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wuestenfux wrote:

jamessearle0 wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

jamessearle0 wrote:+1 for dark eldar, there like a titan made of tissue paper

Well spoken. I second this.

cheers, er just while im on the theme of de can you bring a talos through a webway??

Yes, you can.
Bring three of them through the WWP.

great stuff ive been usein it like that for years just seems cheap haha XD

Ork Codex. Hands down. It has great fluff, has many powerful army built, can still be used in fun playing and has only one "overpowered" unit (I think you all already know about that.
And on top of it, it was written by Phil Kelly

Yeah, Phil Kelly is quite good writing codices.
I'd put JJ at the other side. He should concentrate on his column that nobody is reading.

Phil Kelly is not quite good at writing them.
He is uber.
The eldar Codex, Tyranid Codex (which was strong in 4th edition too), Warriors of Chaos and 40k Orks.
I think we should make an adress which says that Jervis Johnson shouldn't ever write Codexes or columns.

Well, JJ should write columns but not more.
He cannot do something wrong writing articles for WD.

Phil Kelly is good at writing overpowered codices, I'll give him that.

orks orks orks
tururururututun orkz codex rulez

wuestenfux wrote:Well, JJ should write columns but not more.
He cannot do something wrong writing articles for WD.

Umm JJ co-wrote the DE codex. (with the help of Gavin Thorpe) And thats already been mentioned as one of the better codexi/codexe/codi.

Anyway my vote goes to the Space wolf codex. It has the best fluff and is packed with character.

JJ wrote the new Dark Angels codex without any inspiration.
However, it appears that combat squads go back to JJ since the DA codex stated them first.

yani wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, JJ should write columns but not more.
He cannot do something wrong writing articles for WD.

Umm JJ co-wrote the DE codex. (with the help of Gavin Thorpe) And thats already been mentioned as one of the better codexi/codexe/codi.

Anyway my vote goes to the Space wolf codex. It has the best fluff and is packed with character.

The DE codex is only favored for still being able to build competitive army lists... I don't think anybody would step up to rave about the copious amounts of interesting Jervisified fluff...

Archonate wrote:

yani wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, JJ should write columns but not more.
He cannot do something wrong writing articles for WD.

Umm JJ co-wrote the DE codex. (with the help of Gavin Thorpe) And thats already been mentioned as one of the better codexi/codexe/codi.

Anyway my vote goes to the Space wolf codex. It has the best fluff and is packed with character.

The DE codex is only favored for still being able to build competitive army lists... I don't think anybody would step up to rave about the copious amounts of interesting Jervisified fluff...

The codex itself is rather thin and the fluff is a bit stupid.
Nobody knows where Camorragh is?

Archonate wrote:... interesting Jervisified fluff...

I am so glad to see this word entering common language here.

Yeah, sounds like a word that should be used in the 40k universe, especially for rants.

Jervis  [Jer-viss] Jer⋅vised, Jer⋅vis⋅i⋅fy, Jer⋅vis⋅i⋅fied, Jer⋅vis⋅i⋅fi⋅ca⋅tion
–verb
1. to remove options inherent in a list.
2. to reduce existing sub-lists into a single list.
3. To triple (or more) the amount of Special Characters in a Codex.
4. To take away.
5. To give what isn't wanted nor needed.

Origin:
Mid-1980's, England, Nottingham

Synonyms:
Bland, Blandify, Codex: Dark Angels (4th Edition)

Antonyms:
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (second 3rd Edition printing)

Well, absolutely great.
Its now part of my vocabulary.

Yeesh, I'm coming in as an utter heretic here, but I just cannot fathom the love-fest for the 3.5e Chaos codex.

I started playing 40k when it came out. I picked it because it had a ton of options and because the model support was very good (the CSM box was, at the time, easily the best GW plastic kit imo, and (with minor revisions to create the current box) is still one of the better ones).

And it almost made me quit 40k because the codex was stupidly, stupidly overpowered. I analyzed the hell out of that book -- I even posted up lists of the most efficient possible Chaos Lords back on some prior iteration of Dakka after simulating every possible Chaos Lord through ten million rounds of combat with marines.

The much-vaunted choices tended to be between the two broad categories of units in the book: Group A, those that were stupidly overpowered, and Group B, those that were stupidly useless. Even in a vacuum, the internal balance of the codex was ridiculously off.

I mean, seriously -- Thousand Sons vs. Bloodletters. Screamers vs. Daemonettes. Flesh Hounds vs. Glaive Princes. In the two years I played regularly with it I literally lost two games, and won most due to simply wiping the other guy off the board. I just can't really see the love for something so horribly game-breaking. During my stint with Chaos, I shot Tau off the board, and never once felt any threat from an assault list.

While from a balance perspective I think the current Chaos 'dex is vastly superior to the old one, I must admit disappointment at the downgrade in terms of art and fluff. But still, the old Chaos book was an abomination on the face of 40k and needed the euthanization it received.


As for the best book, I think the current Space Marines book is the best they've produced -- balanced within the general 40k environment, well-balanced within itself, and provides a great variety of potential lists that are reasonable if not viable on the tabletop. I do wish, though, that the current Chaos 'dex was written as well as the current SM 'dex.

Lowinor: I agree that the most overpowered aspects of the old Chaos book needed a toning down, but saying a book was great it was just overpowered is like saying you love your car but you wish the engine wasn't so big. Having overpowered options sucked for everybody else, but there was a lot of mid range stuff in that book that wasn't broken or useless. The cults (aside from 1k sons) were all pretty balanced, as were things like bikers, chosen, and havocs.

It was, in other words, a codex that fit everybody's desire: something strong, something rich in fluff, etc.

I actually miss Codex: Tyranids 3rd Edition. Hormagaunts could hurt things. Synapse mutants allowed guants to stick around. Biovores actually competed with Carnifexes. Hive Tyrants could have wings, and extended caripace, and warp blast with BS 4...and I could have two winged tyrants. 2 heavy weopons were not automatically twin linked. And at the beginning of 4th edition warrors were beasts. So many options.

+1 for 3.5 Chaos. Ive only played a single game of 40K since the current Chaos Codex was announced near the end of 4th edition... that's how much I despise the 4th/5th 'dex. It's not about the power inflation (which I would say is nothing compared to 3+ invulnerable loyalist terminators), but completely about the lack of options.

Best codexes: current Eldar, current Orks.

Honorable mention to 3.5 chaos for having great fluff and good rules. Doesn't make the cut because not as balanced as current eldar and ork codexes are.

The current chaos codex has a few really strong builds but almost no way to make a competitive force without using either plague marines, demon princes, or obliterators. I wish it had a little more variety.

Most nostalgic: 2nd ed Space Wolves. Thats when I started.

Best: 3.5 Chaos due to the options. Yep broken, but could have been fixed.

2nd best and cleanest to me: Current Nid codex. Again, a decent range of options. Easy to use and understand. Good fluff.

Best list: Lost and the Damned. Along with the Nid list above this is The converter's list.

Best codexes: current Eldar, current Orks.

Current Orks, yes please.
But current Eldar needs an update for the 5th ed.
Please read the corresponding thread in 'Proposed Rules'.

Favorite codex: Chaos Daemons, incredibly fun to play ultra hard assault army. The codex is filled with interesting units and fluff. Never plays the same way twice.

Least favorite codex: New Space Woofs, 400 lb marines wearing 500 pounds of armor riding a predatory animal not built for back strength? That has got to be the dumbest idea i've ever heard anyone come up with.

My favorite is between 5th Edition Orks and Guard. So many ways to play, while remaining interesting and fluffy.

The current Ork an Ig codex's are both really nice.