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We need to get discussions going if were going to root out the traitors among us.

So everyone tell there story, how, why and when they got here. What previous God Machines they have, seen and worked on.


(OOC: I'l post my story tomorow)

Well, my name Orkeosaurus, or at least that's what everybody calls me. I used to be a reserve driver for a Knight Class Titan. (I only used it twice, and didn't engage any serious opposition with it.)

I was selected to come aboard this titan due to my prior experience in handling onboard emergencies. Unfortunately, this is not the kind of thing I really know how to deal with.

::Turns to Lord-Loss::

Moderati Thor, reporting here. ::salutes:: Native of Mars. I studied in the schola in order to earn the right to serve the great holy machines in order that I might serve as the Emperor's Fist by smiting the heretic. I graduated 47th in my class with special honors in operation of the adjunct drive processor and secondary training in reprocessing of drill bore bits compatible in Imperator Class sections 1-12, 47, and the third subsector of section 128 though we are not meant to wonder about the seeming irregularity of the part in that area. So it is written ::rubs aquila symbol on chain around neck.:: I served with honors as 1st Adjutant of the second knee joint of the Ignum Corvus for the first eight cycles of my tour. I received letters of commendation both for my efficiency in organizing the servitors in the sub-sector and for overall optimal knee efficiency no less then seven times. With those commendations I was allowed a cross promotion trade into the tertiary spine chute where I served liaison duties with the master of the aft Void array and the coordinator station at the helm. I was awarded the Decius Cross for actions above and beyond the call of duty when we walked upon Terron Secundus. During that action there were heavy casualties and unfortunately the God Machine was sorely wounded. Thus, like many of you I imagine, I was reassigned to this vessel as a last minute attempt to Walk against Abbadon's newest abomination of a crusade ::rubs aquila nnecklace.:: With the mark of dignity my newly awarded medal gave me along with familiarity with the crew duties of Moderati I was given a battlefield promotion in order that we could walk against the traitor legions of the 13th Crusade without delay. I would very much like to serve with enough distinction to maintain the battlefield promotion, since otherwise I believe my career path shall be truncated into Captain of the Right Knee - which though a glorious and noble position, does not serve as an optimal usage of my training to this point.

As to what has been said so far;

I do concur that for the moment it seems wise to keep the laspistol out of anyone in specific's grip until we can come to some sort of agreement about whom should be shot. It is only when agreement has been made that we should allow the pistol to be controlled by someone, and they should only shoot whom the group has chosen.

I also believe I endorse not sending out servo-skulls too rashly. It is grim, but I agree that our odds of finding the evil amongst us would be increased by winnowing out some of the options before we use up our limited number of skulls. With only four skulls it seems our optimum play would be to wait until later and then try to deploy them all at once, that way at least some results would get back to us. Does anyone have any further thoughts or disagreements on that score? The only advantage to sending them out early might be to find someone worthy of holding the laspistol - since if we can confirm loyalty I'm sure we'd all feel safer with a loyalist holding the gun, right?

Please, by all means, send the Servo skull after me, but do not take away the laspistol.

That seems a little odd. Why would you invite him to investigate you, but beg that he doesn't take the laspistol away? Is it really so important you control it?

((Edit: Realized my back story was incompatible with Manchu's backstory discussion and cleaned it up least I be called traitor for not reading the backstory clearly enough when making up my own.))

I'm Mekboy, and I'm just a mere Titan Crewman. I came from the planet Medusa Prime. I doubt any of you will have heard of it, it's somewhat small and insignificant. Anyway, I joined the Holy Adeptus Mechanicus, and that lead to me being aboard this holy ship.

Im from the planet of Plantenus Rofus, a very small world.

I was picked up by Adept Ignor while he was with a Imperial Guard expedition force. I studied under him for thirty years.

Lord-Loss wrote:What previous God Machines they have, seen and worked on.

How come you didn't answer your own question?

The Vengence of Mars a Reaver class titan given to Leman Russ by the Adeptus Mechanicus after his liberation of Mars during the Horus Heresy, a Glorious Machine with countless felled heretic titans under its banner of records. I was responsible for maintaining the weapon systems of the great machine, but during a particularly violent volley of attacks from chaos forces the stabilizers in the waist failed and the titan toppled over, while in the prone position chaos forces crawled over the backside, tearing into plasteel and ceremite, ripping apart critical components. A large group of Blood Claws cleared the chaos forces nearby and an Iron Priest by the name of Kaelyn saved nearly all of the crew, myself included, by ripping open an escape hatch with his servo-arm.

