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i meant Executioner, but typed exterminator for some silly reason... oops!
3 blasts before sponsons or with sponsons? and i'll take 3 please! especially if
"doesn't get hot" still!

Ouch yeah 5 Plasma blasts....
-dreams of melting MEQs, prods the melted MEQ, ichy-

Hell yes!

@alarmingrick: 3 without sponsons

It's Heavy 3 Blast now.

I just hope you can make veteran tanks granting +1 BS, but I doubt that's gonna happen.

"It's Heavy 3 Blast now. "

there's got to be a catch. that just seems too good to be true!

alarmingrick wrote:"It's Heavy 3 Blast now. "

there's got to be a catch. that just seems too good to be true!

If there is a catch, it will be put in the Executioner entry within the Codex. All we have to go off is the summary right now and there's no hint what, if any, the drawback is. I for one hope there is none as the Executioner up until now was sub-par to say the least and my poor, expensive resin turret hasn't seen paint, much less use, until now.

alarmingrick wrote:"It's Heavy 3 Blast now. "

there's got to be a catch. that just seems too good to be true!

The Russ MBT will be cheaper, have a longer range, higher strength, and the AP difference will be negligible because nobody uses terminators.

dogma wrote:because nobody uses terminators.

What game are you playing? I've seen more Terminators since the Marine Codex was released than I did all of 3rd Edition.

Platuan4th wrote:
What game are you playing? I've seen more Terminators since the Marine Codex was released than I did all of 3rd Edition.

You saw Terminators in 3rd?

Platuan4th wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:"It's Heavy 3 Blast now. "

there's got to be a catch. that just seems too good to be true!

If there is a catch, it will be put in the Executioner entry within the Codex. All we have to go off is the summary right now and there's no hint what, if any, the drawback is. I for one hope there is none as the Executioner up until now was sub-par to say the least and my poor, expensive resin turret hasn't seen paint, much less use, until now.

well, codex entry placement and cost. I think that could do it one of two ways.
1. If they consider this a "new" tank, they will overprice the hell out of it and it will just not be worth the points. PLenty other tanks from that list are in greater danger of having this happen to them.
2. If they consider this a second gen design (which they could, if they want to "count" the time it's been out with Forgeworld), then it will have a price lower than option one by a significant amount.

"1. If they consider this a "new" tank, they will overprice the hell out of it and it will just not be worth the points. PLenty other tanks from that list are in greater danger of having this happen to them. "

i'm affraid this is the route they'll go. great tank but the points cost will make unusable.

Another option I just thought of, a likely one. Well, as likely as all the other mind fluff out there. If they have a new Russ kit coming out, or if they have an additional weapons sprue to add to the current kit to support the new turret (and poss. sponson) loadouts (yeah, we're dreamin of plastic plasma cannons and Punishers and plasma destroyers Oh My!), then just underprice them all in order ot sell more kits! What was I thinking before, underpointing all these, with turret weapon options thrown in, will be the Way of the Ching.

Sometimes I make even me laugh.

So, start with a 90 point Russ chassis, and then start layering on the options. Plasma destroyer (or whatever the plasma Russ turret is called, I forget) for 50 points, plasma cannon sponsons 30 for the pair, 5 for the Hull HB, and PMHS for 10? XRMR for 10-ish? Would you pay 200 points-ish for a pillbox with 5 7/2 Blasts, 3 HB shots, 3 (?) PMHS shots? Reduce that turret plasma down to 35 and you got yourself a deal.

removed to save grizgrins blood pressure and so i won't get called sugar again.

Whoa, who you quoting there cowboy? I KNOW you ain't quotin me. Edit is your friend here.

Had your chance. Read the paragraph you were quotin from there. Now read it again, completely. Now, one time, strictly because just like eatin your vegetables readin is good for you, read it ONCE more. If you can't see that I was speaking of points, not kit price, then call your neurologist about that brain damage.

i really get the impression i've wronged you in a past life or something.
i was stealing your quote and saying I think they'll give us less and charge
us more. i wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. not sure why you're so
aggressive towards me. sure i don't owe you money or something?

Taking a quote out of context, as you have, is a low-brow approach to achieving mis-quotes. Read the context, sugar. G'hed, it won't bite.

happy, sweety?

You owe me for the number of my brain cells you tried to kill with your ridiculous posts. And then quoting me out of context? Oh, please.

Money is NOTHING compared to the debt you owe me.

And my bloodpressure is fine. You can't even spell a screen name right? Do you see a capital in grizgrin anywhere?

As a pig in gak.

could we get back OT now, or is there more of my flaws you'd like to point out?

your attempts to butter me up are doomed to failure.

Fine. Which is more broken, the Punisher (with maybe 3 HB's???) or the 5 Blast Executioner (assuming it gets the plasma sponson option???)?

Discuss.

Executioner all the way. if nothing else because of it going from 1 heavy to 3 heavy.

grizgrin wrote:your attempts to butter me up are doomed to failure.

Fine. Which is more broken, the Punisher (with maybe 3 HB's???) or the 5 Blast Executioner (assuming it gets the plasma sponson option???)?

Discuss.

The executioner is more dangerous. It's great anti-horde and anti-heavy infantry. The punisher has the same range as a demolisher and a much lower potential damage-output.

And a question for you - is the whole "being a douche/trolling alarmingrick" thing a gimmick, or are you and defiler just human turds?

"The punisher has the same range as a demolisher and a much lower potential damage-output."
but the though of putting 29 shots out in one turn of firing...the horror!

i have to admit the Eradicator Nova Cannon and the Bane Wolf with chemical cannon sound interesting.
anybody know or guess what special rules they might have?

dumbuket: your screen name says it all.

Only advantage I can really see in the Punisher is close in work with lo-save opponents, in the cover save-prevalent environment. Disavantage of the Blasts is that after things have thinned out (or spread out if there is room) the blasts begin to lose traction while the 20 shots are still hitting. Really, it's a fine line only worth considering under specific situations.

/popcorn.

The catch with the executioner is that it will get the 'Gets Hot!' special rule. And when you roll a one the entire board goes Chernobyl.

i was affraid of that. but if they give it the "Gets hot!!" special rule,
then other vehicles and dreads should be subject to it too.

alarmingrick wrote:i was affraid of that. but if they give it the "Gets hot!!" special rule,
then other vehicles and dreads should be subject to it too.

Other vehicles don't have this weapon :-p

BTW, I was just fooling around if you didn't catch my sarcasm.

dreads have plasma cannon arms that don't GH.
i'm not saying you meant it. i'm saying i'm affraid
they'll make it so #1!

alarmingrick wrote:dreads have plasma cannon arms that don't GH.
i'm not saying you meant it. i'm saying i'm affraid
they'll make it so #1!

Dreadnoughts have an executioner plasma cannon? News to me.

Shooting three times as much plasma as a regular plasma cannon has to have some repercussions.

Or that tank is on ice, and not the bling bling ice, mind you.