Oh, Happy Day for Necrons' Codex

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**BeefyG**

I'm not sure people will be happy with necrons running in "Safe" mode...i.e. All multilazors get re-rolls but no one is allowed to move anywhere.

**Somnicide**

yay internetz!!11!! bitching about something without even seeing it. I should go to dakka instead of staying here at warseer... oh wait...

**H.B.M.C.**

We're bitching about C.S. Multi-Lazor!!! It's fun!!!!!!!

MULTI-LAZOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**chaplaingrabthar**

Where the hell does this multi-laser meme come from?

**Neconilis**

Never read any of Goto's books have you? If so, I envy you sir, I envy you.

**Sha1emade**

I read a Goto book once...Last month my eyes finally stopped bleeding. This was only due to my brain being distracted from the pain. Who knew taking a bath in battery acid could be so soothing. If you think I am trying to be funny....You have never read a Goto book.

**Sidstyler**

Thankfully I was warned of Goto by the internets and have not had to suffer as you have.

**JohnHwangDD**

ph34r wrote:
.. and C.S. Goto was hired to rewrite the background

AHAHAHAHA the only person that could make Necron background worse is C.S. "multilasers" Goto. And just when I thought they were moving in a good direction from the background in the 5e rule book.

So we've got a Codex writer making rules from totally random Fluff?

This should be fun...

Like a box of chocolates.

Perhaps when GW said "everything you've been told is a lie", they meant how Necrons were going to be absolutely nothing like what we've known them to be?

**BrookM**

Ha, I thought they kicked Goto out after his last book that had copious amounts of SPACE ELVES in them. Not Eldar, but Space Elves. Elves in space. Has anybody actually read his Eldar novel? It appears to be so bad that even the Red Shirts - massive company tools who praise everything - despise Goto with a passion. BL thought likewise seeing as they now got Gav "Some hate me, some like me" Thorpe to write a new Eldar novel with 100% less made-up bs and Space Elves.

**headrattle**

Ok, so I really really wanted to start a Necron Army, but now... I still want to, but I think it might be a mistake, but I still want to. I have that feeling when I sleep with my ex-wife. Maybe it is me. I wasn't tempted to read any of Goto's books however, I might be now. (This might have something to do with my tendancy to make bad decisions.)

Still, what exactly makes him so "Multilazor!?" It is just that he puts Multilasers on everything even if they don't normally have one? Don't multilasers kinda suck?

Also, if he is just doing the fluff, that isn't so bad. I am hoping that they make the Necrons better if he is just doing the fluff and not the actual rules portion of the codex.

**BrookM**

The problem with Goto doing the fluff is that he makes it up as he goes, he doesn't bother to check what has been established and what's what.

**reds8n**

chaos0xomega wrote: and C.S. Goto is doing FLUFF,

I don't actually think this is true.

I believe he is supposedly doing another BL book or two in the future, perhaps one that might even feature Necrons perhaps given the vague attempts at synchronicity GW and BL have dabbled in of late maybe ?

Mr. Ward is writing the codex, and has been for a while now. Last I heard there was still some debate over the inclusion of specific necron only rules ( ala WBB stylee) or a return to the previous streamlining.

He also wrote the marine codex which, so far as I can tell and have seen, if pretty well balanced and fair. Be even better if they did a fuller FAQ but ...aahhh, let's not do this rant again.

**His Master's Voice**

reds8n wrote:[He also wrote the marine codex which, so far as I can tell and have seen, if pretty well balanced and fair. Be even better if they did a fuller FAQ but ...aahhh, let's not do this rant again.

Finally someone who doesn't enjoy the aroma of his own whine. Does anyone have a real problem with the recent Space Marine codex? Granted, I heard it was done under the watchful eye of Jervis and Kelly but even then, it turned our pretty good. Who knows, maybe M.Ward is actually better at writing 40K rules...

And no, S.C. Goto will not write the Cron background. Anyone who took that comment as a fact should check his sarcasm detector.

**Cheese Elemental**

headrattle wrote:
Still, what exactly makes him so "Multilazor!?" It is just that he puts Multilasers on everything even if they don't normally have one? Don't multilasers kinda suck?

Also, if he is just doing the fluff, that isn't so bad. I am hoping that they make the Necrons better if he is just doing the fluff and not the actual rules portion of the codex.

Oh God.

C.S. Goto loves his multilasers. For some reason, in his books, Marines use multilasers instead of bolters. Why? They're meant to go on vehicles and turrets! He also seems to think that Terminators are very forgetful if they have a cyclone missile launcher, and only remember it when they're about to get ripped apart by a barbed strangler instead of when said weapon was aimed at them in the first place. He also tried to make Shining Spears cool without giving them jetbikes.

If he writes the fluff for Necrons, I guarantee you that he will once again ignore all established canon to include more multilasers and hot Necron dickings.

And don't bash multilasers. My sentinels love them.

**reds8n**

In his slight defense the point of the marines using those weapons was supposed to represent the fact that they'd used up all their own ammo and were being forced to use whatever equipment they could find to hand.

