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Dark Eldar and the previous Chaos Codex!

In terms of reading, pretty much everything was better in 3rd/4th. I hate the current DA/SM codex where Im reading the army list details, and it has some special rule or equipment that I then have to flip back to the entry in the fluff section. Same for the wargear section. Oh you want to know what the teleport homer does? yea F you go back to page 27.

I found the eye of terror book enjoyable, as well as the index astartes books where fun.

As far as ease for reading ect.

I would have to say the Tau codex. everything is right there in the unit entry. No double unit entries, one for fluff/special rules and one for points/wargear.

The wargear section is all pretty easy to understand as well.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I find it strange that you say Chaos Legions were an abomination, then go on to say Craftworlds were great when they were more or less the same thing.

While at the same time complaining that his Dogs of War lost their book, whilst telling all the LatD players to use 'Counts As'.

My theory is that in the town DD is from, consistency is actually a crime, punishable by castration. And if they find you guilty of using any sort of logic, you will be put to death. It's the only way to explain his illogical and inconsistent behaviour.

Nah, I think he just owes a lot of victories to ol'codex craftworld and is willing to give it the props it earned.

I'll go in for the current Tyranid book as best.

^ We have a winnah!

It was kinda stupid how much I won under Craftworlds.

I love the new guard a lot , But I had blast with there last book as well , nothing like the look on my opponents face when I had 200 guard deep strike on the table which contained about 30 plasma guns and 20 melta oh and six demo charges .

I am so torn about the new ork codex. 90% of it is an incredible improvement over the old codex. There are some critical flaws with some units, but I can't help but actually really want to try each unit.
The simple fact is Orks can be VERY good in the hands of a skilled player. It has a few glaring flaws that will leave it hopeless against certain armies though. The skill is in maximizing their strengths while overcome the weakness.

Besides the CSM book I like the old Space Wolf book and the old Blood Angels book. Great originality to get away from Smurfs.

Other than that, EoT.

JohnHwangDD wrote:^ We have a winnah!

It was kinda stupid how much I won under Craftworlds.

So you hated the Chaos Legions because you couldn't win with them when everyone else could? That's a pretty weak excuse.

Cheese Elemental wrote:So you hated the Chaos Legions because you couldn't win with them when everyone else could? That's a pretty weak excuse.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying Cheese.

As for what he is saying, well that's anyone's guess. Anyone speak "DD"?

No, I simply didn't play Chaos Legions at all.

I played Eldar. I beat Chaos Legions.

I'm sure, had I wanted to play Chaos Legions, I'd have done just fine.

But that doesn't change the fact that my biggest winning streak was with the Craftworld Codex.

So, for pure ass-kicking, I give the nod to Codex: Craftworlds.

You said you played Iron Warriors. Want me to dig up the thread for you?

He also said that LatD hadn't lost their list and that Codex: Guard were their list and that we should all use 'counts as' all the while bitching that his precious Dogs of War Army Book wasn't getting an update. Then he changed his tune to say LatD should have a list and shouldn't've lost theirs.

He's also interpreted "best codex" to mean "one I won the most with", which so far no one else in this thread has managed to do yet. I find that quite interesting, especially given he loves a Codex full of variant lists and options (yet the current Chaos Codex has more options and more flexibility despite losing all its sub-lists and army options according to him... gah... it's enough to make your fething brain melt).

Don't argue with a wall Cheese, especially a wall that changes its colours every 5 seconds.

Cheese Elemental wrote:You said you played Iron Warriors. Want me to dig up the thread for you?

No, I said I tried playing my previous-edition Fallen Angels using Iron Warriors rules as the best match for a 3.0 MoCU Veteran/Havoc army.

I don't see a single game as playing Legions. Expecially if the army goes up on the shelf and then on the block as a result.

I did a crapload more playing and winning under Eldar Craftworlds. I also did a a lot more playing as Drop Guard as my primary army for 4th. And with a whole 2 consecutive games in under the new Eldar Codex for 5th, I've now exceeded the playing and interest that Chaos Legions ever held.

So from a factual POV, Craftworlds was better for me than Legions ever was.

The new Space Marine Codex is excellent because it gives you a base that you can apply to so many different play styles with or without the chapter tactics of the special characters. Sicarius is ridiculously good!!

But it didn't envelope and overrun the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Black Templars, Space Wolves, etc by trying to include them...Perfect!!

Eldar lost their craftworlds...poor frail xenos with Str 3, you'll never wound us!!

