ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies!

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**JohnHwangDD**

Noble713 wrote:Actually infantry support *is* what most such vehicles are great for. High-calibre low-velocity cannons are good at reducing hard targets such as bunkers and heavy buildings.

I've read through "design your own battalion/brigade" discussions on military forums where members advocated the introduction of 155mm (which has something like 3x as much HE as the 105mm on a Stryker MGS) short-barreled, direct-fire guns, mounted in a turret in the front of a large wheeled vehicle, with room for dismounts in the back. This would give the carried infantry squad organic fire support capable of flattening pretty much any hard point, obstacle, or sniper nest it encounters in an urban environment. Other than maybe having 2 more wheels and the turret farther forward, it would look pretty similar to the AT-43 vehicle.

Yup, when bad guys are firing with small arms in a building, it's nice to simply blow the entire wall out... Conceptually, it's the same as attaching a StuG III to an infantry unit.

If that's the case, people are basically asking for the return of the Sd.Kfz. 234/3 & Sd.Kfz. 234/4, the only difference being closed-top.

**ShumaGorath**

Actually infantry support *is* what most such vehicles are great for. High-calibre low-velocity cannons are good at reducing hard targets such as bunkers and heavy buildings. Combined with their use as direct (rather than indirect) fire systems (don't need as much stabilization and fire control gear) and they are basically the lightest, cheapest way to put a BIG shell full of explosives at a squad leader's fingertips. Also, low-velocity guns tend to be crap vs tank armor: APFSDS rounds depend almost entirely on the speed and density of the projectile.

I've read through "design your own battalion/brigade" discussions on military forums where members advocated the introduction of 155mm (which has something like 3x as much HE as the 105mm on a Stryker MGS) short-barreled, direct-fire guns, mounted in a turret in the front of a large wheeled vehicle, with room for dismounts in the back. This would give the carried infantry squad organic fire support capable of flattening pretty much any hard point, obstacle, or sniper nest it encounters in an urban environment. Other than maybe having 2 more wheels and the turret farther forward, it would look pretty similar to the AT-43 vehicle.

Isn't high armor, high firepower infantry support something we already have tanks for? Do we really need to stick a needlessly large canon to an overweight and underarmored platform with a small box in the back for a few men to sit (uncomfortably considering the size of the supporting mechanisms for the gun) in order to take out a few snipers? There are likely very good reasons no such thing exists any longer, not the least of which is a total lack of need given the existence of superior platforms for similar tasks (a lot of them fly).

But far be it for me to note that military forums love giant guns.

Now for the most agitating part....

the long wait -_-

Well if you're just looking to convert up some chimeras I'm sure there is a scale model of the stryker available somewhere with similar proportions.

**LunaHound**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Well if you're just looking to convert up some chimeras I'm sure there is a scale model of the stryker available somewhere with similar proportions.

Hmm..... this is quite embarrassing but eventually someone have to see it ( since i get offer for my APC every single time someone wants my IG tanks )
i always declined because... k i'll show you what happens when i build a model...

Here it is.... ( atleast im honest and didnt sell them!! ) well this is the reason why my cousin dont have any valkyries because he knows the horror of me putting a model kit together.

Hmmm i should send this to gundamecha ^^; he always make the hardest models

**Miguelsan**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Isn't high armor, high firepower infantry support something we already have tanks for? Do we really need to stick a needlessly large canon to an overweight and underarmored platform with a small box in the back for a few men to sit (uncomfortably considering the size of the supporting mechanisms for the gun) in order to take out a few snipers? There are likely very good reasons no such thing exists any longer, not the least of which is a total lack of need given the existence of superior platforms for similar tasks (a lot of them fly).

For starters because this light vehicle with a big cannon can go where 60+ ton tanks can´t. And the fliers can´t be always available and precise (and no, blasting a whole building when a floor is enough is not precise) .

M.

