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I cant imagine doing that either. You have to understand, no matter what it is, there are people who are going to take the easy way out. These people just arnt willing to put in the time to do it (this is where people flame me because "not everyone has enough time"...as if theres a time limit), and if they can simply pay a few dollars to get to the exit, theyll do it.

Honestly, I can think of far better games if Im purely going to play a game.

I do love how people are flaming you though. They dont understand why you cant comprehend doing it.

Night Lords wrote:I cant imagine doing that either. You have to understand, no matter what it is, there are people who are going to take the easy way out. These people just arnt willing to put in the time to do it (this is where people flame me because "not everyone has enough time"...as if theres a time limit), and if they can simply pay a few dollars to get to the exit, theyll do it.

Honestly, I can think of far better games if Im purely going to play a game.

I do love how people are flaming you though. They dont understand why you cant comprehend doing it.

Pot, meet the kettle. Call each other black.

You're scoffing at the viewpoint of one group of people, while accusing them of scoffing at another? Seriously, get real.

Canonness Rory wrote:Half the fun of the hobby is painting your own figures

Your problem is the massive assumptions you're making. Half the fun of the hobby is painting for _you._ Never assume that the metric you apply to yourself will fit others.

I paint slowly. I don't particularly enjoy it. I particularly don't enjoy painting the same thing over and over and over. I hate fielding unpainted, unfinished units. I'm easily distracted, and when I run out of patience, it's easy for another modeling project to catch my attention leaving a paintjob to sit unfinished for a year or two.

Therefore, while I have no problems painting tanks, special characters, and small units, when I had 60 rank and file soritas to paint, I used a painting service. When I inherited my nid army and found myself with a couple hundred gaunts to paint, you can bet I passed the buck on them. That allows me to have the pleasure of fielding a fully painted army in the immediate future, rather than years down the road.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Night Lords wrote:I cant imagine doing that either. You have to understand, no matter what it is, there are people who are going to take the easy way out. These people just arnt willing to put in the time to do it (this is where people flame me because "not everyone has enough time"...as if theres a time limit), and if they can simply pay a few dollars to get to the exit, theyll do it.

Honestly, I can think of far better games if Im purely going to play a game.

I do love how people are flaming you though. They dont understand why you cant comprehend doing it.

Pot, meet the kettle. Call each other black.

You're scoffing at the viewpoint of one group of people, while accusing them of scoffing at another? Seriously, get real.

Uhh, I dont have to agree with it, regardless of what you say. However, people are insulting the OP flat out. Theres a big difference in disagreeing with the issue and calling the original poster an idiot for not understanding their situation.

Night Lords wrote:
Uhh, I dont have to agree with it, regardless of what you say. However, people are insulting the OP flat out. Theres a big difference in disagreeing with the issue and calling the original poster an idiot for not understanding their situation.

They're not calling the OP an idiot. They said ignorant, which in and of itself it NOT an insult.

Ignorant
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

Please pay special attention to the bolded part, as this is the applicable meaning in the context it was used in this thread, which is ironic when people take offense to the word, because they're ignorant to the actual meaning of the word.

Hes asking a question, obviously he is quite ignorant of the issue. Thats not what Im referring to, but thanks.

Point and counter point. Oh for me it is less hobby and more gaming.

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Bookwrack wrote:Your problem is the massive assumptions you're making. Half the fun of the hobby is painting for _you._ Never assume that the metric you apply to yourself will fit others.

That's exactly what I said on the previous page but the OP was so concerned over the fact that I called his viewpoint* ignorant that he ignored it.

*Called his viewpoint ignorant, I didn't call him ignorant. That's important because the former is a conversation, and the latter is an ad hominem. People here still don't seem to get that.

I have used a painting service. I love painting, and spend a lot of time doing it. But, I got over my head - too many unpainted models, and not enough time to ever get to them. So I've used a painting service to do grunt-work, undercoats and the like. That way, I can focus on the details that make them my models, without having to paint 200 of the same uniform.

