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http://www.petitiononline.com/

If you really want to impact GW, make real petitions. Make a standard petition form, have a bunch of people here on Dakka print it out and take it to the FLGS, have people sign it, mail all the petitions in the country to one person, have that one person attach a nice cover letter and mail them in to GW.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:One rule to cease it all, one rule to calm them, one rule to answers them all and in the darkness stop the endless recurring spamfest flamebaits that erupt every 3 weeks on every forum across the cold gulfs of the interweb.

QFT.

Anung Un Rama wrote:http://www.petitiononline.com/

Your the gak Anung Un Rama. Ill set that up when I get home tonight. Thanks mate
Next stop, SEE IT IN MY SIGNATURE lol

Agreed! +1 for official rulings.

Just bringing this back up. Im trying to get an online petition going, but for some reason the site I was setting it up with just stopped letting me do it lol. Im sure Ill have a real petition here in a few days

I'm going to go ahead and mention that in Pask's page in the Guard codex it mentions his Russ' turret getting torn off by a Deffrolla.

There is no way a Deffrolla would ONLY rip off a turret with the current rules. d6 s10 hits its a death sentence for any vehicle. The rules for the Deffrolla as it stands are just slowed. They should errata it so its a bit more reasonable, and then no problem on it hitting vehicles. d6 s8 hits is cool. AV 14 is going to be a very strong, thick and heavy armor plating, and there is no way (fluff) the Deffrolla is going to auto destroy it - simply not enough mass.

I agree to this as well.

Have you ever seen an alien tank with a giant spiked cilinder in front of it attack other armored vehicles?

OK well Im getting my head kicked in all over the web. Apparently asking a bunch of 40k hobbyists to actually TRY to fix rules instead of just complaining about them, is impossible. Its pretty much left up to DAKKA and a small hand fulls of others. One of the forums I was made fun of for 2 pages before it locked and I was threatened with being banned.
On another, I was threatened again for simply bringing it up on a thread. I just mentioned, hey PM for details on the deff rolla petition. POW! right in the face.
So right now Im some what confused as to how I continue. The signatures are trickling down now. We are at 86 last I checked, yea its not bad, but consider the first 2 or 3 days I got over 30, now Im getting about 4 or 5 a day...... only 2 last night. Kind of annoying that Im the only one that wants rule clarifications.
SO any ideas on how to go forth and gain more signatures?! Id love to hear them lol


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Im trying to keep this in the hobby, but I might just goto other online forums for... automobiles and talking about magic cards and such. But that feels like cheating

Congratulations. You were hit with the full ignorance of the Internet. I wasn't expecting this, but it doesn't surprise me either.

lol I wasnt expecting this either. I honestly thought most people would say "hey thats not a bad idea lets jump on the bandwagon" but instead I got a face full of "HAHA LOOK AT THE NOOB FROM NOOB VILLE!!! Jeez how stupid does this guy look right now! GW IS GOD!!!!!!"
Its been a slap in the face thats for sure But Ill keep on trucking. Im giving GW this petition on ym dead line weather its full or not. I still believe we ALL deserve clear rules, even that jerk heads.

Which Forums have you tried so far? Maybe some of the users here who are also on other Forums can spread the word too.

I'll call my rep today and ask him, how does that sound? Put this whole matter to rest.

yeah,
And I'll ask my mum!?

I signed the petition... I hope you get a result.

Panic...

It's really disheartening to hear about the reaction from other communities.

Solidarity brother, Im in. signed.

I'd sign it, but that website is annoying me, and I know they're a source of Spam mail, so I wont.

However, next time i'm buying something, i'll whine at the marketing troll about it, might make them do something.

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Buys direct from GW.

I have no strong feelings either way and doubt GW will do anything. You're obviously proactive, however, so signed.

Also @ Nobody_Holme

I know they're a source of Spam mail, so I wont.

From the site:

We hate spam. We do not sell or share the email addresses you provide.

Nobody_Holme wrote:I'd sign it, but that website is annoying me, and I know they're a source of Spam mail, so I wont.

However, next time i'm buying something, i'll whine at the marketing troll about it, might make them do something.

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Buys direct from GW.

All you have to do, is uncheck the 2 boxes on the first page, and then click skip(I believe its in that order lol) and you dont get anyspam what so ever


*UPDATE*

Well as of this morning we have 104 signatures. So Its a 5th of the way to the goal. If I had known ahead of time about the trouble I would of ran into, I wouldnt of tried for 500 lol. But the other night we got a pretty good spike in signatures.

As far as saying the names of the other forums that are causing such a pain in my ass, I really dont want to say the names out loud, simply because to me, that would be like bashing their websites, which is pretty much against my character. I know I went off about one site a few threads ago, but honestly they deserved it. 2 pages of insults until they decided to close it wasnt very fun for me.
I tell ya, I know a bit how GWAR feels with everyone hating the guy (lol joking joking)

But someone on Libraium suggest another forum, and he says hes pretty sure they allow things like this. So later today Ill set up an account there and see if they dont mind me posting. Other then that, like Ive said, feel free to get this petition out there guys.

And as always thanks for the support thus far!

yeah,
I unclicked all the boxes and once I signed this petition I unsubscribed from the site...

no spam as of yet?

Panic...

I'm not sure I understand what the "debate" is about? the deff rolla text clearly states it deals 1d6 wounds in a TANKSHOCK, but you cannot hit vehicles in tank shocks, they HAVE to stop 1" away, you can only hit vehicles with a RAM action

Ravenica, as you are new to this board I'll be polite about it.

DON'T!

If you should feel like discussing the finer points of the Deffrolla I suggest you learn to use the Search function post haste. Also reread the original post. The OP specifically asked that this didn't turn into a rules discussion.

To the guys out there feeling a strong desire to actually respond to the content of Ravenicas post....

LET IT GO!

oh well, signed anyway, seems like a total abuse of a clerical error

I don't use my deffrolla that way, it would almost be as bad as mixing mobs for the cover save, bleh

Ravenica wrote:oh well, signed anyway, seems like a total abuse of a clerical error

I don't use my deffrolla that way, it would almost be as bad as mixing mobs for the cover save, bleh

Meh... just had a guy do that at a tourny. Signed.

hehe quick aside, as a stopgap measure against rule exploiters, throw this line in their face, RAW since ramming is a type of special type of tank shock (p68) "If the tank accidentally moves into contact with a friendly unit or comes within 1" of an enemy vehicle, it immediately stops moving."

Ramming doesn't specifically disallow this so as with tech marines, they cannot complete their action

rules lawyering goes both ways

You just can't help yourself, can you Ravenica?

The stupidity of some people is simply staggering.

since I am not discussing the finer points of the deff rolla, nor am I debating anything, but am speaking to the issue at hand, I will ignore your childish troll beyond pointing it out

Ravenica wrote:since I am not discussing the finer points of the deff rolla, nor am I debating anything, but am speaking to the issue at hand, I will ignore your childish troll beyond pointing it out

No he has a point, Ive asked in the original post not to bring it up. However much someone might agree with you about how it DOESNT affect vehicles, go ahead and read the 6+ pages on anyone of the deff rolla debate threads and then youll see why Ive asked not to even bring it up lol.

*UPDATE*
Ok thanks to everyone that has signed once more! We are at 115 from when I last looked. Not too shabby, I think if the trend keeps going, I might get the 500 goal I was looking for by late december(when the petition ends)