**Stormtrooper X**

Does anyone know where I can go to find a comprehensive list of all the AT-43 products besides the Rackham website? For some reason it's not letting me see crap there. I've been interested in the game for awhile (the whole not having to paint minis thing wins me over), but I would like to see everything there is before I commit.

**JohnHwangDD**

A M-1 Abrams requires a C-17 to transport - or a boat...

A Stryker MGS is less than half the weight, carries a much bigger gun than what you can mount on a HUMVEE, and is a lot more survivable than said HUMVEE... It's also a bigger gun than what the Stryker APC carries, whcih is the point. Strykers are like Tac Marines, and the MGS is the ML carrier.

**RogueMarket**

Better army than the fail COGS ...lol thjose were ugly.

**malfred**

So far I love the Apes and the Oni.

I can't get behind the Cogs. I couldn't even get in front of them.

**LunaHound**

Cogs looks amazing with the right color choice.

Seeing a repaint almost made me want to buy them.
( still dont like the long limbed alien though )

geez malf your avatar once again looks like everything but a purse! these 2 comes to mind:

**Mick A**

The most important thing I want to know is- do the wheels go round? Can't beat a vehicle with 'play value'!

Mick

**Kilkrazy**

The main advantage of wheeled AFVs over tracked is lower purchase and maintenance costs. The disadvantage is reduced off-road mobility.

Obviously it's possible to build a heavy lorry which can carry 40 tons on multiple axles but they rely on a well built road infrastructure. They could not move off road because the ground pressure is too high.

Modern tanks weigh about 55 tons.

Modern wheeled AFVs generally weigh between 5 and 20 tons depending on size and configuration. That limits the amount of armour they carry.

I would be very interested to hear from the military members of the forum about their experiences of using tracked vs wheeled AFVs.

**Duncan_Idaho**

@Stormtrooper

http://www.at43-forum.de/viewforum.php?f=28

Check the Truppenparade-Thread in veery race-subforum. It´s pretty uo to date.

**skrulnik**

LunaHound wrote:Cogs looks amazing with the right color choice.

Seeing a repaint almost made me want to buy them.
( still dont like the long limbed alien though )

geez malf your avatar once again looks like everything but a purse! these 2 comes to mind:

Okay, so how do I grab that tree spirit thing for my avatar? Those things made that movie for me.

On topic. I am liking these army box deals that AT-43 has. I didn't pick up any Red Bloc first time around and now I'm glad.
Dissappointed on the Karman tho. I already have the troops, a trike, and Cornelius. If they would have put Yeti in there, I could have used it.
The big vehicles for AT-43 are awesome. I have the King Mammoth, and mammoth it is.
The best part of this game for me is, whenever I get around to playing it, everything is done. I don't have a ton of minis for a "dead" game sitting in the closet unpainted.
Like I do for Void, Starship Troopers, Celtos, Confrontation, etc.. I can jsut bust them out, and it looks fine on the table. Certainly better than some people's "Tabletop quality" paint job.

I really like the idea of the ONI. They are recyclers, kinda like Cryx in Warmachine. Tho I would have thought that Rackham would have finished
relaunching AT-43 before introducing yet another army. They jsut brought in the COG.

**LunaHound**

@Stormtrooper

I think Easy AT-43 have a very good list too ( it even have conversions lol )

skrulnik wrote:Okay, so how do I grab that tree spirit thing for my avatar? Those things made that movie for me.

If you want one that moves, have to find one in 120x120

if not, just any would work , dakka resize them . Just go to your profile and upload.

**skrulnik**

Thanks Luna.

I used this to resize w/out breaking it.

http://www.online-image-editor.com/index.cfm

**Platuan4th**

Strahd wrote:
@ Platuan4th
1) Could you tell me what colour the lower halves of the AVFs are? Yellow?
2) Do you know how soon the ONI Unit Boxes will follow the Army Box?
3) I do not play Confrontation, but are the Ram Gargoyles you mentioned the same as the Wamphyri seen months ago? I definitely have a use for those.

