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To be honest it's kind of unfair to "trick" a new player by telling them that the eldar are better. They would probably be better off using SM as a first army.

Meh, I picked Eldar as my first army, and I didn't even think about changing until I had got about 2000 points of them, at which point I bought a Tau battleforce.

The whole "Space Marine Hate" thing seems to stink of Middle Child Syndrome.

Actually, the 'Space Marine Hate Thing' is entirely justified, the space marines have been Games Workshops pet army for a while now, and most of the people at my GC who bought the Black Reach set and then swapped the half they don't want with someone else always raise the Decibel Level by about 20 whenever they come in, which doesn't give them a very good Image.

Dastardly Dave wrote:

The whole "Space Marine Hate" thing seems to stink of Middle Child Syndrome.

Actually, the 'Space Marine Hate Thing' is entirely justified, the space marines have been Games Workshops pet army for a while now, and most of the people at my GC who bought the Black Reach set and then swapped the half they don't want with someone else always raise the Decibel Level by about 20 whenever they come in, which doesn't give them a very good Image.

The behavior of some people at your LGS isn't really something you should apply to everyone that plays a certain army.

Space Marines are GW's flagship army. It would stand to reason that it would have the best support.

They are a very forgiving army to start of with.

Face it. in the AOBR set, who will win out of the two forces? It will be the SM. Time and Time again. It's hardly even a contest with the dreadnought thrown in. The new player picks up on this and instantly jumps to the conclusion the SM are, quite simply, the better army.

I can proudly say that I picked IG as my first army. REAL men FTW.

Emperors Faithful wrote:They are a very forgiving army to start of with.

Face it. in the AOBR set, who will win out of the two forces? It will be the Orks. Time and Time again. It's hardly even a contest with the dreadnought thrown in. The new player picks up on this and instantly jumps to the conclusion the orks are, quite simply, the better army.

I can proudly say that I picked IG as my first army. REAL men FTW.

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RaegMachine wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:They are a very forgiving army to start of with.

Face it. in the AOBR set, who will win out of the two forces? It will be the Orks. Time and Time again. It's hardly even a contest with the dreadnought thrown in. The new player picks up on this and instantly jumps to the conclusion the orks are, quite simply, the better army.

I can proudly say that I picked IG as my first army. REAL men FTW.

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How does a Dreadnought make Orks better? Quite honestly, your fix has puzzled me.

Deff dread

Space Marines are the gateway drug to 40k. If you have a lot of SM players in your area, I’ll bet most of them are new to the game. If it’s any consolation, they will move to another army in a few months. Oddly enough, in my FLGS about half of the new players flocked to Necrons instead of Space Marines. It only took about two months for the majority of SM and Necron players to move on to Nids, Orks and Tau.

We now have a pretty nice mix of players. In the local tournaments, only about 20% of the players are some form of SM.

In my opinion whoever has the newest codex has the best rules like the space wolves and now the tyranids. and i hate it how people play races because they want to win. for example i know a guy who has played CSM the entire time he has played warhammer 40K and then he played against the new codex and got beaten and now plans to collect tyranids. But what im trying to say is the space marines are always getting new codex's (like the blood angels re release coming soon) so people play them because they are easy to use and their rules are much better.

Captain Solon wrote:I've been going to my FLGS alot lately, and I've noticed that EVERYONE
and I mean EVERYONE plays Space marines.

Why is this?

I play space marines because I like land raiders and how cognitive the rules are.

Others thoughts?

When I tried it a friend let me use his DA against Orks. So I got used to SM right off.
When I started playing my brother and I bought the starter box, SM Vs. DE, which didn't bother me. When looking over most of the forces I figured I would just stay with what I know and possibly buy another army later, which I did. Much to my DA friends dismay I ended up with SW because I really liked how unorthodox they are.

I choose Black Templars because i like the look and style of the little plasticmen.
Oh, and no. Choosing Eldar/ Dark Eldar/ Tau/ whatever, doesn't make you more mature/ better than the SM player. So people, keep the nonsensical elitism down and enjoy the hobby. That's what it is all about imo.

Because it is the only faction guaranteed to get updated throughout the life of the current edition. It will also always be the first updated.

They're inexpensive to achieve a sizeable point value, and EXTREMELY forgiving. If a Guard player mishandles his infantry they'll get wiped out instantly; if a Space Marine squad is put in the wrong place at the wrong time, it takes a few undesired casualties.

When I started in 2nd edition, I thought the fluff for orks was really cool. Then I looked at the models and died a little inside. Reading the book, the bit of fluff in the Wargear book about the space marine thinking about his life seemed really interesting- I liked the idea of more than human warriors trying to retain their humanity. Plus I had a bunch of models. So I started playing Space Marines.
When third edition came out I picked up some gorkamorka orks, kommandos and deathskulls, and started my new army. I've been an ork player ever since!
I still like space marines for all the reasons I originally did, and have recently been enjoying painting up some Crimson Fists, and I like their newest codex, but at the same time I get fed up of seeing so many variant chapters when Xenos books are in dire need of some support, and the blatant favourtism when it comes to who gets complete model ranges.
That's a problem with the company having a flagship range more than a problem with Space Marines themselves, who are fairly cool.

