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rogueeyes wrote:The fact that there is no real price difference between metal and plastic anymore hasn't really been addressed. I jsut started buying Grey Knight Terminators. They cost $55 american. Regular terminators that are plastic cost $50. I see no difference in pricing here.

Holy hell. Here, Termies = $69. GK termies = $95

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:I chose a OTHER Spess Mehreen variant. These most expensive Mehreenz are the ones who are plated in pure gold.

At that rate, it's going to be the Guardsmen molded out of pure cocaine...

Jimi Nemesis wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:The fact that there is no real price difference between metal and plastic anymore hasn't really been addressed. I jsut started buying Grey Knight Terminators. They cost $55 american. Regular terminators that are plastic cost $50. I see no difference in pricing here.

Holy hell. Here, Termies = $69. GK termies = $95

I believe that would be one example of why HBMC advocates maelstrom games whenever possible.

Exactly. Current UK to Oz exchange rates (and the MASSIVE disparity between the cost of GW products in the UK and Oz) gives us Aussies a near 50% discount when ordering from Maelstrom.

There's simply no reason not to.

I was surprised results were exactly as I expected. IG first with the two ALL METAL armies next. IG IMO is most expensive. 10 models for 22 bux. They are 5 point models.

In addition many things like, medusa, colossus, veterans, vindicator, etc.. all are forge world. Plus other things, like my eradicator is made from the left over hellhammer cannon in the baneblade kit that need to be converted.

My RR squad rides all ork warbikes (Old ones).

Then the metal models, commissars, characters, special weapons, ogryn, storm troopers ($40+ for 10 models @ about 16 points each)
Also IG do NOT come as someone stated with any heavy weapons. SO you MUST convert by buying more troop boxes to use all the weapons in the box then get creative converting. Not to mention standard tanks are pricy.

100 points for a $50 valkrie

Not to mention if one wishes to play somthing like Death Korps, then the price goes thru the roof because they are still 5 point models for like double or triple the price.


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Another thing people should keep in mind is that like myself before the new codex, many people take Gk and/or WH as allies. So many of those votes can count for IG.

I used to run a 5 man GK termie squad ($55), which has been replaced by a 6 man ogryn squad ($90) Both are roughly 250 points yet the Ogryn are almost twice as expensive.

Just sayin' here. I don't really have much to back myself up on here. But wouldn't some of the cheaper, hoard armies get pretty damn expensive(In example, Orks)? I mean, in an apocalypse sense you'd have to buy a LOT of models just to keep the number advantage over your opponents. The costs would end up getting quite nasty i'd think

I would expect that Death Korps of Krieg would be high up on the list, seeing as everything is from FW, and resin kits. £35 for one squad, if I remember correctly.

Of course, DKoK are just a Guard faction. Sisters of Battle have to be one of the more expensive armies seeing as almost everything is metal kits. I'd imagine 'Nids could end up pricey too, but the new Codex (and more plastic kits) may ease this.

IMO, Guard only placed as high as it did because people aren't familiar with what WH costs.

A standard SoB unit is $40 for 120+ pts (3+ pts/$), and an IST unit is at least as expensive. A Guard squad is $22 for 65+ pts (3+ pts/$).

But Guard tanks save the day - 150 pts for $40 (~4 pts/$), and available in squadrons, whereas Sisters tanks give fewer points for similar / greater cost.

And Guard can further leverage their interchangeable plastic bitz in a big way to keep cost down.

Praetorian Guard. On Ebay, they usually sell for approximately £3 a basic infantry model, with a hvy weapons team going for a tenner. And if they're in bulk, they go for more per model.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. Current UK to Oz exchange rates (and the MASSIVE disparity between the cost of GW products in the UK and Oz) gives us Aussies a near 50% discount when ordering from Maelstrom.

There's simply no reason not to.

Exactly. From Maelstrom those GK termies only cost $55.77 AUD at the moment

IG. Metal, plastic, or a resin based army - they're gonna be damned expensive especially after the infamous 20 man squad box reduction to 10. Then there's OOP stuff which is not only even more expensive but very much sought after.

Actually, John raises a good point. Sisters are actually really expensive. Here's why: the basic box of ten is $41.25, but it includes a flamer and a stormbolter, two weapons you'd never use in a sisters squad. So you have to add a melta and a heavy flamer, for an additional 21.50, making a basic sisters squad $62.75. Throw in the Rhino at $35 and a basic sisters squad runs $97.75 for a unit that's normally 214pts, or only 2.2pts/$. The similar Ig units are a melta vet squad at $22 for the basic box minus $6.6 for the three bodies not used, $22.50 for three cadian melta gunners, and a $35 dollar chimera for $73 for a 155pt unit, or $2.12/pt.

