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H.B.M.C. wrote:AT-43 miniatures are slightly bigger than 40K ones right? Or was that Mongoose's SST models. I can never remember.

Its hard to explain ... its same size as warhammer , but warhammer body proportion is abit off ( they call it stunty i think? )

Aww! That Carnifex just wants a hug!

Ok, looks like they're probably 30mm, as opposed to GW's which are 28mm Heroic, which makes them look 30mm but proportioned wrong.

The base also looks a little bit taller as well. They will come off that base right?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Aww! That Carnifex just wants a hug!

Ok, looks like they're probably 30mm, as opposed to GW's which are 28mm Heroic, which makes them look 30mm but proportioned wrong.

The base also looks a little bit taller as well. They will come off that base right?

Yes everything can come apart with a snip. ( because they are separated when painting and glued together )

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really must question the use in arguing over how 'realistic' sci-fi and fantasy models are.

I don't argue models in fantasy. Fantasy is in the name. I simply prefer stylistic visions of the future to be believable. Tripling the barrel size of canons and putting windshields on tanks is stupid. It's what you do to children's toys so that they have a recognizable silhouette. Even then I can't understand the fascination with windshields on tanks in all these games. Thats not how tanks work. Thats not how they ever worked. Thats not how they will ever work.

Windshields gets your gears grinding now does it? You're ok with the robot men and the walkers and power armour, but windshields on tanks gets to you?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Windshields gets your gears grinding now does it? You're ok with the robot men and the walkers and power armour, but windshields on tanks gets to you?

Yeah, robot men and walkers and power armor are all rule of cool. Windshields on tanks is rule of stupid. I'm a design major at school. Certain things put a bug up my rump. I have the same issues with the battletech designs that can't functionally walk (I even still cringe a little bit whenever I look at 40k dreadnauts). Bad and counter intuitive designs put a bug up my rump. Tanks are supposed to have no weak points for small arms and infantry portable small explosives like grenades. Windshields are exactly that.

What about some sort of handwavium explanation, like Star War's 'transparisteel' (transparent steel) and BTech's endoglass... or was it ferroglass, whatever - it's the same as the Star Wars one with a different name. Essentially imaginary transparent armour.

H.B.M.C. wrote:What about some sort of handwavium explanation, like Star War's 'transparisteel' (transparent steel) and BTech's endoglass... or was it ferroglass, whatever - it's the same as the Star Wars one with a different name. Essentially imaginary transparent armour.

Well first of all, if the glass on the cockpit is good enough at a quarter inch to provide the same armor six inches of ferro fibrous armor does, why don't they just make mechs out of it?

You only have to use handwavium explanations when someone is asking the question. People generally only ask when something is wrong, missing, or stupid. Handwavium works great on things like the force, magic, fusion reactors, laser guns, and other forms of high science/magic that honestly require a good bit of knowledge or consideration to really take issue with in the first place. As in such things are sufficiently "advanced" or "mystical" to simply be accepted without question because most people don't understand what laser blooming is or how anti gravity plates making you "hover" makes no sense at all.

It doesn't work when something is simply illogical for no reason other than poor artistic design, aka windshields on tanks and silencers on gyrojet projectiles or laser weapons (talking about a specific scout sergeant here).

ShumaGorath wrote:I maintain the G.I. Joe proportions. Just look at the large drum in the back of the models barrel. What is that supposed to be? A strengthening band? It looks like one of those things you clip on wires to make them less tangled behind your computer (literally, I think they used one on the models mold. I sell these things at my job and have one next to me).

That's a ferrite ring. It doesn't exist to make wires less tangled, it's to cut down on electrical interference. Perhaps the cannon is some sort of energy weapon.

I think it could make a good Medusa.

ShumaGorath wrote:Well first of all, if the glass on the cockpit is good enough at a quarter inch to provide the same armor six inches of ferro fibrous armor does, why don't they just make mechs out of it?

You're assuming the glass is a quarter inch think. It could be the same thickness or thicker than the rest of the armour. It's also likely more expensive. A wizard made it, don't argue.

Although I never did understand why the whale tank needed to be transparent in star trek IV.

If im not mistaken , that tank with weird barrel belongs to that Sniper girl on the box (maybe its a modified GIANT sniper gun on a tank ) lol ( does sniper gun have such barrels? )

Considering that modern tanks can fire over the horizon I don't really see the point in a sniper tank.

That's a ferrite ring. It doesn't exist to make wires less tangled, it's to cut down on electrical interference. Perhaps the cannon is some sort of energy weapon.

You're right. The binders are slimmer than that.

You're assuming the glass is a quarter inch think. It could be the same thickness or thicker than the rest of the armour. It's also likely more expensive. A wizard made it, don't argue.

But I like too :( .

ShumaGorath- I take it you don't like any of the Apocalypse big units then? IG tanks to big and heavy to be able to actually move (look what happened with the German Maus) and the big walkers human and alien. Then there are the aircraft... Its just a game, if it looks cool do it!
Back to the original subject...
Why did someone have to say there was a Karmen army box as well? Going to have to e-bay more stuff now!
Mick

whitedragon wrote:Anybody know their fluff?

