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Daemons are considered broken in Fantasy because a lot of units are underpriced and they're better at everything than anyone else.

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background

AHAHAHAHA the only person that could make Necron background worse is C.S. "multilasers" Goto. And just when I thought they were moving in a good direction from the background in the 5e rule book.

The Unending wrote:Ever hear about how DoC is kicking everyone to the curb in fantasy and everyone is claiming it to be the most overpowered book ever. Yeah.

The weird thing is that you say that like it's a good thing:

"So it's undeprowered? Yeah? Have you seen this! It's amazingly overpowered! So HA!"

How is the fact that he wrote a stupidly overpowered Codex as well supposed to put any fears aside? If anything, that's worse, the fact that he varies so wildly and isn't consistent.

That wikipedia page on Goto was hilarious. Thank you.

Really! I have been thinking of starting a Fantasy army but haven't decided. My bday is like three weeks away. SO should I really consider the DoC army written by this guy?

Playing Daemons will make you lose friends.

Cheese Elemental wrote:That wikipedia page on Goto was hilarious. Thank you.

I'm amazed it's still up. Saw it ages ago and laughed a lot, but I thought they took it down.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Unending wrote:Ever hear about how DoC is kicking everyone to the curb in fantasy and everyone is claiming it to be the most overpowered book ever. Yeah.

The weird thing is that you say that like it's a good thing:

"So it's undeprowered? Yeah? Have you seen this! It's amazingly overpowered! So HA!"

How is the fact that he wrote a stupidly overpowered Codex as well supposed to put any fears aside? If anything, that's worse, the fact that he varies so wildly and isn't consistent.

No I didn't say its like its a good thing I said it like we are playing russian roulette with a loaded gun and half the bullets are hollowpoints and the others are armour piercing. I'm still gonna buy the codex though just because I like necrons and I want to see how badly they actually screwed it up.

SO basically, after he writes this codex i will become an actual useless necron pariah and no one will want to play with me? Will Multi-Gauss lazers made from adamantite be that overpowered?

You'll lose gauss, but you'll still have your multilasers. The Monolith now has options to take multilasers, and starts with three in each corner with a large multilaser on top. All Pariahs can exchange their warscythes for multilasers, and Tomb Spyders can produce more multilasers in case you run out.

I need a 'Yo Dawg' for this.

RustyKnight wrote:What the devil is up with that wikipedia page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto) Why is it filled with "multi laser)?

Because Wikipedia is only as good as the last person who edited the page.

I hopeso. I want there to be a rule where you have to scream 'MULTI-LAZORS' before shooting anything, and doing so allows re-rolls.

And I want all of you to repeat that in lots of threads so that Taco Bell reports it as fact in a week's time.

RustyKnight wrote:What the devil is up with that wikipedia page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto) Why is it filled with "multi laser)?

My favorite part is the 2nd sentence "He also has two children, Multi and Laser."
I couldn't stop laughing...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hopeso. I want there to be a rule where you have to scream 'MULTI-LAZORS' before shooting anything, and doing so allows re-rolls.

And I want all of you to repeat that in lots of threads so that Taco Bell reports it as fact in a week's time.

You get rending if you scream "MULTILAZORS!!!" with a mouthful of dice.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

I need a 'Yo Dawg' for this.

I second that motion but until then goto can suck a multi-laser

Bunker wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hopeso. I want there to be a rule where you have to scream 'MULTI-LAZORS' before shooting anything, and doing so allows re-rolls.

And I want all of you to repeat that in lots of threads so that Taco Bell reports it as fact in a week's time.

You get rending if you scream "MULTILAZORS!!!" with a mouthful of dice.

Made me piss myself on that one.

I don't play WHFB currently, but I do sit back and talk about it quite a bit with the fantasy group at my FLGS. Demons of Chaos is game breakingly bad. In 40k there are ways to deal with them. They tend to be a one trick pony. You win big or you lose big. In Fantasy however, they are capable of destroying entire armies in one turn of magic. Generating over 60 magic dice a turn. Bloodletters are like WS 5 S5 magic weapons and only 12pts or something. They are extremely broken. Orcs and Gobbos on the other hand is just silly. Almost your entire army is capable of doing nothing but fighting AND killing itself. Every unit has to roll an Animosity test at the begining of every turn to see if they start fighting themselves. Maybe not the worst army in Fantasy, but they're bad.

Never read any of Goto's stuff, so I can't really comment there.

Could someone tell me just HOW bad his Eldar Prophecy book is?

I want to read something Eldar related but I don't want to end up stabbing myself in the eye due to a sudden case of "terribad" :(

Just stay away from any work bearing his name. Period.

