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His Master's Voice wrote:Come one, if you really want stuff like that just buy this

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

The trenchers actually look half decent even today, unlike this bunch of creeps.

I have a bag of these and no glue will hold them. Not even green stuff sticks to these

lord_blackfang wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:Come one, if you really want stuff like that just buy this

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

The trenchers actually look half decent even today, unlike this bunch of creeps.

I have a bag of these and no glue will hold them. Not even green stuff sticks to these

What about two part epoxy? have you washed the figs before gluing? Apologies if you have tried this.

The Warzone figures are a really good deal if you want the cheapest possible guys, but they are made out of low quality materials and have very little conversion potential. These WGF guys, on the other hand, look like they are going to be full-on multi-pose plastics, and for a fairly cheap price as well.

I for one like them and will definately pick up a few to check them out.

I might pick up a bag for DH and RT purposes (you may all groan now), but if there's trouble sticking them together properly I might have to look for other, more expensive alternatives for militia and security troopers.

No one will groan. You will simply be burned at the stake for using miniatures in an RPG game.

Fetterkey wrote:The Warzone figures are a really good deal if you want the cheapest possible guys, but they are made out of low quality materials and have very little conversion potential. These WGF guys, on the other hand, look like they are going to be full-on multi-pose plastics, and for a fairly cheap price as well.

Cheap can only go so far. Not far enough in this case for me.

His Master's Voice wrote:Sorry.

Go here

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/index_warzone.html

scroll to "WARZONE - Mutant Chronicles - battle board Games" section and look for "Warzone 80 plastic battle soldiers in bag". 20 Euro.

Models have separate arms. I don't remember if heads are separate too, but I guess they are.

Heads, backpacks and arms are seperate. however they use a harder plastic than GW, normal plastic cement does not work on it, you need plastruct or something.

Also although they are plastic they are not multipose, there's really only 1 way to put them together.


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Ah beaten to the punch...

Do the Warzone minis size up nice enough to GW and other company's minis?

BrookM wrote:Do the Warzone minis size up nice enough to GW and other company's minis?

IIRC the plastics do but the metals are noticibly taller and bulkier.

I really have nothing nice to say about their plastics, you all know I love me some plastics, I've bought some truly hideous things over the years as conversion fodder. I bought exactly 5 of the Warzone plastics and while they look nice enough the glue issue and the lack of conversion just turned me off.

As long as we're talking about alternate plastics I'd plug these guys.

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_64&products_id=432



10 for 5UKP.

I'm looking forward to the WGF guys. Niether of these heads really appeal but I've already seen the gasmask heads and I'm quite happy. The gattling is properly over the top and cool. And I can't wait to see the whole package.

Take a look at the new guy put up then Kid Kyoto!

Sexy!

Hrm, direct link.

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/composition/attachment/0389e33a52097f4aa1c9153792150515/412991/GreatCoatPlastic3.jpg?thumb=1

lord_blackfang wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:Come one, if you really want stuff like that just buy this

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

The trenchers actually look half decent even today, unlike this bunch of creeps.

I have a bag of these and no glue will hold them. Not even green stuff sticks to these

I have a whole IG force of them. Wash the sprues, or at least abrade the plastic before cementing. Mine stay fine.

As for converting, the poses are pretty awkward for adaptation, but YMMV. Mostly you'll want to switch barrels, add variant gun bitz glued on like fuel cannisters etc. on existing arms rather than swapping out for GW arms/guns.

They're not the greatest and would be a waste of time for anything you want to be really presentable, but they're a great choice for a budget IG horde or Inquisition Stormtroopers.

Wow, talk about these models being run into the ground.

Those shoulder pads are horrific.

Vertrucio wrote:Wow, talk about these models being run into the ground.

Those shoulder pads are horrific.

Follow Kid_Kyoto's link 2 posts up, they rapidly fixed the shoulder pads due to everyones feed back about how ugly the 1st pair were. The new render has much improved shoulder pads, and a gas mask head, very cool looking.

Shoulder pads are better. Kind of like Id rather be shot in the shoulder than in the head.

I seriously believe in bringing solutions not problems. So make the pads a separate piece so customers can add them or not.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:1: If you want greatcoat use Krieg as the basis... they used french WW1 with breastplates and they look excellent.
2: Get rid of the giant pirate gloves on the first model. Look ridiculous.
3: Shoulder pads look ridiculous. Again, check out the krieg models, they have them, but are appropriate for the type of trooper.