Most of the fluff is supposition ok:

ONI means something like : Onakamura Non-aligned Indutries --> Mercenaries
They seem to have a combination between japanese/voodoo names and so on
They deal with EVERYONE (therians, karmans, humans and cogs)

the piece of information most important I have read, it is in the last information in the Cogs AB, in there it says that there is an "inteligent" virus infecting the humans, most importantly the ONI Corporation which is somehow related to the "zobie" style

ShumaGorath wrote:Considering that modern tanks can fire over the horizon I don't really see the point in a sniper tank.

Theoretically? Yes they could, but their guns, and targeting systems, aren't designed for it.

Also, there's no reason to limit snipers with LOS (other than the limitations of current targeting tech).

I'm not a fan of the huge gun either.

Not getting into it's theoretical workability, it just looks too big for it's turret. And it looks like if it fired forward the tank would tip over backwards.

Nice to see AT expanding though. It's starting to garner some respect in my eyes...

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm not a fan of the huge gun either.

Not getting into it's theoretical workability, it just looks too big for it's turret. And it looks like if it fired forward the tank would tip over backwards.

Nice to see AT expanding though. It's starting to garner some respect in my eyes...

i am not a thread-head but this AFV look fantastic.... Im not looking for realistic though.... in the end they are toy soldiers

Did I say they weren't?

Orkeosaurus wrote:Did I say they weren't?

absolutely not, I was actually trying to support your point about the "theroretically workability" or such....

Oh, sorry. It's far too late in the morning for me...


Does anyone else think the zombies look sort of like combat servitors, or Necromunda pit-slaves?

Might be cool for a Mechanicus army.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Oh, sorry. It's far too late in the morning for me...


Does anyone else think the zombies look sort of like combat servitors, or Necromunda pit-slaves?

Might be cool for a Mechanicus army.

No problem, its just too early for me in the morning....

And yes I think they will doa good Mechanicus army

Orkeosaurus wrote:Might be cool for a Mechanicus army.

That's what I said - guys with big wires = Electro-Priests!!!

@Shuma

You don`t have much experience with german/russian tanks and armoured vehicles? Some of the ONI designs are very close to their designs and generally they are much better in real life than their american counterparts.

Regarding windshields. Scientists are already working on transparent steel and plaststeel. Methinks that a few decades down the road there will be windshields that give you maximum view out of the vehicle and protection.

@warboss
You have been out of the loop for quite some time? If I would make such a grand statement I would make sure my informations are up to date.

Platuan4th wrote:

I got to handle it before it was put into the case, and it didn't come off when I tried to remove it. Keep in mind these are the actual production models. It's not in that picture, but the Karman Army Box is sitting right next to it, with 2 ZZ-Gun Trikes and a Variant King Mammoth with 2 Rocket Launchers instead of the Big Cannon(which it DOES come with so you can swap the two weapon fits).

Now thats important info. I am going to be buying up my Karmans in about a month, factoring in a couple of Army boxes for later will help me adjust my purchase plan.

To anyone at GenCon.

Can we have a run down on the entire Karman box contents. This all looks like on open display, what I would like to see are photos of the rear boxes and different angles of each army. Thankyou.

Orlanth wrote:
Can we have a run down on the entire Karman box contents. This all looks like on open display, what I would like to see are photos of the rear boxes and different angles of each army. Thankyou.

Karmans:

5 Kaptars(with Mechanic)
5 Wendigos(with Medic)
Freezer
Cornelius
2 ZZ-Gun Trikes
King Mammoth(with both forward weapon options)

Wait a sec, Oni as in Oni, owned by bungie?
Now this i may like

Oh, and for those interested, it is NOT pronounced O-N-I, it is in fact pronounced Oni(as in the Japanese myth), at least that's what I gather from hearing Jean Bey, Paolo Parente, and Martin Terrier saying when they say the name.

Plat, is this actually related to bungie then?
All i remember on thier site (ill look in a sec) is that it says: "Bungies, Creators of myth, oni ......" please say bungie have gone into games (i may be slow here and have missed this one for a while)

JD21290 wrote:Plat, is this actually related to bungie then?
All i remember on thier site (ill look in a sec) is that it says: "Bungies, Creators of myth, oni ......" please say bungie have gone into games (i may be slow here and have missed this one for a while)

Sorry, but it's not related to Oni the computer/video game. Oni is a weapons and medical technology development company in the AT-43 universe. They've been mentioned in various army books before and have actually had a unit in the game previous to this(the MedTec unit)

Thanks plat
either way, i think ill take a look at this, got some quite interesting ideas in there.

The cylinder on the gun is a device found on nearly all modern tank guns. It creates a pressure inside the barrel to cause the propellant fumes to exhaust through the muzzle rather than back into the turret.

All 40K guns are too large and all 40K vehicles are too small for their crews. It's part of the heroic look and prevents vehicles from being longer than the range of small arms.

Armoured windscreens are seen on various light armoured vehicles, usually recon type vehicles which aren't expected to stand in the front line of battle.