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By the same token, Chaos dwarves allow for an exploration of ancient Mesopotamian cultures, in ways that are unlikely to occur with an actual human race.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:No I see his point. The whole of human history offers such rich grounds for exploration that GW is foolish to focus on varients of their fantasy armies.

Oh give me a fething break.

When GW does more Imperial armies in 40K people bitch. When GW does too few human armies in Fantasy people bitch.

What they actually said in the seminar was that yes Chaos Dwarves will be updated at some point...along with every other race they have made, for every system they made. It was the standard studio answer to every type of this question that inevitably comes up "Are you planning on updating X army" their answer is ALWAYS "Yes, but I can't tell you when, and right now it isn't in the foreseable future and is probably several years off". Unless its Squats...and lets face it, that joke is really old and stale now.

So rejoicing about Chaos Dwarves ranks right up there with getting the Inquisition redone (yes they said the same thing about them too). Sorry to burst the bubble of the three actual Chaos Dwarf players out there in the world.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Deeds, not words is what I want out of GW. It doesn't look like there's much of anything concrete on show at the Games Day.

Indeed. I have to ask what the hell is the point in the Games Day anymore? There's no tournament, Forge World never brings gak and sells out of what little they did bring very quickly, the concessions are horrible, you don't get discounted products or door prizes or anything, and now GW is so fething tight-lipped they won't even tell you about the releases coming out within the next few months...at least nothing you didn't know already or that hasn't been printed in White Dwarf. None of these rumors I've heard from Chicago are concrete in the slightest, it's all more "ifs" and "maybes" and wishful thinking and fething Jervis wagging his finger with a stupid grin on his face saying "It's a seeeecret!"

Why do people go? Is it just for random gaming and the Golden Demon? The games themselves must not even be that interesting since ALL the GD-related chatter is always about the news and rumors, it's really the only reason people pay to go in the first place and now GW thinks keeping everything a BIG SECRET and treating their customers like nosey children around Christmas time is the way to go. I used to be really interested in the Games Days, but all I've heard about them recently is how boring and disappointing they are. Why GW even bothers is beyond me, make them worthwhile or just stop wasting your time.

I want proof that they're actually working on this stuff, as it is now we're exactly where we were beforehand. DE are still coming guys, for real this time! We're thinking real hard about Chaos Legions, but we dunno yet! Necrons? We don't know, keep your eyes peeled!

Pfft...fething joke.


EDIT: Cue a dozen people to respond to my post with "LEAVE GW ALONE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T GO!"

H.B.M.C. wrote:
When GW does [anything] people bitch.

Fixed that for you.

On a more serious note, if they can be pulled off to look like the Avatar of War Chaos Dwarf, then I'll be happy.

And this year's Games Days were a joke, so I agree with you Sidstyler. I think that the Indy circuit will have a greater boost this year because of that. I've heard rumblings of just one games day next year, and it looks like Chicago is probably it. If I'm traveling to Chicago, it's going to be for Adepticon.

That being said, I've also heard the general problem with this year's Games Day is the huge staff cut backs they had. I'm interested to see how they approach that next year.

Polonius wrote:By the same token, Chaos dwarves allow for an exploration of ancient Mesopotamian cultures, in ways that are unlikely to occur with an actual human race.

This is exactly why I think it's a decent choice as to what army they should bring in. Sure, it's not Cathay, Nippon, or Arabia...but CD do have a great style that they draw from and will be even better if GW draws more from ancient Assyrian culture.

Personally, I would like to see an Arabian themed army...but there are a fair amount of resources out there to do a conversion and play them as brettonians or Empire or something.

I've heard rumblings of just one games day next year, and it looks like Chicago is probably it.

That actually kinda makes me sad, since I'd prefer it if they just put more effort into making Games Days worthwhile instead of actually giving up on it.

Polonius wrote: I really think your confusing concept and execution here. The old Chaos dwarves were pretty silly, but so were the old Wood Elves and the 2nd ed Orks. GW is nothing if not skilled at grim dark. Assuming they get a full new range (and there's no reason not to assume that), Magic using evil dwarves that utilize slaves and shotguns is no more ridiculous than undead chariots or all ogre armies.

You were doing GREAT until you said - all ogre armies.

I'm all for Chaos Dwarves, Red Bulls (see what I did there?), A CAN OF KHORNE!

kaiohx wrote:So rejoicing about Chaos Dwarves ranks right up there with getting the Inquisition redone (yes they said the same thing about them too). Sorry to burst the bubble of the three actual Chaos Dwarf players out there in the world.

Precisely. There's no news, absolutely nothing to get worked up over. Chaos Dwarves are just as much in limbo today as they were last week.

ah, but now people have false hope, before to long, we'll start getting posts of poorly focused camera phone shots or somesuch that they'll swear are the "awesome new chaos dwarfs"

People with false hope eventually turn into people like me.

People like me eventually turn into people like Agamemnon.

So think carefully before getting your hopes up.

Yes, when you get to my age, GW is like an exgirlfriend that you still hang out with.

She still looks great and you enjoy spending time with her, but she is constantly doing things that remind you why the relationship didn't work out.