Ig do have some points intensive stuff in the the heavy support slot, while sisters don't, but it'll probably come down to build style. If you're running sentinels or Valkyries, it's different than if you're running Executioners. A lot of the IG stuff is very pricy.

I think you guys are doing your math wrong. It seems you are figuring points per dollar but it should be dollars per point.

ex. IG Naked Squad $22.00/50 Points = .44 Cents per Point
SOB $40.00/120 Points = .33 Cents per point

If you want to do upgrades. Lets just say 1 FOC for guard. A platoon

Command squad $25/30 Points
IG squad with 1 Hvy Weapon, 1 Melta, ($13.25HW+$7.50MG+22.00SQD)x2/(50Sqd+15HWP+10(MG))

TOtal is about $110.5/(30+50x2+15x2+10x2) = $110.5/180

ROughly .61 Cents per Point

SOB 10 woman Squad 2 meltas and sister Superior and Imagifier = ($41.50+$16.50+$11.50)/164 points

=$69.50/164Points
.42 Cents Per point. Hence only looking at infantry TROOPS IG are more expensive

Elites are even worse for IG since they are just about all metal and cheap from a points perspective.
Ogryn alone are $20 for a 40 point model so yeah it is 50 cents per point (Cheaper than IG Cadians) but, its 20 bux for ONE model. So a 10 man is 200 Dollars. Actually it would be interesting to make a large spread sheet and look at the entire Army. It would not be that hard. Just need both codices which I have and about 2 hours which I do NOT have.

smart_alex wrote:I think you guys are doing your math wrong. It seems you are figuring points per dollar but it should be dollars per point.

"Wrong?" Points per dollar vs dollars per point are just different ways of quantifying the cost.

Also, why are you looking at Ogryns that nobody takes? It seems like you're artificially spiking the price, just like DKoK or metal IG.

Instead, look at Valks & IG tanks that everybody takes - "normal" stuff.

Or how about instead, figure out the average ratio of $ to points in that army rather than base it off specific things that might be the most commonly brought thing.

My krieg total out to like 1:1 dollar to point. I go big or go home. All my chimeras have FW repressor dozers

But of just the GW main range, sisters are by far the most expensive for the reasons some have pointed out: the stock box is a junk unit and you need $20 more in blisters to make it fieldable plus a tank.

Cool army though.

I said 'Nids. Coz most Nid players are Nidzilla-freaks, living only to imbarass pther real Nid players. $368 just for an upgraded HQ (2 tyrants with 3 guards each, as Tyrants are 'vulnerable'), then 3 fexes as Elites, $207, no idea about troops, I guess fast attack are raveners or winged warriors, somewhere around $250, and HS 3 more fexes, $207. Obviously I'm not 100% correct as i don't do Nidzilla, but it seems right. A $1032 army without troop cost added seems ridiculous. But once again, try not to go total Hannibal on me for mistakes.

Death Corps of Krieg from FW.

Tim the Biovore wrote: I said 'Nids. Coz most Nid players are Nidzilla-freaks, living only to imbarass pther real Nid players.

This just makes me sad. Why aren't 'nidzilla players "real Tyranid players"? Because they play a variant of the army that GW approves of? Is it that by making them lesser people, you make yourself a better person by comparison?

Tim the Biovore wrote:$368 just for an upgraded HQ (2 tyrants with 3 guards each, as Tyrants are 'vulnerable'), then 3 fexes as Elites, $207, no idea about troops, I guess fast attack are raveners or winged warriors, somewhere around $250, and HS 3 more fexes, $207. Obviously I'm not 100% correct as i don't do Nidzilla, but it seems right. A $1032 army without troop cost added seems ridiculous. But once again, try not to go total Hannibal on me for mistakes.

If only the Tyranid Assault Brood and Mycetic Assault Broods were still available; those were some AWESOME values. Anywho, drop the Fast Attack, because noone takes that, and drop three Guard and add one of the wing sets from WHFB. Then compare that to IG or SoB, who can can sink hundreds into each troop slot.

Really depends on your army composition and points I suppose but I'd go wtih Daemons, especially if you really want an impressive army, comprising the 4 Gods.

I must say i find orks to be pretty expensive,since to make a decent mob you really need to buy a lot of boxes..plus bits etc

Well, I guess that is either a Tyranid players opinion, or just my own. It's just weird to have a true swarm army made of giant aliens. In the Codex, this is where it became apparent this is just my opinion, it descibes wave upon wave a bounding, screeching man-sized aliens supported by the monsterous creatures. Oh well, heed not my opinions.

Well, it ought to be said that one can make a 1000 point Guard Army for $200 American, give or take a few bucks on shipping. Whereas a 1000 pt SOB army probably costs far more, am I right?

any fw army, demonhunters, nunz with guns, deathwing termies with lr support