IN answer to the original question, not everyone is into 40k/Warhammer for the 'hobby' of it. There are tons of people in it who are 'game enthusiasts'. Not that there is anything wrong with that. There isn't. But to the 'hobbyist/gamer', building, modeling, and painting are just as important, if not more so, than actually playing.
Personally, I paint WAY more than I play. I like to paint and I'm pretty good at it. Not everyone has the time, the talent or the motivation to paint an entire army. I do.
I also understand ALL of the reasons behind other people wanting to have thier armies done well. I cannot count the number of times I've laid an army on the table only to see my opponent cringe while looking at his own. No reason for it, IMO, but from what I have been told by them, it can be intimidating. It's actually what got me into doing commisioned armies.
I see nothing wrong with using a painting service (or buying an army that is ready to go), as long as credit is given where it is due. If you have the money and I have the time, I'll be glad to paint for you! LOL!!

Im a terrible painter, i would probaly sit there and paint for ages even though i dont realy enjoy it that much. As much as i try i cant bring a model to table-top standard.

Ive practised, the result 30 terrible painted CSM and painted re-painted and a 10 man termie squad.

Try and paint when your tired and your hands all shakey, see how annoying it is and then your probaly understand the gamer who cant paint his models.

Canonness Rory wrote:
If you want your army to look good, learn to do it yourself, you will feel much prouder of it than when it comes back in the mail.
Hell, i remember the first noise marine I painted up to standards I was satisfied with, I was so happy I danced.

That could be applied to anything in life and still holds no water

If you want a car so badly why dont you go BUILD one.. lol?
Want furniture for your house? better BUILD it!! Despite having no carpentry experience
You know I feel like going to the movies, but paying someone else seems like a cop out.. Im gonna make my OWN movie to watch

Paying other people for services that you dont know how to do has only been around since the beginning of time

I paint all my own models to professional standards but that doesnt mean I give a damn if other people do.. At heart Im a 100% gamer.. I'll play with unpainted models or proxies because I enjoy the game.. I dont feel the need to critize people who dont dress up their barbies like I think they should

People without money use time.. People without time use money. Those are two variables, that is all they are.. Id say people who BUY painting services are a bit smarter because you cant get back time :p

well number of reasons. some already covered;

1- they are not good enough to paint to that level and woudl like nocely done models.
2- high income low time people who love the hobby but cannot get enough time to paint their army.
3- have decent painting skills but just have loads of models to get through so send some to get painted to save time.

I don't get people sometimes, they whine if people come with unpainted armies but they whine if they get hem painted nicely too... its almost as if they think painting your own models to a crap standard to show your own level of painting is a must...

Like you said Duce.

It has been said to death but I know for myself the reason I am looking into as we speak is a box full of half painted rank and file Ork boyz tends to get me down. I dont mind painting the elites, heavies, fast anything but the plain ole Troops. I guess I just know that you need SOOO many of them. Esp Orks that it can be a bit on the overwheleming side.....

Go play a different game, we all beg you too! Promise!

Id use some painting service cause ive got 150 unpainted orks. But thinking of paying for it makes me not wanta so there gonna stay that way until i get through the mob im getting through now .

Jesus Christ, some of you need to calm down. Seriously.

The OP asked a question, because she/he didn't understand. I'm not sure i understand why some of you feel the need to be so aggressive.

There are ways of informing and educating people without being so harsh.

Personally i can't see why people use outside paint companies either. But yes, that's due to me finding the painting half the fun. I am not a very good painter but i'd still rather field something that I collected, paid for, prepper, painted etc. Anything else would feel like someone elses army. But yes that is MY opinion and yes i know people differ.

I really enjoy assembling. Plus, for the most part, assembling requires very little skill (I know some complex stuff exists), although conversions can be tricky.

I enjoy painting stuff, but I am not good at it. I will happily paint a few mobs of boyz myself, but if I had shelled out the cash for a special character model, I would want it to look good. I don't expect, nor require it to be Golden Demon or 'Eavy Metal quality, but I certainly would not look down on the notion of paying for some to be painted by a pro.

For me painting, modeling, and collecting is ALL the fun, even if I am rubbish at it, the only way to get better is to try, otherwise you're paying 200-300 dollars to play a boardgame.