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I enjoy explaining to vegans about how plants can send out distress and injury signals that can be interpretted by other plants, and responded to. So why the arbitrary moral line? Also, should you intentionally immunocompromise yourself so you stop mercilessly slaughtering bajillions of parasites and bacteria?
Aren't you a bit of a hypocrite otherwise?
Ahhh, vegan nutjobs, truly the most amusing of all nutjobs.

When formed, PETA was an incredibly worthy cause. It went off the deep end with this nonsense and completely lost its message. Now no one cares.

Instead of focusing on treatment of animals in labs, and to extension, farms, it went berserk and became a laughing stock, and made those who support those causes laughing stocks. Now there is no real spokesman.

SPCA
Small
Portable
Crunchy
Aniamls

On a nother note, If you want have fun at there expense, remind them that Jello is a Meat By-Prodict

Anpu42 wrote:SPCA
Small
Portable
Crunchy
Aniamls

On a nother note, If you want have fun at there expense, remind them that Jello is a Meat By-Prodict

Watch it buddy. The SPCA is a shelter agency that does what it can for stray animals. Unless you do the good they do then Shut the f Up. Seriously.

Can't beat a good bit of beef. Preferably a big, juicy chunk.

I have never really understood the populatiry of turkey. The only way it is good is smoked slices for sandwiches.

SilverMK2 wrote:Can't beat a good bit of beef. Preferably a big, juicy chunk.

I have never really understood the populatiry of turkey. The only way it is good is smoked slices for sandwiches.

God smoked turkey can be excellent. Agreed though, Beef is BEEF.

Frazzled wrote:God smoked turkey can be excellent. Agreed though, Beef is BEEF.

Beef for the BEEFCAKE!

Frazzled wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:SPCA
Small
Portable
Crunchy
Aniamls

On a nother note, If you want have fun at there expense, remind them that Jello is a Meat By-Prodict

Watch it buddy. The SPCA is a shelter agency that does what it can for stray animals. Unless you do the good they do then Shut the f Up. Seriously.

Sorry if I ofended. This is one of the ones we came up with a 3:00 AM at a Furry Con one year. This were we got our last 3 dogs from.

I only ever eat turkey when i was at Uni, purely because it was cheaper than chicken. I'm not really a fan but then again if you offered me 'any' food I would be happy to eat it.


Beef is the don.

Anpu42 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:SPCA
Small
Portable
Crunchy
Aniamls

On a nother note, If you want have fun at there expense, remind them that Jello is a Meat By-Prodict

Watch it buddy. The SPCA is a shelter agency that does what it can for stray animals. Unless you do the good they do then Shut the f Up. Seriously.

Sorry if I ofended. This is one of the ones we came up with a 3:00 AM at a Furry Con one year. This were we got our last 3 dogs from.

Word.

Frazzled wrote:When formed, PETA was an incredibly worthy cause. It went off the deep end with this nonsense and completely lost its message. Now no one cares.

Instead of focusing on treatment of animals in labs, and to extension, farms, it went berserk and became a laughing stock, and made those who support those causes laughing stocks. Now there is no real spokesman.

Tbh I'm not sure PETA has ever recovered from the madness of Heather Mills, well in the UK anyways. I remember when she was their most active voice/face at a time when most folks over here had really had enough of her.

r3n3g8b0y wrote:well, unfortunately that's true
the only reason why we don't care is because we don't have to see them getting tortured, that's why i support organic and freerange meat/eggs
...no reason to go vegan though...

You know in Australia the only legal difference between "free range" chickens and otherwise is an extra 5 feet of pen to run around in? Or so says my father who lives in Australia, anyway :p Regardless, that's the same thing as buying "green" items. The producers will do as little as possible, sometimes even nothing, so they can sell a product for more in attempt to ease your conscience.

George Spiggott wrote:Rubbish, turkey is one of the worst meats there is.

qft, I only eat dirty bird once a year, and that's only because it's tradition, and I seem to be the only person in my family who does not like turkey. It's bland, tasteless, and if you don't pay attention it turns into dried cardboard in the oven.

Frazzled wrote:
God smoked turkey can be excellent.

I'm actually getting a smoker next week, but I've heard that smoking the bird can be pretty hard to do. Any tips Frazz?

Lint wrote:
qft, I only eat dirty bird once a year, and that's only because it's tradition, and I seem to be the only person in my family who does not like turkey. It's bland, tasteless, and if you don't pay attention it turns into dried cardboard in the oven.

My annual solution is to cover the turkey in this:



As for PETA, they've never really bothered me. Their message isn't necessarily incorrect in that, if you believe suffering to be bad, then causing suffering should be considered immoral. If causing suffering is immoral, then doing so without reason continues to be immoral. If you push this to the logical extreme, as there is no necessary reason to eat meat (beyond preference, which most people don't seem to consider sufficient to justify the infliction of pain), then there is also no reason to cause suffering. Therefore anyone who eats meat is immoral.

They trip up in two places:

1) Preference is sufficient to cause suffering.

2) There is a reason to eat meat beyond preference. Namely that soy beans can not be cultivated in sufficient numbers to fully replace the global demand for other proteins.

