Ice Panthers Chapter Development. Update :Wolves in the Fold ! 23-10-09

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**Reaper6**

All ideas welcomed, ZeinEizoku. I'm currently working up your original colours on a Power Armour mini and a blend of that with my original scheme on another, so a visual of a Terminator in your colourscheme would be good to see.

**ZeinEizoku**

This is what I came up with. Sadly, I cannot demonstrate the Silver coloring. I can however point out what is supposed to be "Metallic" or "Mithril" Silver, those would be, any joint supports, the Eagle and Skulls, and finally the Terminus Curix. The power fist fingers section is more "Boltgun" metal.

Feel free to modify this and warp it too your style ^__^

I hope you like it

**Reaper6**

That's pretty much how I visualised it based on your original image. Terminators and Veterans scheme sorted, thanks ZeinEizoku

**ZeinEizoku**

No problem Reaper6 I am glad to help, I am more Excited to see what they will look like, I wish I could illustrate the tiger Pattern Camo on the very harsh Ice Blue... but o well I am too lazy to Photo Shop it XD

I would say, if I would have to describe it, use some space wolf grey with some quick striping sort of scratched or tiger, then put some Skull White in a thin line within and some around the Space wolf Grey...

Well I am off to make a Camera Light Box,

**Reaper6**

Second and Third Concept workups finished ! First up, the workup of the idea suggested by ZeinEizoku. I've taken the liberty of changing the style of the Company Number on the knee from Gothic to Roman Numerals (personal preference) and temperorarily changed the helmet lenses.

I remind you (politely) that these are rough workups, so it's about the colours, not the quality (my first post shows my Table-top standard). I know some areas could be smoother and the white sections need shading, but I wanted these done and posted.
For ease of reference, I'm calling this scheme "Zein Pattern".

ZeinEizoku's concept allowed me to take my own in a slightly different direction, a fusion of his suggestions and my original idea. This time, I've incorporated the Company Colour into the Squad Type marking on the shoulder.
For ease of reference, I'm calling this "Zein/Reaper Pattern".

The Evolution so far. Left to Right, Original Concept, Zein Pattern, Zein/Reaper Pattern.

My current thought is to put the Company Colour Bar back on the Zein/Reaper pattern kneepad and use it for the basic Marines, whilst keeping the Zein Pattern for Veterans (Stern & Vanguard). To that end, I'm about to start the workup of Zein Pattern on a Terminator (possibly swapping the White for either Silver or Boltgun Metal).

So, Dakka, Opinions ? Input ? General making fun of ? Open fire, all incoming welcomed. Oh, pics in Gallery if you want to vote. If you vote for Zein Pattern there, please pop across to his gallery and vote on his stuff. He gave me the rights to his concept, so it's only fair (Even if it's just a coolness vote on his concept image)

(Sorry this update is so long, people)

**The Fallen Angel**

i like the middle colors but in imo either the down part of the legs or the feet also should be blue

**Reaper6**

The Fallen Angel wrote:i like the middle colors but in imo either the down part of the legs or the feet also should be blue

Hmm, good thinking

. In fact, if I change the feet of the Zein Pattern to blue, it might work if I do the same to the gloves. ( I've got a fluff explanation growing in my mind even as I type this !)

Thanks

**Slappywag**

I like the left/first one. Maybe to stop it looking less space wolves by adding some other accents. I know you got the green already but i dunno...gloves/hands, feet?

I really like the last ones shoulder pad

slappy

**Reaper6**

Thanks, Slappy, suggestion noted

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Ya know, people, the way this is going, I'm gonna have enough ideas for THREE chapters colours (as if the fluff for 1 isn't enough of a pain in the butt !

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Keep it going, the more ideas, the better

**1hadhq**

Will keep it at 3 variants for you...

Like the white / light blue scheme, so maybe:

**Reaper6**

1hadhq : That's pretty much what I was thinking for the Veterans and Terminators, but I hand't considered the gold helmets (seems obvious now though

) Thanks

. Thanks also for not adding to the variants list ( It was starting to look like I was doing a whole founding, not a single chapter !)

Oh, to which ever MOD moved this thread, thanks. I was going to ask for it to be moved, but got called away before I could.

**ZeinEizoku**

WOW I love the way they look Reaper6. I think they look amazing and anything you want to change go for it. I think it looks pretty sweet so far ^___^ keep it up. If you need any other Ideas of suggestions you just let me know and I will see if I could brew something up.

**Reaper6**

Finally finished the basic Terminator workup. !

The basic scheme, as I said, is Zein pattern with a couple of small modifications. The Silver has been replaced with Boltgun Metal, to allow for Silver highlighting, and the suggestions for colouring the feet have been incorporated. Also, the chest wings are now based with white (with black wash and silver heavy drybrush) and Crux Terminatus has been changed to a stone grey (as they were back in the day when Termi's were first released)

So, the current result is...

Remember, this is about the COLOURS at the moment, detailed gak will come later.

1hadhq : Your suggestion of Gold helmets has been taken on board. I was thinking that might be a nice touch for the Terminator Sergeants.