I'm going to do what I always do and what always results in a lot of verbal abuse: wait and see.

BrookM wrote:I'm going to do what I always do and what always results in a lot of verbal abuse: wait and see.

fething bastard!

The owner of my FLGS told me a rumor: 8th edition Fantasy is closer than we think, and every army book will be released simultaneously, Ravening-Hordes style (rather like what they did in WotR)- and it will include Chaos Dwarfs. Future releases of the army books will not have any new or extra rules, just added artwork & background.


I take this rumor with a grain of salt, but I cannot help but think that maybe, just maybe, this would be a way to deal with the power-creep inherent in the current system.

THAT isn't going to happen.

I mean the "Future releases of the army books will not have any new or extra rules, just added artwork & background" part.

Maybe they'll hit the reset with a "Ravening Hordes" approach, but that other stuff?

No way!

If they do I seriously doubt that we'll see new high hats (maybe on a sorcerer), expect hellcannon style if at all.

Mine all have high hats though, I couldn't resist.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Cool! Let's hope for Wood Dwarves, Space Dwarves and Chaos Space Dwarves next!

Actually it will be blood dwarf, Ultra dwarf, Templar dwarf, Raven Dwarf, etc....

kaiohx wrote:So rejoicing about Chaos Dwarves ranks right up there with getting the Inquisition redone (yes they said the same thing about them too). Sorry to burst the bubble of the three actual Chaos Dwarf players out there in the world.

As both a chaos dwarf and an inquisition player, OWW. Also, we are legion.

High hats will rise again (no pun intended).
Maybe not with hats.
Maybe not with lammasu.
Maybe not at all.

But with beards that curl to our toes.

At least they seem to be keeping the beards.

Forge World 'only' would make me sad.

The miniatures would be too expensive.

The rules would be poorly written (imagine the magic spells alone!) with tons of overcosted units, nonsensical entries and copy paste errors.

And really expensive miniatures.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Cool! Let's hope for Wood Dwarves, Space Dwarves and Chaos Space Dwarves next!

Warseer is ... less good ... than other websites. And much ... less good ... than dakka.

More chaos is always good, especially if they have their act together regarding new minis. All they need really is a plastic Chaos Dwarf kit, a new warmachine, a metal elite infantry unit of some kind and a plastic hobgoblins kit.

H.B.M.C. wrote:People with false hope eventually turn into people like me.

People like me eventually turn into people like Agamemnon.

So think carefully before getting your hopes up.

Yes. We all know what happened to Agamemnon, so be careful!

Oh ha ha ha, how we are laughing.

Not.

Oh stop being such a sourpuss Aggy.

We all know that the original Agamemnon was poisoned. Why else would you be Agamemnon2???

A bit off topic but...

BoLS wrote:
1:00pm...Jervis spoke:
-The Studio loves the idea of Chaos Legion specific codices. It will allow GW to build Legion specific models, but is still a while off.
-Necrons are further along that that, and Mike (???, unclear) has been dropping hints of what we may see in an upcoming Necron codex in various books.

Necrons AFTER CSM legion codices?
i thought they were due for 2010 :(

This would be the single dumbest idea they've ever had.

kaiohx wrote:What they actually said in the seminar was that yes Chaos Dwarves will be updated at some point...along with every other race they have made, for every system they made. It was the standard studio answer to every type of this question that inevitably comes up "Are you planning on updating X army" their answer is ALWAYS "Yes, but I can't tell you when, and right now it isn't in the foreseable future and is probably several years off". Unless its Squats...and lets face it, that joke is really old and stale now.

Yes, this seems to be the case.
What's strange is, they've been feeding the "we'll do it when we feel like it" line for years but suddenly it's being treated as news and in some cases, concrete evidence for Chaos Dwarfs in the next few years.
I remember rumours saying Chaos Dwarfs were on the cards for a 2009 release.

kaiohx wrote:Sorry to burst the bubble of the three actual Chaos Dwarf players out there in the world.

Now that's just being mean, isn't it?

fellblade wrote:The owner of my FLGS told me a rumor: 8th edition Fantasy is closer than we think, and every army book will be released simulatneously, Ravening-Hordes style (rather like what they did in WotR)- and it will include Chaos Dwarfs. Future releases of the army books will not have any new or extra rules, just added artwork & background.


I take this rumor with a grain of salt, but I cannot help but think that maybe, just maybe, this would be a way to deal with the power-creep inherent in the current system.

A grain of salt?
It's not going to happen.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

As much as I hate the current 'Chaos' Codex, I hate the idea of separate Legion Codices even more. Four more Codices to add to the list (and it's four, as they wouldn't do Alpha/Night/Iron/Word in separate books or even a combined book). Adding four more Codices just adds another 2 years to their development cycle (assuming their current pathetic rate of 2 Codices a year).

And if they do one Codex a year for the Traitor Legions, we're looking at 4 years to get the last one, and in that time only 4 other armies will have their Codices redone (two of which will be Blood Angels and Black Templars) meaning 2 non-Marine releases over the space of 4 years.

Awesome.