I was then sent back to Mars and given this position here aboard this titan, which although it has no ties to Russ, it is still bearing the word of the All-Father, so I will submit to my duty untill a time presents itself for me to return to my proper training.

I have seen many God-machines, as Ingor was very respected adept. But I have only worked on one, which is the Reaver Titan Emperor's Pride.

Demogerg wrote:I was responsible for maintaining the weapon systems of the great machine,

A weapons system master? If only we were all so gifted, but ours is not to question, so it is written. ::rubs at aquila symbol::

I do note that you chose not to respond to my question to you. Is it your training on weapons systems that made you so eager to hold the laspistol? Also, again, why was it you wished us to investigate you but not to take away the laspistol?

Thor665 wrote:
I do note that you chose not to respond to my question to you. Is it your training on weapons systems that made you so eager to hold the laspistol? Also, again, why was it you wished us to investigate you but not to take away the laspistol?

My eagerness to hold the laspistol comes from various sources. I desire to save this Great Machine from destruction, and thus serve the Omnimessiah, I desire to destroy the heretics abound, and thus serve the Emperor, and I desire to survive this encounter, to fpllow through and maintain the Great Machines of the Space Wolves, and thus serve Leman Russ.

I wish for you to investigate me to prove my innocence. Even if I am killed as a result of treachery, I will have served the Emperor to help the rest of you root out the heretics, just do not let my death go to waste if it comes to that.

(OOC: Better a cool-headed loyalist have the Laspistol than a heretic who we cannot trust, I suspect that the first person to actually FIRE the laspistol at someone would be the heretic, and using the Servo-Skulls early would be a better use of our resources)

EDITED FOR SPELLING.

(OOC: I like this thread, I am able to copy/paste the backstory I have for my heavily converted Iron Priest model for myself, and the Backstory for my scratchbuilt titan as part of his backstory. WIN!)

I think we all (well, aside from the heretics) want to save the God Machine and hunt the heretics amongst us. But your logic of 'investigate me, but don't take the laspistol because I'm a loyalist' isn't any good. If you had suggested we investigate you and, upon the clearing of your name we should let you have the laspistol I couldn't disagree. However you think we should leave you in control of the laspistol right now simply because you say you're loyal? I still don't understand why it's so vital the laspistol is left in your hands instead of on the ground or in Schrodinger's box.

Demogerg wrote:(OOC: using the Servo-Skulls early would be a better use of our resources)

((OOC - responding OOC since you didn't say this in character - both myself and Valhallan42nd posited that it would serve us better to use the servo skulls later rather then earlier. If you're offering up the opposite viewpoint then please at least explain the logic of why using them now instead of later is a better idea.))

Thor665 wrote:I think we all (well, aside from the heretics) want to save the God Machine and hunt the heretics amongst us. But your logic of 'investigate me, but don't take the laspistol because I'm a loyalist' isn't any good. If you had suggested we investigate you and, upon the clearing of your name we should let you have the laspistol I couldn't disagree. However you think we should leave you in control of the laspistol right now simply because you say you're loyal? I still don't understand why it's so vital the laspistol is left in your hands instead of on the ground or in Schrodinger's box.

Demogerg wrote:(OOC: using the Servo-Skulls early would be a better use of our resources)

((OOC - responding OOC since you didn't say this in character - both myself and Valhallan42nd posited that it would serve us better to use the servo skulls later rather then earlier. If you're offering up the opposite viewpoint then please at least explain the logic of why using them now instead of later is a better idea.))

Let it be clear I am 100% ok with the laspistol being unavailable to be fired by anyone at the moment. The position we are in at the moment is stable, as long as no one else fights to gain control of the pistol. I found myself in an opprotune moment (OOC: near midnight on friday) and i took the initiative to prevent immediate bloodshed.

(OOC: we have 4 Servo Skulls to use, we have 5 lives to go through, assuming that the first person dead will be innocent of heresy that leaves us at an 4-4 split of skulls to lives. If we wait untill that point then it would be easier for the heretics to lie, cooperate, and collaborate their story against us loyalists. I say we use the skulls now, get the information out there, then use the dead to track down the heretics. as opposed to letting the heretics run wild untill we have to rely on each others word to bring them to justice.)

In our situation we want as much information out in the open as possible, the earlier we get this information the better. Those who would see us burn will want to hide the information untill they can spin it into their use.

Also, it is in the heretics best interest to prevent the knowledge of their heresy from escaping, with less innocents to vote it would be easier for them to stay the skulls from use entirely.

