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Either way, one side on the DE are coming/No they aren't debate is going to be vindicated, and the other is going to feel viciously trolled. Can't wait for the fireworks.

Lol.. Brimstone said we will see DE at the end of 2010 at the SOONEST..

That is hardly an indication because thats what GW has been saying every other time

All that means it that DE is ATLEAST delayed for another year until they decide if they are going to drop them or delay them again

Well Brim said it's still being worked on and he has lots of "inside info" and has posted as such on warseer and is considered one of the reliable sources.

If he says it it's good enough for me. Perhaps people should quit the "sky is falling" Chicken Little bs.

Broken Loose wrote:I love how Tyranids are next to be released and yet they have the least news available about them. GG, GW.

Why would GW want to hype up their next release with previews and advertising. No, no, no. It makes far more sense to keep them hidden and treat those who try to find out new rumours like pariahs.


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Alpharius wrote:That's no highlight for me!

It makes me sad...

I'm surprised you didn't already know that Alpha.

It's not just Alien Hunters that aren't on their To Do list, Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters are no longer on their To Do list either. Codex: Grey Knights and Codex: Sisters of Battle are, but say good bye to anything but Generic Inquisitors from the 'Inquisitorial' side of things.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:But if Brimstone has it on authority that DE are being redone than I will consider it as fact.

He, in the past, has never said something was going to happen that didn't..

Aside from when Brimstone said that Dark Eldar were in the works more than a year ago (meaning that we would have gotten DE more than 9 months ago)...

But who knows, maybe his GW contact was just ficking with him?
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George Spiggott wrote:Giving a date so far out (effectively 2011) makes me think it will change, and probably not for the better.

I assume this info places Necrons after Dark Eldar.

Nids are January for Q1 2010, and BA are April or May for Q2, leaving Q3 and Q4 open. GW doesn't do more than 3 armies a year, so if Q4 is an army release, then Q3 is something "special" for summer. The thing is, that something is hard to say what that would be. More Apoc? Or perhaps a sorely-needed missions supplement for 5E? Perhaps a Jungle book to complement Planetstrike & Cities of Death? Or even a Kill Team / Combat Patrol bridge from AoBR to regular 40k? The mind boggles.

What makes you think that DE would appear before Necrons? Necrons are a rules mess and need cleanup. Necrons have a decent base of plastics to build off and are probably the only remaining mixed-metal army left. So given GW's recent strategy towards grabbing the lowest-hanging fruit possible. Also, Necrons are clearly older with a 2002 Codex, whereas DE were updated in 2003.
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Kilkrazy wrote:Which probably places Tau after Necrons, late in 2011 at the earliest.

If that happens GW had better not release a 6th edition rules until 2015 at the earliest.

Tau Empire came out it 2006! It's practically a NEW Codex, so no whining allowed until at least 2012. What should likely happen is that Eldar leapfrog the Tau and jump one spot earlier in the cycle, probably right after Necrons.

New Rulebooks don't hurt anybody, but they increase clarity for everybody, so I don't know why you're opposed to regular rules refreshes. 40k6 should come out in 2012 (4 years after 40k5 released). GW learned their lesson not to hold up rulebook updates in the 3E - TAR/TVR - 4E transition. Of course, we should expect 40k7 no sooner than 2015, but 2016 is more likely...

Tau Empire came out March 2006, that makes it three and half years old. It came out about half way through 4e and two years before 5e, thus Tau players only had two years of an up-to-date codex before it was again made obsolete. It wasn't even a 5e- codex like Eldar.

@KK: I suppose when Tau sell like Space Marines, they'll be updated like Space Marines.

They don't need to be updated like Space Marines. They just need to be updated.

The Tau codex is half the size of the vanilla SM codex, it's much easier to update, and doesn't need any Colour SM codexes either.

So do Necrons, Sisters, and Inquisition - only moreso.

Kirasu wrote:Lol.. Brimstone said we will see DE at the end of 2010 at the SOONEST..

Soonest being the weasel word. They could be out in 2030 and that statement would still be accurate.

