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gardeth wrote:About a year before the Dark Eldar codex....

QFT, Except I'd wager 18 months

Danny Internets wrote:With the rate of their declining market share, I'd expect 6th edition sooner rather than later as an attempt to turn a quick buck without consideration for the long-term success of the franchise. Call it a hunch.

Declining market share?! Are you saying Hordes and Warmachine is stealing customers? I have no proof to counter your assertion except personal experience. Anyone I have ever heard of that plays ANY game outside of Fantasy or 40K drops it because they can't get anyone else to play, at least not for long.

Sales could be falling perhaps in this weak market but not market share. I'd like to see why you say GW is suffering declining market share.

Deuce11:

It may simply be coincidence, but forums like Warseer are increasing and diversifying their Privateer Press fora. Indeed, non-GW games like Flames of War, the Privateer Press group, AT-43, Infinity, Heavy Gear, and so on seem to be expanding if online discussion is any evidence. My brother, for example, once a winner of the Canadian Grand Tournament, has dumped GW for Privateer Press. Some years ago it was pretty much GW or nothing as games went, but I think those days are past.

Hollismason wrote:I could totally see a "5th" advance IE .5 and then moving to sixth.

Yeah, and I still wont have a new codex for my Tau

I think they should just go straight to the 7th edition.

They should bring back a Necromunda element somehow. *shrug*

wuestenfux wrote:Well, there is a cycle of about 4 or 5 years for each edition.
I'd expect the next edition by 2012.

In the meantime, we can hope that most armies get a new codex. But I wouldn't expect this. DE and Orks may not get a new codex in the meantime.

Yes and following their new 5th edition strategy... They will update all imperium codexes first. Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Space Wolves... so why not continue with
Inquisition, Blood Angel, Dark Angel, Black Templars... maybe the strategy is to leave all non-Imperials totally out-of-date and worthless until only the Imperium remains.

No, GW will simply continue to update Codices as they aways do, not all Imperium Codices first.

In fact, GW doesn't even do more than 2 Imperials in a row, and it appears they take pains to prevent Imperials from being released consecutively.

The only Codex that breaks the rules is Space Marines, and even then, they only get a year ahead of their normal 5-year cycle.

Guard (and DA, sort of...) are on a 5-year cycle, same as CSM, Eldar and Nids (and Tau?).

Sisters of Battle (WH) are on a 6+year cycle, while Inquisition (DH) appears it could go even longer.

Wolves & BA appear to be on a 10-year cycle, along with Orks.

BT and Daemons, it's too soon to see where they'll fit in the grand scheme of things.

But go ahead and rant away. Don't let pesky facts get in the way!

I guess we'll see 6th when the sales of the 5th rulebook start falling a fair bit.

I think everybody is missing the main issue... will we be alive to see the next edition? You know, the world ends in 2012...

And people wonder why GW ignores the wisdom of the forums...

Hey!!! That crack doesn't smoke itself, be patient.

I really hope it's five years, in that time they can do 4 'releases' a year - 3 codex + 1 expansion, or 4 codecies, so about 16 codecies, more then we need, and then re start, but hey i'm being an idealist!

I wonder if you can put DE things on the web as vintage toys now... I hope to see a 6th ed in the near future. But 5th Ed is about as perfect as they come gaming wise.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Yes, because supporting the product that brings in more than all others combined is such a stupid idea.

Before the aobr came out and GW started pushing orks almost as much as it does space marines, orks were the worst selling army, now they are second best. What does that say?

Space_hoppo's got an interesting point: 5th edition works pretty well. The amount of griping that went on in 3rd and 4th edition seems to have evaporated somewhat.

5th works well enough when you talk about the core rules themselves.

There is still griping over KPs replacing VPs, and Dawn of War and so on.

Regardless, any change will have more griping yet again.

That's the nature of the wargaming crowd though: they don't call them "grognards" for nothing.

The victory point thing is pretty interesting, especially with the Chaos Daemon Codex where Chaos Spawn are listed as being worth 40 Victory points, despite the Codex being released in 5th edition. Maybe GW is hedging their bets.

Nurglitch wrote:That's the nature of the wargaming crowd though: they don't call them "grognards" for nothing.

The victory point thing is pretty interesting, especially with the Chaos Daemon Codex where Chaos Spawn are listed as being worth 40 Victory points, despite the Codex being released in 5th edition. Maybe GW is hedging their bets.