KingDeath wrote:

I choose Black Templars because i like the look and style of the little plasticmen.
Oh, and no. Choosing Eldar/ Dark Eldar/ Tau/ whatever, doesn't make you more mature/ better than the SM player. So people, keep the nonsensical elitism down and enjoy the hobby. That's what it is all about imo.

Maybe because you are a german? ( "Eiserne Kreuz") just kidding^^

I like space marines too, as does most of everybody as their look appeals to the little fanboy in us. At the beginning I played SM all the time in DoW, and then moved on to IG. The fate of the nameless infantryman armed only with his faith,lagun and standard issue steel balls appeals more to me than a three meter high killing machine.

But dont forget: its always about the pauldrons even if they impede your vision.

FOR THE EMPRAH!!

Here's a humourous item about the fascination with Space Marines I quite liked today.

http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=codex_not_marine

Howard A Treesong wrote:Here's a humourous item about the fascination with Space Marines I quite liked today.

http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=codex_not_marine

It comes off as elitist and rather anti-new-player, really. This "Space Marines are Broken" sideshow has only come about since their 5th Edition Codex was released, and it generally comes from the same crowd that would vehemently deny that their GodFalcons might have been a little too good, and that they won all those games with their flying circus lists based purely on skill.

Perhaps remembering that we are playing a game with little plastic men in a science-fantasy setting would calm people's emotions a bit.

Monster Rain wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Here's a humourous item about the fascination with Space Marines I quite liked today.

http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=codex_not_marine

It comes off as elitist and rather anti-new-player, really. This "Space Marines are Broken" sideshow has only come about since their 5th Edition Codex was released, and it generally comes from the same crowd that would vehemently deny that their GodFalcons might have been a little too good, and that they won all those games with their flying circus lists based purely on skill.

Perhaps remembering that we are playing a game with little plastic men in a science-fantasy setting would calm people's emotions a bit.

I don't know, I have been irregularly haunting this board since about 2000 and it seems like to me people have always had issues with SM rules...but this thought is only based on my own memory.

I can't speak for this forum, but as far as my own memory goes I had never heard anyone complain about the SM being too good until the last year or so.

They are the Race that GW emphises the most. It would be one reason why people get started with them. They are in all the Starter sets. They have the most fluff for them. I love Dark Angels and their fluff so that is why I choose to play them, as well as Tyrainds.

Why are you asking this? Are you asking out of curiosity or asking because you get annoyed seeing SM all the time?

RaegMachine wrote:Deff dread

There is a Deff Dread in the AOBR set? This is news to me.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

RaegMachine wrote:Deff dread

There is a Deff Dread in the AOBR set? This is news to me.

There were a few rather confused posts back there...

Though I'm not sure that the Space Marines are guaranteed to be the winner in that battle. Those 3 Deffkoptas could disrespect that Dreadnought pretty easily I think, and a Warboss and 20 boyz could easily handle a tactical squad.

They have terminators. I think that (and the captain) could pretty much fend for itself.

Just look at the points balance, some 200 extra pts used on Space Marines. A beginner, after playing a few one-sided battles, is going to assume that Space Marines are better.

20 boyz, on the charge, will have 80 attacks right?

That should kill 3 Terminators if my math is right. The Warboss and the Deffkoptas could handle everything else...

I'm just saying they have a shot, that's all. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. I think that GW doesn't mind selling Ork models either...

My army is Tyranids,I was thinking of SM but the idea of the Alien came to mind,so Bugs for me!

Emperors Faithful wrote:They have terminators. I think that (and the captain) could pretty much fend for itself.

Just look at the points balance, some 200 extra pts used on Space Marines. A beginner, after playing a few one-sided battles, is going to assume that Space Marines are better.

For imbalance of the armies, what about the Space Marine vs. DE box?

20 DE Warriors in 2 squads of 10 with a Sybarite with pistol and CCW and 2 Splinter Cannons (the only Str 4 option in the squads and no weapons that can ignore beakie armor) vs. A Space Marine Tac Squad with flamer and missle launcher...oh yeah, and a LANDSPEEDER! I'm sure there's some theoretical way for the DE to do more then run around screaming like girls while the Marines grunt manfully and bolter them to death - but I haven't figured it out yet.

Macragge was probably the most balanced set I've ever seen as, thanks to their respawning, it actually is possible for the bugs to triumph in the supplied battles.

The warboss is scarier than the Captain, but the marine player should have no real trouble reducing the orks numbers as they come in. That said, you could theoretically win with the orks, but it would be hard.

The main issue, IMHO, is the Termies.

The only real solution is the Warboss. I mean, the Dread can be destroyed if you roll luckily with the 'Koptas, but the Termies can just shoot up the Boyz squads to a pulp.

If the break down in armies is shifted towards any one race.... then the less played races get more experience vs them...they should have less experience vs you...you can more easily shift your armies all comers build to reflect the average break down in opponents..


space marines are very meh to me...

My first army was Chaos marines.

The Evil chaos marines apealed to a 12 year old fps addict.

What can I say.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Just look at the points balance, some 200 extra pts used on Space Marines. A beginner, after playing a few one-sided battles, is going to assume that Space Marines are better.

This is True, I thought Dark Eldar Sucked in 3rd edtion box set since the SM keeped kicking DE butt. Then I stopped playing and didn't get into 40K at the time and didn't know that they were unequalley balanced.