Codex Angels of Death, Codex Armegeddon?, and Chaos 3.5. For Fluff ROC books.

Come one, come all, and witness with your own two eyes a form of 'logic' that comes not from our world, but from a different world, a world of inconsistencies:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I did a crapload more playing and winning under Eldar Craftworlds. I also did a a lot more playing as Drop Guard as my primary army for 4th. And with a whole 2 consecutive games in under the new Eldar Codex for 5th, I've now exceeded the playing and interest that Chaos Legions ever held.

Translation:

I played Craftworld therefore Legions were bad, or, to break it down further - Opinion stated as fact.

*wipes tear*

Never change Jonny. This place just wouldn't be the same.

I am not a big fan of the Space Marine Codex as it just says " Okay here is some stuff that changes when you take this dude".

Imperial Guard on the other hand is a excellent book all around.

Hollismason wrote:I am not a big fan of the Space Marine Codex as it just says " Okay here is some stuff that changes when you take this dude".

If it weren't linked to mandatory non-special Special Characters, would you have a different opinion?

Ketara wrote:I still think Dark Eldar is the best, simply because after umpteen million years of no updates, it's still a competitive army. If that's not the mark of a well written codex, I don't know what is.

I'll admit, I love the competitiveness of the DE codex, insofar as that goes it has really stood the test of time. However, I'm not sure I can in good conscience support a codex with about four pages of actual fluff in it. I think a good codex should scratch my itch for awesome army lists as well as providing some richer depth into the race I will soon be crushing my foes with.

I may have to second that vote for Codex: Eye of Terror, that was a pretty sweet codex all around. Pretty much all the old old stuff was great too, but I'll admit though I loved all the old crazy rules I do love how much more streamlined the rules have become just insomuch as I think my opponents and I less often find ourselves saying "oh wait, didn't my unit have the ability to..." about two rounds too late.

My thoughts,
Thor.

+1 for 3.5 CSM (the good one).

4e marines, 3.5e CSM were both good.

Until IG - the current best, I would have voted CSM (the current one yes, 4th). I had the old one, and the stupid restrictions of "this cant go with that" were just annoying.

Its apparently an unpopular view to like the current codex, but Ive never been popular.

darkkt wrote:... the stupid restrictions of "this cant go with that" were just annoying.

Yes, having to choose between chocolate ice cream, strawberry ice cream, honeycomb ice cream and rocky road was so difficult, especially as you weren't allowed to take all four at the same time. Good thing Ice Cream Workshop came along, took away all those flavours and just gave us a single one - vanilla - to choose from. No more silly restrictions, because there's no actual choice to be made!!!!!!!!!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

darkkt wrote:... the stupid restrictions of "this cant go with that" were just annoying.

Yes, having to choose between chocolate ice cream, strawberry ice cream, honeycomb ice cream and rocky road was so difficult, especially as you weren't allowed to take all four at the same time. Good thing Ice Cream Workshop came along, took away all those flavours and just gave us a single one - vanilla - to choose from. No more silly restrictions, because there's no actual choice to be made!!!!!!!!!!!

As Peter Griffin said "Well sir, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. "

H.B.M.C. wrote:

darkkt wrote:... the stupid restrictions of "this cant go with that" were just annoying.

Yes, having to choose between chocolate ice cream, strawberry ice cream, honeycomb ice cream and rocky road was so difficult, especially as you weren't allowed to take all four at the same time. Good thing Ice Cream Workshop came along, took away all those flavours and just gave us a single one - vanilla - to choose from. No more silly restrictions, because there's no actual choice to be made!!!!!!!!!!!

QFT. RIP chaos 3.5.

3.5 Chaos.

What's the word I'm looking for again... ah yes, 'vindication'.

I want to be original and say something unexpected... but I cannot deny that 3.5 Chaos was the best Codex I have seen (and I have seen all bar a couple of the second edition ones). There was only one problem with it. With so many interesting ways to build an army, you would need to collect a lot of different models to do them all, so you would need to spend a lot of money. The advantage of the new book is that there are no interesting ways to build the army, so I can spend my money elsewhere. Wait a minute, you do not just suppose --- just maybe --- that Games Workshop messed up here a little?

Still, I would gladly take Codex: The Lost and the Damned over a fixed Codex: Chaos Space Marines... unless they did the right thing and made Codex: Chaos, which combined Chaos Space Marines, Daemons, Traitor Guard, Beastmen/Mutants and somehow did not suck. *drools*