I think you would be better served sculpting decent minotaur models after seeing the lame GW ones.

Wait, was this directed at me? If you're insinuating I sculpted these, I'm afraid you're mistaken. Just plugging these models since they've been anticipated for a while.

Also, that new pointing arm they're showing is awkward as hell.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Sexy!

Hrm, direct link.

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/composition/attachment/0389e33a52097f4aa1c9153792150515/412991/GreatCoatPlastic3.jpg?thumb=1

That's not bad. I'd rotate the pointing hand inwards to get a more natural pose, but that's easily accomplished.

Savnock wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:Come one, if you really want stuff like that just buy this

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

The trenchers actually look half decent even today, unlike this bunch of creeps.

I have a bag of these and no glue will hold them. Not even green stuff sticks to these

I have a whole IG force of them. Wash the sprues, or at least abrade the plastic before cementing. Mine stay fine.

As for converting, the poses are pretty awkward for adaptation, but YMMV. Mostly you'll want to switch barrels, add variant gun bitz glued on like fuel cannisters etc. on existing arms rather than swapping out for GW arms/guns.

They're not the greatest and would be a waste of time for anything you want to be really presentable, but they're a great choice for a budget IG horde or Inquisition Stormtroopers.

I have 160 Warzone guys with more coming and I´m quite happy with them. There are only a couple poses but I managed to build them without much trouble and used some GW bits for special weapons. Now the task of painting them is truly daunting.

About the WF great coats I´m not very keen on the shoulder pads, either single or none at all would have been better, still once the final sprue comes out I might grab a couple for special guys or such.

M.

Shoulder pads are still hideous, way oversized even for a miniature.

The breatplates are also pretty ugly.

The whole design actually seems to invalidate its own title, which is Scifi Greatcoat troopers. The breastplate obscures the greatcoat completely, as does the shoulder pads.

So far, these guys are more heavily armored guys with open front skirts.

Those aren't oversized shoulderpads.

*These* are oversized shoulderpads:

VLAD DOES NOT NEED PERIPHERAL VISION! FOR HE HAS A BIG ROCK TO STAND ON! (actually his footing on that ice doesn't look very stable).
I'm happy enough with them. Plastic gas mask wearing greatcoat and armour sporting fellas was exactly what I was looking for. But the bad thing is now I have to start an Imperial Gaurd army...

Kid_Kyoto wrote:As long as we're talking about alternate plastics I'd plug these guys.

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_64&products_id=432

I think these are superior.

I think the body armor looks great. The segmented plates look like lower portions of German WWI body armor. And the segmented style breaks it up so you don't have an unsightly flat plate.

The most recent image KK posted looks...decent. The first two were hideous. I'm not working on an IG army, but it doesn't bode well for how the rest of the sci-fi submissions will turn out.

I have the feeling that the hype has worn off these models, but they've come a long way since the first renders. Every little detail can be criticized, but these are low cost models made with conversions in mind. Greenstuff those shoulder pads, use your modelling bone, slap on a new head and thank Zeus they're cheap.

Between hearing folks hack and hack over new sculpts for Venomthropes, Minotaurs, Costigors, and a host of other well known sins from a well known Big Daddy of Minis, people gut Wargames Factory over their first sci-fi kit. No miniature will ever be "what you wanted". Beyond that, renders and previews are not miniatures.

The answer to those is to make those shoulder pads as optional.

make them as thier own seperate bit.

That glove thing, what is that?

How do these look alongside other models of different game systems?

Not sure why the renders are getting so much hate- its like no one can actually tell that these guys have the well armored vibe of being pre-heresy IG. (Big shoulder pads = design elements taken from the spess marinze cause tehy roxxorz the Emperorz prezenze)

In my eyes they are easilly the equal of the Cadians, and assuming you arnt afraid to use a hobby saw or some green stuff, should be the basis of hugely unique armies at a fraction of the cost that GW would charge you...

wargames factory is doing a bang up job- only time before I roder some stuff from them, I suspect.

Those sure are some nice Camels.

Yes we can only pray that these will have the same high-quality heads, shoulder pads and well-proportioned weapons as this fellow.

I think he's being sarcastic.

/sarcasm