Demogerg wrote:Let it be clear I am 100% ok with the laspistol being unavailable to be fired by anyone at the moment. The position we are in at the moment is stable, as long as no one else fights to gain control of the pistol. I found myself in an opprotune moment (OOC: near midnight on friday) and i took the initiative to prevent immediate bloodshed.

So you grabbed the laspistol first to prevent bloodshed. Okay. And when you cried out that you should be left in control of the laspistol it was simply because you knew you were loyal and thought Valhallan might be a heretic? I guess that makes some sense, though i will note it doesn't seem to prove any truth to you not being a Heretic either. After all, a heretic would know if they just grabbed the gun and fired they'd look mighty suspicious. In any case I wish you'd clarified yourself sooner on that score as it did look odd with your insistence on being in control of the laspisto (and still does)l. If I'm misstating your thoughts/goals in any of the above please correct me.

I say we use the skulls now, get the information out there, then use the dead to track down the heretics. as opposed to letting the heretics run wild untill we have to rely on each others word to bring them to justice.)

((OOC - So, as I understand it - your belief is that we should release all the servo skulls *now* We should investigate four people with them. Then, depending on who does or does not die we'll know who the heretics are, or at least be closer to that goal? Does this or does this not include the strategy of shooting someone with the laspistol this turn? Also, it seems we'd have to do a lot of work to figure out who should or should not be scanned by servo skulls and be the person receiving the information from servo skulls. The problem I see, to a certain extent, is we're obligated to have two servo skulls investigate the same person to ensure accurate results since otherwise we might have a Heretic at the other end of the servo skull giving false results of some kind to the rest of us. Your thoughts?))

In our situation we want as much information out in the open as possible, the earlier we get this information the better.

((OOC - I cannot fault this logic and agree fully. I just think we're more likely to have accurate information via a later servo skull deployment then an earlier one. Though I'll admit I don't feel as strong on that as I did earlier.

Also, just to get this out in the open...))

::rubs aquila symbol::

Clearly our use of the servo skulls is important in finding the heretics amongst us - would you all please weigh in on what you think the best options are? Is it early deployment, or saving them for later that will aid us best?

Thor665 wrote:
So you grabbed the laspistol first to prevent bloodshed. Okay. And when you cried out that you should be left in control of the laspistol it was simply because you knew you were loyal and thought Valhallan might be a heretic? I guess that makes some sense, though i will note it doesn't seem to prove any truth to you not being a Heretic either. After all, a heretic would know if they just grabbed the gun and fired they'd look mighty suspicious. In any case I wish you'd clarified yourself sooner on that score as it did look odd with your insistence on being in control of the laspisto (and still does)l. If I'm misstating your thoughts/goals in any of the above please correct me.

I dont think I ever actually cried out to be left in control of the laspistol, I just simply dont trust any of you, the only person I CAN trust is myself, and I would rather be here locked in control for a laspistol with no chance of firing it, than over there, where a stray pistol shot could easily kill me. (OOC: fluff wise, I am safer fighting for the pistol than standing around doing nothing)

and again, I dont want to have full control over the laspistol because I understand that none of you trust me, rather being in the situation we are in right now is more ideal. If it would quell fears as to my loyalty I will drop the pistol, but at the same time, I do not trust that YOU are not a heretic, who is simply grasping for straws at one who would rather be in control of his own destiny.

Thor665 wrote:
((OOC - So, as I understand it - your belief is that we should release all the servo skulls *now* We should investigate four people with them. Then, depending on who does or does not die we'll know who the heretics are, or at least be closer to that goal? Does this or does this not include the strategy of shooting someone with the laspistol this turn? Also, it seems we'd have to do a lot of work to figure out who should or should not be scanned by servo skulls and be the person receiving the information from servo skulls. The problem I see, to a certain extent, is we're obligated to have two servo skulls investigate the same person to ensure accurate results since otherwise we might have a Heretic at the other end of the servo skull giving false results of some kind to the rest of us. Your thoughts?))

simple logic really, we do NOT double up on skulls on a single target, we spread them out, with 9 players and 4 servo skulls we can get results directly involving 8 out of the 9 players. 4 of these will be directly related to each player being a heretic or not, and the other 4 will be reflex based on what any future murder results reveal. Also, if we use all 4 now, and get supremely lucky and 2 innocents find out the status of 2 heretics, then the heretics would have no choice but to murder one of the innocents, else be found and lose, at which point we will know who to kill. If the heretics are the ones who get the information for the innocents then they can either vote to reveal that they are indeed innocent (which gives neither positive nor negative reflection on them) or try to suede us to thinking that they are heretics, and upon their death and reveal of being innocent we will know who the heretic is, as an innocent has no reason to lie.
We do not use the pistol untill we get to a critical point where 2 people have evidence stacked against them, but we only have 1 night left to win. The pistol is a last resort, our own lives are key to winning, and throwing them away is not in my opinion the correct way to survive.