1) They are Yellow/Ochre.
2)Same month(October) is when they should be rolling out.
3) Yes, they are.

Mick A wrote:The most important thing I want to know is- do the wheels go round? Can't beat a vehicle with 'play value'!
Mick

No, they don't roll, but they feel like real rubber, but we can't get anything solid from them that they are in fact rubber tires.

Since like 10 people took pictures of it last night, I can't really keep this too secret.

We played a 2v2v2 team battle of Cogs vs. Red Blok vs. UNA(me)/Oni(another booth worker) last night. Oni have weapons that can turn enemy models into zombies and the AFV tank(it's got 6 points on the Frame!) with big gun is a UNIQUE vehicle to the Hero in the box. The weapon is called a Heavy Maser and can fire Direct or Indirect and a certain stat on the gun may look like 17/3. I don't really know anything else, so if you ask anything, you may or may not get a real answer from me.

**Stormtrooper X**

Thank you Duncan and Luna. Very interesting to see how they do their concept models. I wish the COGS looked more like their artwork. Something was lost in translation I think.

**LunaHound**

Stormtrooper X wrote:Thank you Duncan and Luna. Very interesting to see how they do their concept models. I wish the COGS looked more like their artwork. Something was lost in translation I think.

Here is a Cog conversion ( armor plate and weapons swapped around ) http://jeuxdefigs.fr/
Yes someone really should convert one into a Tau super heavy ^o^

Before

After

**Mick A**

'Heavy Maser'? Does this mean we might see Godzilla making an appearance in AT-43...?

Shame about the wheels though

Mick

**Strahd**

Platuan4th wrote:

1) They are Yellow/Ochre.
2)Same month(October) is when they should be rolling out.
3) Yes, they are.

Thanks. I will have my fingers crossed that Ava will see a zombie invasion in time for Halloween.

I do not like the Cogs at all, but that is certainly an improvement. I also saw a repaint in blue that made one of them look decent.
However, as a general principle, orange plastic...

**Orlanth**

Anyone able/willing to answer this:

Orlanth wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

I got to handle it before it was put into the case, and it didn't come off when I tried to remove it. Keep in mind these are the actual production models. It's not in that picture, but the Karman Army Box is sitting right next to it, with 2 ZZ-Gun Trikes and a Variant King Mammoth with 2 Rocket Launchers instead of the Big Cannon(which it DOES come with so you can swap the two weapon fits).

Now thats important info. I am going to be buying up my Karmans in about a month, factoring in a couple of Army boxes for later will help me adjust my purchase plan.

To anyone at GenCon.

Can we have a run down on the entire Karman box contents. This all looks like on open display, what I would like to see are photos of the rear boxes and different angles of each army. Thankyou.

**Dal'yth Dude**

Strahd wrote:

I do not like the Cogs at all, but that is certainly an improvement. I also saw a repaint in blue that made one of them look decent.
However, as a general principle, orange plastic...

Agreed. The Black and Decker look really is painful. I don't mind the red used on the sharp shooters, but I've gone to khaki for my repaints. I've got my warmongers and one of the prowlers basecoated. I'll be doing two hunters next. Still not sure what I'll do with the Vandal. The skirt on that thing is so large repainting it will be a challenge unless I hack it up like the conversion above.

**chris_valera**

LunaHound wrote:
Stormtrooper X wrote:Thank you Duncan and Luna. Very interesting to see how they do their concept models. I wish the COGS looked more like their artwork. Something was lost in translation I think.

Here is a Cog conversion ( armor plate and weapons swapped around ) http://jeuxdefigs.fr/
Yes someone really should convert one into a Tau super heavy ^o^

Before After

Woah... what is this and how do I get my hands on one?

The upcoming stuff looks great too. More fodder for the ad-mech, dark mechanicus, chaos mutants...

Pre-painted or not, if this is the quality of the AT stuff, I might have to get on board

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

**chaplaingrabthar**

Yeah, I could see a lot of that Cog stuff turning up as wrecks/scenery/super suits for the Tau