@ JHDD
You seem very selective about which rumors you passionately embrace and which ones you discard with contempt. For example:

Any and all rumors that say DE are in the works? Denied by you based on nothing.

Solitary rumor from sombody who stumbled into the middle of a conversation that Phil was having with somebody else at a GD wherein Phil recounted his excitement back when he was put on the DE project? Embraced by you as proof that DE haven't been started yet.

Jervis says they've been in the works for several years now? "Impossible. Somebody said Phil told somebody else that he hopes to get the job."

Word from the latest GD saying that DE are due in about a year or so? "Impossible! Somebody who eavesdropped on Phil, with no context of what was being discussed, said Phil hasn't started yet!"

'What makes this time different?' What "this time" are you talking about? This is the first time since their release in 3rd edition that GW has admitted to being in the process of working on a new Dark Eldar codex. Everything we've heard before was just player wishlisting and insubstantial hearsay.

I'm confused about where you stand on this. In your post you say:

The Codex is NOT coming out in a year or so

but then a couple sentences later you said:

Why should we disbelieve the first-hand report of someone who was actually at GD Italy, who says that the DE/Necron situation is NOT good, that DE & Necrons are at least a year away.

I hope I'm not quoting out of context cause I'm not trying to antagonize you, but it appeared to me as though you expressed disbelief that they'll be done in a year or so, right before implying that we should not disbelieve that they'll be done in a year or so...

John likes to ignore such things because he's a victim.

JohnHwangDD wrote:So do Necrons, Sisters, and Inquisition - only moreso.

Exactly.

Too many Spase Marienz (Hurrr!) and too few of everything else.

John doesn't like to be wrong, which is sad really as it must mean he leads such a tortured existence, being so wrong all the time.

@Archonate: What?

As I've said many times before, and have been proven right time and again, DE aren't getting anything until someone can prove that they are. By "proof", I'm talking about a pre-production Codex and official preview minis.

So, by default, I'm going to disbelieve anything that says DE are coming without proof, and I'm going to believe anything that says they aren't. After all, this corresponds 100% with reality for over a year.

If DE have been started, as rumored, by Phil, why would he say that he feels destined to write the DE book to complete things (future imperfect tense), rather than say he felt destined to have written the book (pluperfect past tense).

If DE are just waiting on minis, then the book will have been completed, and Phil won't be talking wistfully about wanting to do something. Instead, it'll be the current GW party line of not being able to confirm anything until it actually hits the shelves a month later.

And when you say "This is the first time since their release in 3rd edition that GW has admitted to being in the process of working on a new Dark Eldar codex", that is untrue. See Yakface's comment a year ago:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/219995.page#405305

Or are you going to say that Yakface was screwing with us, and putting money on the line just for posturing?
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Oh, yeah, when you ask to reconcile "NOT within a year" and "at least a year away", you realize that both of those statements are compatible, right? They're just two different ways of saying the same thing - it is possible that DE will get a Codex, but no sooner than October 2010. But note that NOBODY, not even Brimstone, is confirming that DE will ever release.

And that's the crux of things.

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The notion of me being wrong on DE is a ridiculously stupid thing to say in light of the actual facts. We've already passed the 1-year anniversary of my bet with Yakface (Oct. 2009), and are closing in on the 2-year anniversary of the GD Spain at which Juan Diaz' Haemonculi test pieces were revealed (Feb. 2010), and have just gotten word that DE are yet another year away (Oct. 2010 at the earliest). Assuming DE actually get a Codex.

If you want some pics from GD look this , is the scenery that we had builded for this event

Is Ramilies class starport for 40k

Wow, nice bit of scenery there.

Kilkrazy wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:So do Necrons, Sisters, and Inquisition - only moreso.

Exactly.

Too many Spase Marienz (Hurrr!) and too few of everything else.

Sorta.

There's room to split the CSM into Big 4 and MoCU, for one more flavor of SM.

But the real problem is a paucity of GEQs, which is why I'd like to see Ad Mech and Chaos Guard to expand the options, along with a proper refocus on Sisters and Inquisition as separate forces when they get redone. Add sneaky Hrud to the mix as Space Skaven, and S5 T3 Space Beastmen, and we might have some real traction for variety.

