones, Land Raiders and Storm Shields.
BYE

Did I miss something with this part?

**H.B.M.C.**

Yes.

Dark Angel Storm Shield - 4+(I) save in HTH combat.
Space Marine Storm Shield - 3+(I) save against everything.

Dark Angel Land Raider - Transport Capacity of 10.
Space Marine Land Raider - Transport Capacity of 12.

Dark Angel Cyclone Missile Launcher - Heavy 1
Space Marine Cyclone Missile Launcher - Heavy 2

And so on.

So it doesn't matter what rules the Storm Troopers get in the new 'Dex - it has no effect on the Inquisition until they get an update (around 2025).

BYE

**George Spiggott**

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers are already different from their Imperial Guard counterparts. Imperial Guard Stormtroopers get Frag and Krak grenades as standard for no cost.

IG Shotguns will be Str 3 despite the change to Space Marine ones so it is possible (but unlikely) that Inquisitorial Stormtroopers will stay AP5

**H.B.M.C.**

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers will not change until their Codex is redone.

BYE

**Uriels_Flame**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes.

Dark Angel Storm Shield - 4+(I) save in HTH combat.
Space Marine Storm Shield - 3+(I) save against everything.

Dark Angel Land Raider - Transport Capacity of 10.
Space Marine Land Raider - Transport Capacity of 12.

Dark Angel Cyclone Missile Launcher - Heavy 1
Space Marine Cyclone Missile Launcher - Heavy 2

And so on.

So it doesn't matter what rules the Storm Troopers get in the new 'Dex - it has no effect on the Inquisition until they get an update (around 2025).

BYE

Is this universal for all SM Stand-alone armies (BA, DA, BT, SW)?

**Fafnir**

If the army has a seperate codex, yes, sadly.

**Neil**

I'd say 8 points a piece is fair. A squad of 10 still only kills 4 marines (2 in cover).

let's say Plasma Guns cost 15 points and they can get 2, then for 110 points at rapid fire range in the open you kill 5 marines if lucky. Hardly gamebreaking.

**BoxANT**

I can hear the cries of DE players already.

**H.B.M.C.**

Oh please. Phil Kelly is writing their Codex so they've got nothing to worry about. Besides, they've waited a decade, what's another year?

BYE

**Fafnir**

I can just imagine you saying that about the Daemonhunters one day too...

It hurts a little.

**H.B.M.C.**

*laughs*

Daemonhunters aren't getting a revised Codex. Grey Knights will, but Daemonhunters won't.

BYE

**George Spiggott**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Inquisitorial Storm Troopers will not change until their Codex is redone.

BYE

I was expanding upon your point.

**sonofruss**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes.

Dark Angel Storm Shield - 4+(I) save in HTH combat.
Space Marine Storm Shield - 3+(I) save against everything.

Dark Angel Land Raider - Transport Capacity of 10.
Space Marine Land Raider - Transport Capacity of 12.

Dark Angel Cyclone Missile Launcher - Heavy 1
Space Marine Cyclone Missile Launcher - Heavy 2

And so on.

So it doesn't matter what rules the Storm Troopers get in the new 'Dex - it has no effect on the Inquisition until they get an update (around 2025).

BYE

You forgot that the new land raider has a bs of 4 with the machine spirit.

**Deadshane1**

AP3 laguns....who cares. Like they really mean a damn thing.

Two words for anyone who thinks this issue is important, much less game-breaking....

Nob Bikers.

My PAGK's are laughing at the stormtroopers with AP3 (from within ruins of course) while these guys are still riding around.