Thor665 wrote:
((OOC - I cannot fault this logic and agree fully. I just think we're more likely to have accurate information via a later servo skull deployment then an earlier one. Though I'll admit I don't feel as strong on that as I did earlier.

Also, just to get this out in the open...))

::rubs aquila symbol::

Clearly our use of the servo skulls is important in finding the heretics amongst us - would you all please weigh in on what you think the best options are? Is it early deployment, or saving them for later that will aid us best?

I vote we spread the servo skulls around now, and either get lucky and win, or have lots more information to sort through and deduce who the heretics are.

Demogerg wrote:I dont think I ever actually cried out to be left in control of the laspistol,

Demogerg wrote:Please, by all means, send the Servo skull after me, but do not take away the laspistol.

((OOC - Emphasis mine))

Demogerg wrote:(OOC: fluff wise, I am safer fighting for the pistol than standing around doing nothing)

((OOC - I disagree with that assessment (Valhallan is the 'least safe' and everyone else is roughly equal), but it's inconsequential at the moment.))

::rubs aquila symbol:: His otherwise suspicious actions aside, I am coming around to agreeing with Demogerg as far as the disposition of the servo skulls go.

Thor665 wrote:

Demogerg wrote:I dont think I ever actually cried out to be left in control of the laspistol,

Demogerg wrote:Please, by all means, send the Servo skull after me, but do not take away the laspistol.

((OOC - Emphasis mine))

Demogerg wrote:(OOC: fluff wise, I am safer fighting for the pistol than standing around doing nothing)

((OOC - I disagree with that assessment (Valhallan is the 'least safe' and everyone else is roughly equal), but it's inconsequential at the moment.))

::rubs aquila symbol:: His otherwise suspicious actions aside, I am coming around to agreeing with Demogerg as far as the disposition of the servo skulls go.

To help alive suspicions against myself, and in recognition of my own error, Demogerg releases his grasp on the Laspistol

but I suggest you find someone else to hold it still against Valhallan, and I plea that no one fire the Pistol unless the game comes down to a last-night circumstance, time works in Favor of the Loyalists in this game, and firing the pistol only helps them

Um, I'd prefer if the pistol had stayed in the box. That said I think I will now suggest that nobody pick up the pistol and we leave it laying on the ground until we come to some conclusion about who we can or cannot trust.

((OOC - If somebody picks it up then whoever posts next make sure you post to wrest it away from them.))

Is there any particular reason you see Valhallan as less trustworthy then anyone else?

Wrests pistol from Valhallan42nd

((OOC - it just occured to me a release isn't a drop, so I wasn't sure if maybe Valhallan now had the pistol, this is just in case he does.))

((Very good point and, moreover, one that I did not cover. A drop when there is a wrest results in the wresting party controlling the laspistol AND ABLE TO USE IT IMMEDIATELY. A drop when there are two wresters away results in the two wresters struggling with one another EVEN IF THERE IS A DEFENDER. The defender role immediately ceases, i.e., the defender never has a hand on the laspistol. In this case, Val still has the pistol and you are grappling with him.))

((OOC - So to clarify - currently Valhallan "holds" the laspistol and I am attempting to wrest it away. (putting me in the risky spot, ::mutter, mutter::') But in any case, for the nonce the laspistol is in the box, and I accept that as a good thing.))

I think Demogerg's thoughts about the skulls definately bears some consideration. We just need to make sure we spread the skulls out as much as possible. In any case, I do think they should be used all at once or the targets/receivers will simply be killed that night. In addition, their usage will give us patterns of behavior to observe to determine who the heretics are, something we are currently lacking.

OOC: Things are pretty crazy in RL atm, so I won't be commenting too much.

((OOC - just so long as we get some of your insight later I suppose we'll allow this "real life" thing to distract you from what's important - y'know, online forum games.))

I don't think anyone disagrees with you Gornall, we all realize our best option is to release all the servo skulls at one point. The real question is simply when that point is. At the moment I believe I agree with Demogerg that the time should probably be sooner rather then later as that will give us information we do not otherwise have. Valhallan may still be standing by his plot of waiting to later, which doesn't seem a bad one either. We're still working at trying to get some consensus on if we should send skulls now or later, and we should probably also be discussing who should be scanned and who should perform the scanning - there's undoubtedly a manner that will be more beneficial to us and hurtful to the heretics - it's just a matter of figuring out what it is.