<nitpick> it was released just before 5th edition officially came out but wouldn't work with the 4th ed rulebook anyway.

And yeah, I got that feeling too.

In 5th, VPs are an option, so they're still back-supported.

I suspect VPs and KPs will go away in 6th for more nuanced and layered Primary / Secondary Objectives, harkening back to the original Rogue Trader.

JohnHwangDD wrote:In 5th, VPs are an option, so they're still back-supported.

I suspect VPs and KPs will go away in 6th for more nuanced and layered Primary / Secondary Objectives, harkening back to the original Rogue Trader.

Consdiering VP's are so increadibly easy to work out, I imagine that 6th will just use a true VP optional system. At the end of the game, add up how many points you have left, subtract that from the total cost and compare. He who is higher wins!

I hope we go back to VP, such a great system that worked for so long and never a fault (well, unless GW feths up when writing)

Sanguine Sympathy wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Yes, because supporting the product that brings in more than all others combined is such a stupid idea.

Before the aobr came out and GW started pushing orks almost as much as it does space marines, orks were the worst selling army, now they are second best. What does that say?

Go back 20 years and orks are actually one of the better selling armies. The new Ork codex and models spurred lots of sales, and created lots of new armies.

I'd expect that Space Wolves will sell 100 times better in October than they did in July, of this year. )

mikhaila wrote:I'd expect that Space Wolves will sell 100 times better in October than they did in July, of this year. )

Because of, say, the new models and codex?

JohnHwangDD wrote:40k6 will be nice, because one imagines that KP will finally go away, with GW add minor objectives to replace KP / VP. Then 40k can be a pure objectives game like it should be.

Let me say this is one of those times where I am 100% in agreement with DD. The sooner everything becomes objective based, the better.


Only sticking points of course are allowing non-Troops to score to be more realistic, making True LOS actually act like TRUE LOS, wound allocation/casualty removal that is done by the owning player, not on model type, bumping defensive weapons to S5 and... reducing the standard cover save to 5+ rather than 4+ - this includes vehicles.

VP needs to replace KP, other than that we just need new codices.

New codices are the real thing GW needs to buckle down and concentrate on. Because it is easier to make a codex good in the current ruleset than it is to make a ruleset best for the codices. THAT is what needs to be done.

Oh no! but GW's sales will go down!

I doubt it, if the game is made completely balanced by releasing all the codices along with the rulebook at once, it attracts all kinds of people because they now know this is a stable game, not something that they will buy into, not knowing whether or not they will be able to really play 5 years down the road due to a lack of a codex.

off-topic:
The thing they definately need to do is make this god damn game cheaper. Everyone agrees they would buy more stuff if it was just cheaper. Doesn't that sound like sales going up? lol

JohnHwangDD wrote:In fact, GW doesn't even do more than 2 Imperials in a row, and it appears they take pains to prevent Imperials from being released consecutively.

You're right, the first three 5th Edition codices being Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Space Wolves is certainly not more than 2 Imperials in a row, and they've clearly taken pains to break up those Imperial Space Marines and Imperial Space Wolves with Imperial Guard. I'm sure there's no way an army called Imperial Guard could be confused with an Imperial army, it's not like it's got Imperial built into it's very name or anything...

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:In fact, GW doesn't even do more than 2 Imperials in a row, and it appears they take pains to prevent Imperials from being released consecutively.

You're right, the first three 5th Edition codices being Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Space Wolves is certainly not more than 2 Imperials in a row, and they've clearly taken pains to break up those Imperial Space Marines and Imperial Space Wolves with Imperial Guard. I'm sure there's no way an army called Imperial Guard could be confused with an Imperial army, it's not like it's got Imperial built into it's very name or anything...

Wait, I mean:

Shut up, JohnHwangDD, you cock!

Firstly, the First 3 5th Edition Codex's were Chaos Daemons, Space Marines and Imperial Guard.

Secondly, Space Wolves are not Imperials. They are Space Wolves

Obviously, Space Wolves is the exception that proves the rule.

Considering that the Eldar, Chaos Space Marine, and Ork codeces are all designed to be 5th edition compatible, I'd say the ratio isn't too bad.

god-feakin-diz-hamlet the 6th is going to be an-figgin-other 50 effing bucks from me god-feakin-diz-hamlet