Or so he claimed in the interviews he gave on the BL site.

Not a fan of most of his work, there's some nice and interesting ideas in most of his books, I just think he has problems with the execution of them often and doesn't quite think through the implications of what he is trying to say.

What i do find odd is the whiny fanboys who've never read any of hs stuff yet still feel compelled to join in the hate. Most bizarre.

**H.B.M.C.**

The only book (in recent memory) I can think of that was worse than Dawn of War was the novelization of Episode 2: Attack of the Clones by R.A. Salvatore.

**reds8n**

I keep picking it up to try and carry on..

..but then my mind snaps under the pressure and.... and....

...WHERE IS GOD NOW EH ?

**12thRonin**

Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

**number9dream**

12thRonin wrote:Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

Please tell me you don't mean an eldar falcon?

We are talking about a bird here right? Please?

**Ixquic**

Don't forget the ridiculous miscast tables for Orcs where if you roll a 1-4 on 2D6 your wizard is flat out dead. Pretty much everything on there is terrible and their magic lore is mediocre. The entire orc book would be pretty average but then you throw in the animosity rules and there's just no positive payoff for it. There are little things thrown in like the +1 dispel dice if there's a ton orcs (but no goblin bonuses here) in combat which no one ever remembers or immune to psychology when you move uncontrollably forward (this requires you opponent to put something super close right in front of your units like a moron) but those are are pretty insignificant. It's just a bad book. We all know Demons are super broke but it just highlights that he has no idea what balance is.

People say that he wrote Space Marines and that turned out ok, but really Space Marines are GW's main products. There's absolutely no way there wasn't three levels of management looking over his shoulder to make sure he didn't feth it up. It's one thing when you're doing "the goofy fantasy army" or "the new army we are rushing out to do a combined release with 40k" but you can be sure they aren't going to let him go crazy with their most lucrative seller. I'm sure there was all kinds of stupid stuff in that book that had to be reined back over the course of development. "Hey space marines are strong they should all be like walkers and be able to treat heavy weapons like assault!!!" "No Matt..."

Maybe he's better at 40k development or something but really I hope he never touches Fantasy again.

**gorgon**

Mat Ward's work has clearly been up and down, but I'm willing to give him a chance with Necrons. Codex: SM really isn't bad. I'm a little miffed that the army seems much more geared to shooting than assaults. But for all I know, they're leaving the "design room" there for SW, BA, etc. to feature CC more.

And I know people like to bash individual designers, but sometimes things are a team fail. I mean, apparently no one in the studio looked at DoC and said, "Mat...um..." So as far as I'm concerned, the whole organization is to blame for that one.

I know this...we don't need a gunshy designer on Necrons. IMO, we need someone willing to break some eggs to get that army in a good place.

**Kirasu**

Well then SM is a bad example of not being gunshy.. Every SM book is the same old thing

There is a reason why SMs are a bottom tier army if you dont use vulkan.. and thats because GW is unwilling to do anything to make them more dynamic and up to speed with the newest armies

the SM book was an awesome example of status quo.. as was the 4th ed book and the 3rd ed book.. The only reason the 4th ed book was any good was because of assault cannon rules and tank hunter traits

yay more tactical squads and devastator squads that totally suck

**gorgon**

That's partially because SM have more legacy issues in tow than any other army, too. And when I recently sat down with the codex to figure out what from my old SM would translate well, etc. into the current edition, I was surprised how many changes I wanted to make. Although that might be due more to the quirks and demands of 5th edition than anything else.

Again, not saying Mat is or isn't the right guy for the job. I think Phil K. would have been a *perfect* fit for what's needed. But I'm not gonna slag the guy until I see what he comes up with. Phil K. is the best designer they have now, but even he had a bit of a clunker (Ogre Kingdoms) early in his career. Mat might grow and improve.

**Kirasu**

Although i will admit.. If necrons get some robotic sharks with freaking multi-lasers on their heads..

I would buy it

**kirsanth**

Kirasu wrote:Although i will admit.. If necrons get some robotic sharks with freaking multi-lasers on their heads..

I would buy it

I do not play Necrons, but I would probably buy those too.

**ShumaGorath**

Could be worse. It could be the only man on this earth who could actually leave the Necrons with less options than they currently have - Robin 'Arbitrary' Cruddance. His friends call him 'Arby'.

I don't think we need 14 monolith variants. Or the vendetta with feel no pain instead of scout. They probably took him off the project early.

**Ketara**

Monolith-200 points
Armament-Giant Cyclone Missile Launcher crystal, 4 multilasers.

Special Rules:-The Giant Cyclone Missile Launcher can only be fired when all multilasers have been destroyed.

**Linkdead**

Wait back the boat up, Multilasers is writing the fluff portion of the new Necron dex?

**ShumaGorath**

I thought CS goto has recently been released from GW servitude.

**Sidstyler**

number9dream wrote:
12thRonin wrote:Don't forget the falcons being brought down by kids with ROCKS.

Please tell me you don't mean an eldar falcon?

We are talking about a bird here right? Please?

I think maybe he thought he was writing about a bird...