So, opinions ? (I'm really enjoying this feeling of collaboration BTW)

**sonofruss**

As a fellow follower of the pie I approve of this choice of armies

**Reaper6**

sonofruss wrote:As a fellow follower of the pie I approve of this choice of armies

Many thanks, my Brother Testudinitatus. How's the Turtle Pie Guard coming along, not seen many updates recently

**ZeinEizoku**

I think it looks pretty sick, I cannot wait to get to the Gak Detail part of this Chapter assembly lol Now we come to the viable section of reality when we think... what will vehicle color scheme be... o_o'

**Reaper6**

ZeinEizoku wrote:I think it looks pretty sick

I'll take that as a compliment ! Hey, remember, you're just as responsible for how the Terminators are as I am

ZeinEizoku wrote:Now we come to the viable section of reality when we think... what will vehicle color scheme be...

I've already got something in mind there

Dreadnoughts will be based around the Terminator scheme (Started on an AoBR Dread earlier today). Basic vehicles (Rhino/Predator) will follow the Zein/Reaper pattern, SW Grey central bodywork with White "Track Panniers" and side armour. Turrets and Sponsons possibly black for contrast (like the bolters on the Tactical Marines)

**ZeinEizoku**

Well you are on top of that, damn lol

Well I cannot wait to see the Dread. I think it will look amazing.

**Reaper6**

ZeinEizoku wrote:Well I cannot wait to see the Dread. I think it will look amazing.

Here ya go, a WIP shot to whet your appetite. Basic colours blocked out and Storm Bolter modded to Heavy Flamer.

I'll update it when I'm done (also working on a Zein/Reaper Tactical Squad)

**Marushi**

Very nice! Shaping up very nicely.

Was going to say the metal on the termie looked a bit dark, but wasn't sure if it was just on the pic, but it looks much better on the dread

**Reaper6**

Marushi wrote:Very nice! Shaping up very nicely.

Was going to say the metal on the termie looked a bit dark, but wasn't sure if it was just on the pic, but it looks much better on the dread

Thanks, Marushi. The pic of the Terminator does make the metal a little dark, Unfortunately it was taken with a cellphone camera and the flash was a little too high up, casting the legs in shadow. The Dread was taken in good sunlight, so the legs look better. In reality, they are both about the same as seen on the dread.

**ZeinEizoku**

hahaha I love it, and how Ironic that a Ice Faring Space Marine Company would have their Dread. armed with a Multi Melta XD

**Reaper6**

Yeah, I thought you'd like that

, Somehow, the idea of heat weapons on an "Ice" chapter dread just seemed to fit, in a backwards kind of way

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I've been refining the fluff, and I think I have a way to use both Zein pattern (Ice Blue/White) as the Panthers, and Zein/Reaper (SW Grey/White) for a Space Wolves tribute chapter.

I just need to come up with a name that has the right "Wolf" sound to it. All I've come up with so far is Cobalt Wolves !

**Bascilica**

I like the colour scheme, ispecially the bright glacier-like one. I support the call for snowed or atleast cold-looking bases.

**ironKing**

I also quite like the middle one - although I might tone the bright blue down a notch.

On the terminator I would go for the same color scheme - not the hectic silver, but the white armor plates on legs and arms, then blue hands / feet.

Definately snow / ice bases.

**Reaper6**

Bascilica wrote:specially the bright glacier-like one.

Would that be the Grey/White (Zein/Reaper pattern) or the Blue/White (Zein Pattern) ?

Bascilica wrote:I support the call for snowed or atleast cold-looking bases.

At the moment I'm just basing to fit with my Ultramarines army, but I'm thinking of putting a small amount of snow on as well when I start the "production" models, in keeping with the "edge of the tundra" theme in the fluff I'm writing.

**slann**

I like the color scheme its something fresh , I was getting bored at looking at marines but these are cool .

**Ramos Asura**

gotta say... great color scheme,
Im not too huge of a fan of the silver, but i suppose it does add a bit of flair,

Its fresh and new to me, and This'll look insane on the tabletop!
Ive always liked marine chapters with bright colors.

I look forward to seeing more!

**Reaper6**

ironKing : Sorry I missed you post earlier, it must have come up whilst I was typing. Feel free to copy and modify as you wish, sharing ideas is part of the fun of the hobby for me.

slann : Glad to hear I've given you something new to look at, though some credit must go to ZeinEizoku for his input on colour and layout.

Ramos Asura : The silver will only be used on Terminators and dreadnoughts for the Blue scheme, everything else will be offset with white, and the grey scheme will only feature the white offset even on the Terminators.

All : I'm glad this project is generating such positive feedback (even the "not keen on" posts make good points). I'll be starting work on squads soon, unless there are any more suggestions to try out in the next few days.

**Reaper6**

Just a quick update !

I've finally had a chance to snap a couple pics of the dreadnought. Oh, before any says "Snow Bases ", I'm thinking of putting a light dusting of snow on when I finally get around to buying some, but I'm not entirely decided yet (I'm not a huge fan of snow bases, they look out of place on aything other than a snow theme table).

So, the pics :

Still a couple of finishing touches left to do, but it's pretty much there.
(see, I said this was just a quick update

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