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Thank the stars.

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Orks - loota and biker spam lists
Chaos - lash oblit spam
Daemons - crusher and possible weaver spam mix
Marines - hammer spam

I think Daemon/ Chaos Marine combos will be on the top tables.

Wow this really polarized:

Codex Space Marines 9% [ 10 ]
Codex Daemons 13% [ 14 ]
Codex Orks 47% [ 51 ]
Codex Chaos Space Marines 14% [ 15 ]

Orks with a head and shoulders lead.

On general commentary I think this is unfortunate, but reasonable.

Unfortunate because there are so many great armies for theme (that have uncompetative and outdated codexes).

Reasonable because the best armies in a tactical sense are pretty obvious.

Should Orks really be the (obviously) best army?

from the large amount of votes i would say so augustus, allthough i think eldar are not 100% out of it.
a good general with a well planned eldar army can pull off some pretty amazing wins.

if tau or crons blitz it i would be pretty happy, but there isnt a chance of that one

Well I actually think the witchhunters are terribly under represented here (not the Eldar). IMO they are much more likely to beat the power builds than say Eldar or Tau are.

They have the advantage of convenient counters in faith points for a lot of issues, they are very adaptable. They have great troops that stay around. They nearly ignore the morale section with the book of saint lucious and faith. I also think a pair of exorcists would really hurt Ork Nob units for example...

hmmm 2 votes?

(Necrons got zero, that army really hit hard times hasn't it?)

Deamons won it. Not surprised at all, they break many of the game mechanics and are tough as nails.

Ha! Called it!

Daemons, huh?

I think Codex Toledo won best overall with a CSM coalition. They were playing DD1 (daemon coalition) in the last round.

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Yes Chaos marines won. Lash owns Orks and Daemons. 1st place got 20-30 more points than 2nd place. 2nd place was 357pts and we were tied with another team for 3rd place at 352. I don't know what armies the other guys had, but we had Lash Chaos also.

Overall I would say Daemons were the most common armies taken. You couldn't take 2 steps without tripping over Bloodcrusher units. I want to say there were 2-3 dedicated Nob Biker lists and maybe 4-6 Ork Horde lists. Most armies seemed meta'd vs. Orks and Daemons. There were a few teams with 8 Land Raiders, mostly loyalists. There was one half lash, half sisters army which was nasty. Half the army would lash you into the divine guidanced sisters and pow.

So DD1 took second? If so, great job guys!

Ozymandias wrote:So DD1 took second? If so, great job guys!

No they took a thumping in the last round to the eventual champions and finished down a little bit maybe around 10th or so. They were at one of the two top tables for the last round though.

Oh ok. Still, that's a really good showing. I think every year they've gotten higher and higher.

Next year we'll have DD2 bringing down the average...

Ozymandias wrote:Oh ok. Still, that's a really good showing. I think every year they've gotten higher and higher.

Next year we'll have DD2 bringing down the average...

First, the Toledo boys had a 3 CSM/1 Daemon coalition.

Second, this is actually DD1's worst showing ever, largely because we got thumped soundly in the last round. On the plus side, that means we were playing for all the marbles in the final round - nice to have your destiny in your own hands.

As mentioned, DD1 (Centurian99, Yakface, Janthkin and I) were fighting Codex Toledo in the last round for the win.

From what I hear the Centurian99/Yakface game was lost when they got into a huge assault with the Bloodcrushers and Horrors vs. a lot of CSM and the horrors getting wiped out caused a huge combat resolution loses to the Bloodcrushers.

The Janthkin/Blackmoor game was lost when we rolled a 2 and got the wrong half of our army in. This will seem like sour grapes too, but IMO the ruling council made a very bad call by allowing Demons from the demon codex to summon off of icon from the CSM codex. This allows demons to land without any chance of a mishap on turn #1 because of the icons already on the ground. This is a huge advantage, with the demons never having to deviate.

For some reason I was drawn to the Toledo guys over the weekend. I ended up playing Mike in the Gladiator, Brad and John in the team tournament, and Sparks in the Invitational.

Blackmoor wrote:This will seem like sour grapes too, but IMO the ruling council made a very bad call by allowing Demons from the demon codex to summon off of icon from the CSM codex. This allows demons to land without any chance of a mishap on turn #1 because of the icons already on the ground. This is a huge advantage, with the demons never having to deviate.