Personally, I think they'd be better off running health based campaigns that urged people to eat less meat, rather than none at all. They need to get away from the whole factory farm thing, as they've tainted their own image through extremism.

dogma wrote:

Lint wrote:
qft, I only eat dirty bird once a year, and that's only because it's tradition, and I seem to be the only person in my family who does not like turkey. It's bland, tasteless, and if you don't pay attention it turns into dried cardboard in the oven.

My annual solution is to cover the turkey in this:

The cock sauce? You bet! What man doesn't love the cock sauce squirted all over his food?

JEB_Stuart wrote:The cock sauce?

Yeah, after you stuff the bird you squirt it with the sauce that's sure to sting!

I am going to eat so much turkey tomorrow.

Its going to be epic.

I like turkey! Especially my infamous post-holiday turkey burritos. I've never once put a dry, tasteless turkey on the table. Im off now to buy booze, because what's thanksgiving without an obnoxious drunk who brings up subjects that nobody wants to talk about?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

Frazzled wrote:When formed, PETA was an incredibly worthy cause. It went off the deep end with this nonsense and completely lost its message. Now no one cares.

Instead of focusing on treatment of animals in labs, and to extension, farms, it went berserk and became a laughing stock, and made those who support those causes laughing stocks. Now there is no real spokesman.

Tbh I'm not sure PETA has ever recovered from the madness of Heather Mills, well in the UK anyways. I remember when she was their most active voice/face at a time when most folks over here had really had enough of her.

I figure it's high time to trot out my favorite bit of PETA madness:

The Herald Tribune wrote:The marquee event was Rochelle Thorne's race for the gravesite of Gunther Gebel-Williams, where she planned to dance, dressed as the devil, on the first anniversary of the celebrated animal trainer's death

He was one of the trainers for Ringling Brothers. Stay Classy, PETA.

warpcrafter wrote:I like turkey! Especially my infamous post-holiday turkey burritos. I've never once put a dry, tasteless turkey on the table. Im off now to buy booze, because what's thanksgiving without an obnoxious drunk who brings up subjects that nobody wants to talk about?

Ha, I wish I could do that around my family. It will be an hour drive for me to sit around with a bunch of people who all pretend they wouldn't rather be home actually relaxing. Yay for family :p

Mmmh.. hamburger im having tacos for supper tonight.

BEEF FOR THE BEEF GOD!

And the SPCA is awesome I think I will volunteer there soon. Its within walking distance of my hovel.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/6/18/

I tought that was appropriate

This is more appropriate. Happy Thanksgiving, Dakka!

Over here we have the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals). I'm not sure who else has it, but they aren't about vegetarianism and that gak. They're focused on animal welfare and health, and they run a lot of animal hospitals and pounds. They're pretty cool guys. Tehy caer for animals and don't afraid of anyfing.

George Spiggott wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Turkey is fething tasty.

Rubbish, turkey is one of the worst meats there is.

You need to spice, cook, and use the right gravy and stuffing to make it tasty.

Mattlov wrote:If meat didn't want me to eat it, it wouldn't be so tasty. It would not grill over fire as well, it would not season as well. Meat wants to be eaten.

Agreed. If God didn't want me to eat meat, he wouldn't have made it so delicious!

If we were all vegans, there isn't enough land in the world to grow enough food for everyone. Yes, we create a surplus now of crops, but that is because we eat meat, and don't rely on vegetable and plant matter alone.

Actually, this likely isn't entirely true. It takes a lot of food to feed an animal as it grows up to slaughter weight - the numbers I have seen show a ratio of 10 lbs of feed to 1 lb of animal. So in theory, you could raise 10x as much vegetable food per given area of land as you could meat.

In practice, well, a lot of land used for feeding free-range cattle is unsuitable for farming, so 10x is probably horribly optimistic. But I would be very surprised if you couldn't at least break even.

Alos, I HATE the term "organic" food. ALL FOOD IS ORGANIC!!!!! No matter how it is grown, made, or anything, it is all organic! I don't eat aluminium potatoes, or cobalt cherries.

Good point!

Intersting Fact. PETA is also hated by other animal rights groups for the to peaceful tactics and not going violent.

Vulcan wrote:

Alos, I HATE the term "organic" food. ALL FOOD IS ORGANIC!!!!! No matter how it is grown, made, or anything, it is all organic! I don't eat aluminium potatoes, or cobalt cherries.

Good point!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_food

5 seconds away from googling this you are...

Organic foods, and Fair Trade foods actually have a real meaning. When you get a fancy energy drink that says 'Natural as all hell 101%', that means absolutely nothing. All the company had to do was put it on the label, and wait for people to trick themselves.

I far prefer Fair Trade to Organic, especially when I consider the difference in actual impact. Do I want a family in some random country to eat well, or am I more worried about having 1% more toxins enter my bloodstream, along with the healthy dose of smog I ingest each day.

Fair trade is much more important. If you want organic veggies, grow them in the soil yourself, it's builds character... so you can go out and buy fair trade instead.

Might I just say....

Turducken is the wave of the future. Or just a nice ham. I mean, seriously... meat is great and all but turkey isn't that great.


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Might I just say....

Turducken is the wave of the future. Or just a nice ham. I mean, seriously... meat is great and all but turkey by itself isn't that great.

FOOL! Turbacoduken is the one to rule them all!