So I have the pistol now?

This is not what I wanted.

Still, we do have time to figure this out.

As for me, I recently been promoted from the forges of Gryphone IV, where I was blessed with the task of Fabrication of the Holy Machines of the Blessed Omnissiah. I was very excited to be assigned to the maintainence of the Blessed Titan. Up until the Princeps was assassinated, of course.

Keeping the laspistol neutral is in the loyalist's best interests. And as horrible as it sounds, I think that holding off on deploying the skulls until the second day cycle makes more sense.

Let's make a ground rule here; anyone who shoots someone without there being a majority vote for it, or without it coming dangerously close to nightfall, gets shot next day.

For the skulls, we should definitely send them out this turn or the next. Any later will make them less useful to us, we won't have enough room for error.

Valhallan42nd wrote:So I have the pistol now?

No, you do not, I am currently trying to wrest it away from you. I understand I do not work out very often but I would have thought you would have noticed my violent struggles to claim it from your grasp even as we have this conversation.

Your desire to keep it neutral and not trying to shoot anyone is noted happily. The fact you thought you controlled it and didn't drop it or request wresting is also noted.

So you concur that we should send out the servo skulls soon but not just now ((Game Day 2)) and Orkeo more or less agrees with both groups ((either Game Day 1 or Game Day 2 but no later)). I'm not sure how big of a change it will make waiting only that little bit ((till Game Day 2)) so I think I'll keep my vote for deployment as soon as possible. If soon is good, soonest is best. ((I'm voting for Game Day 1 deployment))


((OOC - Skull release day suggestions

2.5 - Deploy skulls Day 1 - Thor665, Demogerg (half vote Orkeo)
1.5 - Deploy skulls Day 2 - Valhallan (half vote Orkeo)

Hopefully everyone else can weigh in once the week starts and we'll be able to get some skulls in the air.))

Thor665,

Despite your assertions, I do have primary possession of the pistol, since Demogerg relenquished control of the pistol. Will I use it? No, not without a group consensous. Quite frankly, it's better to have it in the possession of someone trustworthy, like myself.

If it is a figurative "loose cannon", then the traitors could gain it and thus attempt to kill one of us, before anyone could stop us.

The combination of your attempt to release the skulls when they have greater odds of failing is telling, and your devisive suggestions are putting you on my short list of suspects.

There would be a hell of a lot of backlash against someone using the pistol now. I wouldn't worry too much at this point in time.

Valhallan42nd wrote:Thor665,

Despite your assertions, I do have primary possession of the pistol, since Demogerg relenquished control of the pistol.

Well...primary possession with me currently wresting it so that you cannot use it - yes.

If it is a figurative "loose cannon", then the traitors could gain it and thus attempt to kill one of us, before anyone could stop us.

I agree with Orkeo's thought, that it would raise instant and total suspicion if someone simply fired the gun. That said, I have fully supported the gun being in the box from the beginning.

your attempt to release the skulls when they have greater odds of failing is telling,

My attempt? Interesting re-write of history. Initially I supported your plan (which wasn't suspicious at all as long as I agreed with you) but then Demogerg came up with his idea and explained it well. I came around to agreeing with him as did roughly 50% of Orkeo. So, if I'm evil for having this plan I must be a true mastermind by getting Demogerg to suggest it for me, and Orkeo to buy into it as at least as good as your plan. Also - your plan now includes fairly early release ((Game Day 2)) and I do not see how that will be any huge difference in effectiveness from a release now ((Game Day 1))

((OOC- I also note it's not till Game Night 1 that the Heretics can start talking to each other - doesn't it behoove us to release before they can get together and plan something? I think so.))

and your devisive suggestions are putting you on my short list of suspects.

What divisive suggestions?

Thor665 wrote:

and your divisive suggestions are putting you on my short list of suspects.

What divisive suggestions?

thor665 wrote:The fact you thought you controlled it and didn't drop it or request wresting is also noted.

Indeed, I did begin the process to release a skull as soon as demogerg picked the pistol up. It was a moment of panic, to be honest. As for the skulls, if we deploy them now, then we have an approx. 44% chance of finding at least one traitor amongst us. If we take two casualties, then it goes up to 57.142% chance, a significant increase. Assuming two casualties per cycle, day 3 would be 80%, but at that point, I would posit that the risk of the traitors being able to manipulate the results would dilute the process.