I didn't realize that was in the INAT. Wow. I thought the policy was 'unless you're the same codex, don't cross the streams'. Which, is somewhat harsh, but avoids cheddar like that.

Yeah upon seeing that I really thought a 2 and 2 would win adepticon (2 chaos daemons, and 2 chaos space marines).

Not only would you get the non scatter on the initial drops but you could also summon in lesser daemons off the codex daemons to provide some buffer for more fragile stuff.

It would be interesting to see what their lists looked like.

I thought the ruling concerning the icons fit both armies' background well. I don't blame Toledo for taking advantage.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I thought the ruling concerning the icons fit both armies' background well. I don't blame Toledo for taking advantage.

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Especially when there were so many prominent memebers of the council on DD1. No reason to complain when your teammates help make the rule.

The ruling certainly fits the background of both armies. And it was certainly open for everyone to take advantage of. And DD1 certainly knew what it could do. But, it's also against, what I took to be a general rule of, 'if it's not out of the same codex, it doesn't work'.

dietrich wrote:The ruling certainly fits the background of both armies. And it was certainly open for everyone to take advantage of. And DD1 certainly knew what it could do. But, it's also against, what I took to be a general rule of, 'if it's not out of the same codex, it doesn't work'.

I agree with you. I thought it was a BS ruling and I still do, but it is what it is.

DarthDiggler wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:I thought the ruling concerning the icons fit both armies' background well. I don't blame Toledo for taking advantage.

Especially when there were so many prominent memebers of the council on DD1. No reason to complain when your teammates help make the rule.

We all knew what the ruling was long before the day - there were no surprises. Yakface didn't like the ruling on a more philosophical grounds - it's not about power, it's about giving two completely different items from two completely different books the same rules, because they happen to share a name.

It was, however, quite effective.

No sour grapes on my part - Blackmoor & I gambled on a really heavy wave, rather than a more balanced approach, and failed. Brad & John played well, and avoided any significant mistakes that might have gotten us back into it. Dice were involved. It was a good game.

First, the Toledo boys had a 3 CSM/1 Daemon coalition.

HA! I called it. When I saw the rules allowing Daemon to summon off of CSM icons...I knew that the top dogs of the day was going to be a CSM/ Daemon alliance. I have to say though, by the sounds of it...it seems like a lot of carbon copy armies this year. What a shame.

Capt K

DarthDiggler wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:I thought the ruling concerning the icons fit both armies' background well. I don't blame Toledo for taking advantage.

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Especially when there were so many prominent memebers of the council on DD1. No reason to complain when your teammates help make the rule.

This was a Team Tournament clarification and NOT In the INAT at all. No one in Dakka Detachment One had any say about that whatsoever. That clarification was on the TT rules page for months and months and months and months and months but no one ever said anything to me about reviewing it.

So...place the blame on me. I thought it made perfect thematic sense and fit well within the rules of Wargear the TT has always lived by. Just want to state that before statements like the above turn into the same rumor-mongering BS they always do.

You guys should have Janthkin's Eldar. Sexy metallic chrome... or whatever. I'm guessing
metallic airbrush paint. Hot purple.

Very nice.

You mean that DD1 isn't a bunch of evil gitz that were trying to manipulate the system to give themselves a win?

malfred wrote:You guys should have Janthkin's Eldar. Sexy metallic chrome... or whatever. I'm guessing
metallic airbrush paint. Hot purple.

Very nice.

Thanks...but damn it all, my Eldar have had the least time put into them, aren't even finished, and get far more positive comments than anythinig else I've ever painted.

The lesson is obvious: don't try.

(It's actually "Metallic Periwinkle", by Folk Art - cost you $1/3 oz. at your local Michaels. "Metallic Red Copper" for the other parts. And yes, some quality time with the airbrush.)

I dunno, this quite shows that the organizers are making up the rules to fit for themselves. Just like many people voiced fears about when with the INAT. Sure, you can say: I didnt write my name on that rule but you are all a big part of it, so collusion is a quite big factor in the picture.

It becomes quite valid when it pushes the power factor of "your" armies and punishes others.

haha, Kallbrand you are too funny. There's a post above that says this wasn't even in the INAT, it was in the TT instructions.

Also, it didn't favor Yakface and Centurion99, both of whome are on the counsel.

But feel free to continue the irrational hatred of the INAT FAQ. It both makes me laugh and makes you look stupid.