Don't know about Eldar Prophecy, but the Dawn of War Omnibus has a fair amount of Eldar in it... getting the crap kicked out of them at every turn by the Blood Ravens. It's pretty horrible. Goto makes a big dramatic scene of the Avatar being summoned after spending most of the book developing the character who sacrifices himself to become the Avatar... Then Gabriel and Isador run up and kill it ignominiously, and practically without a fight before it even does anything.
Honestly I could go on and on about how horrible the book is... From what I hear the rest of his books are nothing short of irritating at the best of times. The guy clearly has absolutely no familiarity with what he's writing about. It's like a jew trying to teach a christian about christianity...

It's terrible.

All the Dark Reapers use Multilasers, Fire Dragons use multilasers that melt stuff, Banshees hit people over the head with multilasers, Guardians mount multilasers on their weapon platforms, and Fire Prisms have a single massive multilaser capable of causing nerdrage at ranges of up to 1.4 kilometres.

C.S. Multi-Lazor has a read hard-on for Eldar. In the second DoW book he has Rangers targeting specific internal organs with each shot they fire at the Marines.

He LUUUUUUUUUUVVVVVVVVVZZZZZZZZ Eldar, luvz them with all his Multi-Lazors.

Archonate wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:What the devil is up with that wikipedia page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassern_S._Goto) Why is it filled with "multi laser)?

My favorite part is the 2nd sentence "He also has two children, Multi and Laser."
I couldn't stop laughing...

I just saw that a couple minutes ago, almost ended up on the floor.

Would this be a good time to buy a 20k point necron army as people throw them away?
Could be some use in 12th edition

The guy is a fething slow, i have no hope for the metal skellies :(

ph34r wrote:

.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background

AHAHAHAHA the only person that could make Necron background worse is C.S. "multilasers" Goto. And just when I thought they were moving in a good direction from the background in the 5e rule book.

I don't know, they could have gotten Ben Counter.

No were near the same league. Ben has had some hit or miss and actually has a following with a few of his series. Goto is bad. Only writer worse is the one who wrote Descent of Angels. (don't recall his name as I have had it mind wiped)

Gav Thorpe???

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bunker wrote:Ever read the O&G army book? Its a joke.

Could be worse. It could be the only man on this earth who could actually leave the Necrons with less options than they currently have - Robin 'Arbitrary' Cruddance. His friends call him 'Arby'.

I want the new Necrons to come out so we can get plastic Heavy Destroyers. My Necron army is basically complete (I only want to get 4 more Destoryers and 4 more HDs), but I don't fancy more metal/plastic Hybrids. Another new tank could be cool as well.

Hey lets not forget about Gav "The Nerfbat" Thorpe.




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jspyd3rx wrote:SO basically, after he writes this codex i will become an actual useless necron pariah and no one will want to play with me? Will Multi-Gauss lazers made from adamantite be that overpowered?

LMAO! So funny because pariahs *are* useless.

For the record, I like Gav Thorpe and Ben Counter, and C.S. Goto is doing FLUFF, not RULES. That means that the fluff is going to have monoliths with multilasers, ruleswise it'll prolly be the same, although we might end up having to roll animosity tests on our necrons....

Stormtrooper X wrote:I don't play WHFB currently, but I do sit back and talk about it quite a bit with the fantasy group at my FLGS. Demons of Chaos is game breakingly bad. In 40k there are ways to deal with them. They tend to be a one trick pony. You win big or you lose big. In Fantasy however, they are capable of destroying entire armies in one turn of magic. Generating over 60 magic dice a turn. Bloodletters are like WS 5 S5 magic weapons and only 12pts or something. They are extremely broken. Orcs and Gobbos on the other hand is just silly. Almost your entire army is capable of doing nothing but fighting AND killing itself. Every unit has to roll an Animosity test at the begining of every turn to see if they start fighting themselves. Maybe not the worst army in Fantasy, but they're bad.

O&G are definitely the most self-destructive army in WFB. In 40k this is ok because the stuff that kills your own army gives you bonuses or sweet guns. I.e. the shock attack gun, stormboyz getting an addition D6" of movement (Even if you roll a 1! *Gasp*), or bomb squigs (sooo cute, yet sooo deadly).

Anyways, in WFB the penalties of animosity or not offset by useful bonuses. If fact, losing control of a unit because you rolled a 1 or 6 is probably the worse thing you can do to a fantasy player. On a 1 they can't charge, cast spells, or shoot. On a 6 they move forward, even if you don't want them to. YAY! What could be more fun than that? What other WFB army screws it's own player like that? Oh, right, none.


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chaos0xomega wrote:For the record, I like Gav Thorpe and Ben Counter, and C.S. Goto is doing FLUFF, not RULES. That means that the fluff is going to have monoliths with multilasers, ruleswise it'll prolly be the same, although we might end up having to roll animosity tests on our necrons....

Hey on a 1 your necrons' OS crashes and they have to spend a turn rebooting. I like it.