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I recall a photo one of my professors had on his door that compared pictures of Holocaust victims to super models, which were eerily similar, and decried the standards of beauty as harmful, both physically and psychologically.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Models are intended to beautiful in the same sense that art is intended to be beautiful. They're basically canvas for the designer.
Sexy is whatever your particular perversion makes it, and that may allign with beauty, but it doesn't have to.
Tell your daughter the first part and it might help. Obviously when opportunity presents itself, no one likes 'the talk'. One of my exs got that from her dad, and her response (as she recalled) was something like "I don't want to be canvas".
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dogma wrote:There's a difference between 'beauty' and 'sexy'.
Models are intended to beautiful in the same sense that art is intended to be beautiful. They're basically canvas for the designer.
Sexy is whatever your particular perversion makes it, and that may allign with beauty, but it doesn't have to.
Tell your daughter the first part and it might help. Obviously when opportunity presents itself, no one likes 'the talk'. One of my exs got that from her dad, and her response (as she recalled) was something like "I don't want to be canvas".
Would you be my canvas? I'm thinking of a watercolor landscape. With dinosaurs.
While I agree it doesn't change that the images presented, more like bombarded, with in mass media is pushing the former. It creates unrealistic visual associations for both male and females.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Just a word of caution - you may want to consider the age and maturity of your children before subjecting them to images of torture etc from concentration camps.
Maybe she isnt skinny but her clothes are really tight.
But rather then stay here and complain why not actually do somthing? If you want you do something about with your doughter(srry cant get my words right forgive me)
i hear dove does self-esteem workshops for youg girls.
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mattyrm wrote:i like the idea of a woman with a lobster claw for a hand touching my nuts. :-)
but we already know that, if i were you id not even bother talking to her about it, unless she raises the issue or it is made evident that these are her role models...
Ahtman wrote:
Would you be my canvas? I'm thinking of a watercolor landscape. With dinosaurs.
Only if you dress up like Bob Ross.
Ahtman wrote:
While I agree it doesn't change that the images presented, more like bombarded, with in mass media is pushing the former. It creates unrealistic visual associations for both male and females.
Yeah, that's certainly true.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
How sad that that is what Ralph Lauren thinks we find desirable. Or anyone for that matter.
Of course the photo is a very edited as your hips are not smaller than your head (barring some wacky malady), and the angle of the rib cage is wrong.
Anyways, to all those dads (including me) who have daughters, all we can do is tell them what is healthy and whats not. And if they are skinny and healthy or large and healthy, we love them either way.
Cheers
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In the age of shoops, you should probably tell them what's possible and not as well.
You usually don't look at someone with a thin waist, giant elbows, stringy muscles, and a gaunt face and think they're healthy; despite all the fear going around about 'body image', there's an instinctual aversion to skeletism.
When you have someone with an absurdly thin waist who is otherwise healthy(ish) and attractive, then you're going to get into problems if the reader isn't familiar with the editing process the photos go through. Seeing a picture of someone doesn't really imply that the person is healthy, but it does seem to imply that they exist.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Silverthorne wrote:Meh, the flip side of the coin here is that skinny women catch tons of crap from the flabbier ones. My Mom, sister, and gf are all size zeros and fat women can be straight up NASTY to them. They just assume skinny women have body image issues and are jerks or sluts. That's stupid. People say size 0-2 isn't healthy, but it is a hell of a lot more healthy than a size 16-20. People (women included) evolved to be opportunistic scavengers and predators. Look all the other animals that occupy that niche. How many of them are carrying around loads of adipose tissue?
LOL!!! dosen't matter what size you are, all women will be nasty to you if you are another women, I'm a size 12. Skinny girls will make comments about me being fat, Fatter girls will make comments about me being to skinny....It's just how it is. I don't give a flying what any of them think...I've never been turned down yet so there is something good about it No matter the size someone will pick fault with you, a short sharp smack to the mouth followed by "shup bish" works wonders.
quote=Horst]well no sane woman will let you crap on her chest, or suck off a donkey for you, and sometimes you just need to watch gak like that done by professionals.
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KingCracker wrote:
On a funny note tho, a family friend calls women like that rib poppers. Ya just slide it in until they start popping, then you know your there
I suppose that they could have actually made this image just to get their name about... one of those "any publicity is good publicity" campaigns.
They may grab headlines in a couple of months by leading the charge against the established use of ultra thin people and post production alteration of images by the fashion industry and thus heralded as a great company.
That is my thought on the matter anyway. I can't really understand how they could think the image is acceptable or conforms to any standard of beauty otherwise...
Roze wrote:
LOL!!! dosen't matter what size you are, all women will be nasty to you if you are another women...
For example:
Roze wrote:I hate that some 17 year old peice of ass has flutter her eyelashes, shook her arse and practiacally destroyed a clan on 30 people! (being the only other girl she never botherd me!) but it's like listening to a bunch or 13 year old hormonal boys! i cant decide if i hate her or if i hate the guys for acting so STUPID!!! your all over 25, at least half of you are married!! What does it matter is she flirts with everything that knows how to type! STOP BEING A BUNCH OF NOOOOBS!!! *Rage*
Wrexasaur wrote:This thread needs more curves... cushion for the pushin', and REALITY CHECK!!! Oh... burger time.
Thankyou for saving this thread from fail.
I remember my Chinese teacher from Beijing who complained about being fat and needing to get thinner (note: she had a pretty average body but was REALLY nice, several of us agreed we'd be gunning for her if she wasn't married). She said she always looked at Hollywood stars and models and they are all thin. I of course quickly corrected her.
"Look, guys don't actually find that attractive. In fact, it totally baffles us where they even get the idea. You wanna see what kind of body men like? Watch some porn, especially the standard gonzo flicks."
Not really useful advice for guys with daughters though, as you probably don't want them growing up idolizing Nautica Thorn and Gianna Michaels.
Roze wrote:
LOL!!! dosen't matter what size you are, all women will be nasty to you if you are another women...
For example:
Roze wrote:I hate that some 17 year old peice of ass has flutter her eyelashes, shook her arse and practiacally destroyed a clan on 30 people! (being the only other girl she never botherd me!) but it's like listening to a bunch or 13 year old hormonal boys! i cant decide if i hate her or if i hate the guys for acting so STUPID!!! your all over 25, at least half of you are married!! What does it matter is she flirts with everything that knows how to type! STOP BEING A BUNCH OF NOOOOBS!!! *Rage*
LOL i didnt pick fault with how she looks! Although i feel quite justified in being mean to her She arranged to meet one of the clan guys and then brought he dad along to "teach him a lesson" thats entrapment
quote=Horst]well no sane woman will let you crap on her chest, or suck off a donkey for you, and sometimes you just need to watch gak like that done by professionals.
<<< my hero
KingCracker wrote:
On a funny note tho, a family friend calls women like that rib poppers. Ya just slide it in until they start popping, then you know your there
MadEdric wrote:A hearty sammich is everyone's friend. Fashion is run by men who hate women.
Well, half-right.
Men who like men more.
I was kinda dancing around that point but since you started it.
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I have seen posts on other sites saying they love stick thin girls and also denial denial of the the holocaust. One site claimed there was only 200,0000 killed. Noone should be denied food in this day and age, the worst part is Africa can feed itself if given the proper infrastructure, but racial intolerism is so bad (sorry think there is a typo there somewhere) Why the hell can't the Old world help the new world out for all our mutual benefit.
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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:
Frazz, if you're daughter every thinks that is good, give me fifteen seconds with a frying pan to straighten her out.....
Just saying.
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