Fateweaver wrote:But if Brimstone has it on authority that DE are being redone than I will consider it as fact.
Have faith, if GW wanted to Squat them they'd have done so by now.

Maybe thats why their redoing nids? To say that they ate them

GW said I long time ago tht they had been working on DE for ages. But they kept bouncing the codex back at the writer because it was acceptable. So maybe Phil talking bout getting the project in the future tense was him being given it as the other guy/guys couldn't cut it.

Still doesn't mean it won't get Squated, or that it'll be out soon. But if they can write a book that will help sell good plastic kits, they'll do it.

insaniak wrote:
Possibly more surprised that people were still asking about it (rather than they they remembered it) given that they said 4 or 5 years ago that Xenos wouldn't get their own book, but would instead be included when they got around to redoing the Inquisition as a single book.

The whole single book notion was something denied at one point. GW seems to be going the direction of GK and SOB with there own books and nothing said on the Inquisitors.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Alpharius wrote:That's no highlight for me!

It makes me sad...

I'm surprised you didn't already know that Alpha.

It's not just Alien Hunters that aren't on their To Do list, Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters are no longer on their To Do list either. Codex: Grey Knights and Codex: Sisters of Battle are, but say good bye to anything but Generic Inquisitors from the 'Inquisitorial' side of things.

I know, it is just that I am still in denial, OK?

I still dream of being able to take an Inquisitorial retinue that has variety and character when they re-do these forces.

Silly, I know!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

But the real problem is a paucity of GEQs, which is why I'd like to see Ad Mech and Chaos Guard to expand the options, along with a proper refocus on Sisters and Inquisition as separate forces when they get redone. Add sneaky Hrud to the mix as Space Skaven, and S5 T3 Space Beastmen, and we might have some real traction for variety.

JHDD, I KNOW you don't think that this will actually happen, right???

aka_mythos wrote:

insaniak wrote:
Possibly more surprised that people were still asking about it (rather than they they remembered it) given that they said 4 or 5 years ago that Xenos wouldn't get their own book, but would instead be included when they got around to redoing the Inquisition as a single book.

The whole single book notion was something denied at one point. GW seems to be going the direction of GK and SOB with there own books and nothing said on the Inquisitors.

And again, this makes me sad.

Inquisitors will almost certainly get relegated to an afterthought barely fleshed out HQ/Elite choice in the GK and SoB books...

Oh well, we had fun while it lasted, right?

JohnHwangDD wrote:Jes (and Phil) were said to be working on DE more than a year ago. Under the watchful eye of the GW's Inquisition, Phil has since disavowed such progress.

And as the other poster noted, DE were rumored to follow the Eldar update in 2006.

So far, I've never lost betting against the DE, so I don't know why "this time, it's different".

It's not a rumour it's a fact. Jes and Jervis confirmed that Jes was (currently) working on Dark Eldar in the podcast (still available on the GW website IIRC). Given that there are no facts concerning a Necron release or work being done on them available to us I quite legitimately speculated that Dark Eldar will come before Necrons.

To recap.

Fact:
Jes is (was) working on the Dark Eldar models
Speculation:
Dark Eldar will be released before Necrons
Dark Eldar will ever be released
In joke:
Dark Eldar will be released Saturday 9th October 2010

According to the Aztec calendar the DE will be release Dec 21, 2012.....

Actually the way GW is handling releases you really can not believe anything anybody says in an interview or group session. They flat out lied about space hulk 2 weeks before the release.

My understanding in the delay of the DE is NOT with the sculpts or the rules but a concern over the market and sales level of the current DE line. I dont think they understand how much they squash a market when they keep rumoring of releases (preventing people from buying old crappy stuff) AND remove the old crappy line from the stores heheh.

I want to see the INQ and the DE get a new Dex but will not believe any release date until officially announce. The reality is (and this REALLY hurts to say) is that John has a point about the official information updates. We really can not believe anything GW says until it hits a news release as they have been so deceitful lately you can not differentiate fact from fiction.

Assuming that Games Day 2010 events live up to the promise of being good, exciting shows again like most Games Days before this year's disappointing shows, it appears that the days of serious product previews and seminars are over under the current marketing plans. Unless there is a major shift in attitude within GW higher management, it seems that large scale previews and detailed upcoming product seminars, even at Games Day events, are as dead as the Squat model range.

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

insaniak wrote:
Possibly more surprised that people were still asking about it (rather than they they remembered it) given that they said 4 or 5 years ago that Xenos wouldn't get their own book, but would instead be included when they got around to redoing the Inquisition as a single book.

The whole single book notion was something denied at one point. GW seems to be going the direction of GK and SOB with there own books and nothing said on the Inquisitors.

And again, this makes me sad.

Inquisitors will almost certainly get relegated to an afterthought barely fleshed out HQ/Elite choice in the GK and SoB books...

I kinda agree with you, but I also understand why GW would do this. I kinda picture it this way, Inquisitors are probably the closest thing to something like the CIA or other agency that while they themselves maintain a para-military presence they themselves are not front line troops. They have dedicated military assets set asside to aid them, when those are needed. There are a whole bunch of justification for why you'd have Inquisitors present or participating, but that is different from having an entire army that revolves around them. The Inquisition has the Grey Knights and SoB (and Deathwatch) so they don't need to be on the frontline, so why would an Inquisitor then want to go and be on the front line risking assets and personnel they'd collected for many years and would better serve the Imperium by working behind the scenes. By trimming down on the Inquisitor aspects of those armies it clears way for more to be done with what is at the core of those armies. Inquisitors have a place it just won't be as strong of one.

Moopy wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Lol.. Brimstone said we will see DE at the end of 2010 at the SOONEST..

Soonest being the weasel word. They could be out in 2030 and that statement would still be accurate.

It's not intended to be a weasal word but they could be the first codex in 2011 these things are interchangeable that far out.

The question is, interchangeable with what?

George Spiggott wrote:The question is, interchangeable with what?

Now that would be telling.

So the best way to think about Dark Eldar is that the Studio obviously wants to do them but somehow the design process keeps hitting a snag at approval, probably by bean counters. I hope that when there is a final decision made, GW comes out and explains what happened and why instead of letting us all believe that they are among some of the biggest teases in history.

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:But the real problem is a paucity of GEQs, which is why I'd like to see Ad Mech and Chaos Guard to expand the options, along with a proper refocus on Sisters and Inquisition as separate forces when they get redone. Add sneaky Hrud to the mix as Space Skaven, and S5 T3 Space Beastmen, and we might have some real traction for variety.

JHDD, I KNOW you don't think that this will actually happen, right???

This thread is packed to the gills with unfounded speculation and blatant wishlisting. If people can wish for a DE Codex, I can wish for Chaos Guard, Ad Mech, Sisters, Inquisition, Hrud, and Beasts.
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Alpharius wrote:Inquisitors will almost certainly get relegated to an afterthought barely fleshed out HQ/Elite choice in the GK and SoB books...

Hopefully, Inquisitors are *entirely* removed from the next Sisters of Battle Codex, to be only available in Codex: Inquisistion & friends (ISTs, DW, & GK, with generic SM/IG allies)

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George Spiggott wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:So far, I've never lost betting against the DE, so I don't know why "this time, it's different".

It's not a rumour it's a fact.

Everything you have been told is a lie!

If it's a fact, then someone can show something real. Otherwise, it's just more of the same hot air that GW's been blowing for years.

Fact:
Jes claimed to have been working on Dark Eldar models
Phil claimed to want to work on a Dark Eldar Codex
Disproven:
Juan Diaz Haemonculi mean DE would be released after GD Spain (Feb 2008)
DE will release after GD LA (Oct 2008)
Speculation:
Dark Eldar will ever be released
Dark Eldar will be released before Necrons
In joke:
Dark Eldar will be released Monday 11th October 2010, after I get my dollar from Yakface!